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I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« on: October 02, 2016, 12:21:23 am »
I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin

The debate confirmed that these two candidates can't offer the kind of leadership we need.

The Monday night presidential debate was one more chapter in what I’m calling our third-world election.
A little over six weeks ago, I launched an "https://www.evanmcmullin.com/" because, like so many others, I found the two major-party candidates terribly unsuited to offer the kind of leadership the people of this great nation need. I saw no candidate standing up for the universal ideals that have made this the greatest country on earth. Instead, I saw Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as third-world candidates who will jeopardize the security, prosperity, and even the survival of our republic.
Both Clinton and Trump promote some of the worst instincts in American political life, and they embody the kind of evils that we decry in other nations which lag behind ours in almost every way by decades or more. Doing what they can to avoid scrutiny of their hollow ideas, both candidates hide from the American media and the people, appearing only in carefully controlled settings and with limited interaction. At the debate, Clinton continued to avoid accountability and Trump avoided even basic civility. He presented ideas that were simply wrong, and while she took the attack to him, she proposed the same kind of top-down, central-government “solutions” we’ve seen too many times in the past.
These two candidates have left America with a campaign that produces more heat than light and more discord than unity. The Clinton and Trump candidacies remind me of the third-world politics I witnessed while serving in post-9/11 war zones and in other undercover assignments with the CIA. As a clandestine services officer in the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia, I saw exactly the same kind of pay-for-play politics, the corrupt use of national offices for personal gain, and the complete lack of accountability that is a defining characteristic of Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

With each passing day, we learn of more underhanded, quid-pro-quo stories of the Clinton State Department acting as a one-stop shop for companies and foreign governments seeking to influence American policy through a payoff scheme she controlled. The Clinton Foundation is a uniquely corrupt and corrupting enterprise, unlike anything else in modern political history. It’s not a charity; it’s simply old-fashioned corruption. In my view, the evidence to date should disqualify Clinton from national office.

Against any other candidate than the fragile Trump, Clinton would be nothing more than a poster-child for desperately-needed ethics reform. Only Trump could sustain her campaign, and that’s exactly what he’s beendoing.

Clinton isn’t the only reminder of the third-world politics of this campaign season. After a decade of CIA service, Trump is also a familiar character to me. Blustering, despotic, and fueling racial and ethnic tensions to thrill his followers and intimidate his opponents while empowering himself, Trump’s disdain for America’s character and the values enshrined in our Constitution plays out every day in his attacks on religious minorities, Hispanics, African Americans, the free press, and the rule of law.

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Trump’s adoration of dictatorships and authoritarians was on full display tonight, and flies in the face of every American ideal. He is surrounded by employees of Vladimir Putin, and is openly infatuated with the Russian strongman. His new cabal of advisers would be familiar in the third world; every strongman has a propagandist like Trump’s new campaign CEO, Steve Bannon — a man who happily profits from pushing racial discord, ethnic strife, and overt anti-Semitism.

The debate showed that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are two sides of the same ugly coin. The twin demons of corruption and authoritarianism drive many of the security and economic challenges facing our nation in an increasingly unstable world. I’ve seen the results of both, up close and personal, in places no American would recognize as the kind of country ours should be. It is time for a new generation of American leadership that abandons these destructive ideas and practices, puts the interests of the American people first and unifies our blessed nation.

Americans deserved better at the first debate, and they deserve better in November.

Evan McMullin is an independent candidate for President and former operations officer in the CIA’s National Clandestine Service.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/27/trump-clinton-debate-evan-mcmullin-independent-column/91153066/

I would like to see this guy in the next debate.
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2016, 01:05:19 am »
Only problem is; very little is truly known about Evan McMullin and most importantly it is absolutely 100% impossible for him to win as he has not qualified to be on the ballot in all 50 states. 

Yes, America deserves better than Clinton or Trump. As difficult as it is to comprehend, those are the two that the people picked; a criminal and a narcissistic demagogue.
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2016, 01:38:46 am »
McMullin has ties to Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, his area of 'expertise'.

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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2016, 01:46:31 am »
Only problem is; very little is truly known about Evan McMullin and most importantly it is absolutely 100% impossible for him to win as he has not qualified to be on the ballot in all 50 states. 

Yes, America deserves better than Clinton or Trump. As difficult as it is to comprehend, those are the two that the people picked; a criminal and a narcissistic demagogue.
McMullin has one extremely narrow path to victory:

1. Win Utah.
2. Hope Gary Johnson wins no more than one state with fewer electoral votes than Utah. The best case scenario for McMullin is he wins Utah (6 EV) and Johnson New Mexico (5 EV), taking 11 electoral votes off the map for Clinton and Trump.
3. Hope that neither Clinton nor Trump get 270 electoral votes. This would send the election to the House, where the top 3 Electoral College vote-getters (Clinton, Trump, McMullin under this scenario) would be the House's three choices.
4. Hope that a Republican Congress, cognizant of the danger of a Trump Presidency, loyal to McMullin for his service to the chamber and understanding that his late entry into the race prevented people from having the option of voting for him, unites fully behind him—or at least have few enough Trump votes so that the Democrats can't vote as a bloc for Hillary and take advantage of the split.

Such a one-state victory would be truly unprecedented in American politics.

I get why a guy like McMullin jumped into the race; there is a void. The problem he faces, other than the obvious time constraints for getting in way too late, is that the Neither-Nors such as myself needed desperately to unite behind one candidate to best concentrate our vote into the biggest bloc possible. Before McMullin got into the race, there was enough Neither-Nor united behind Johnson to put the state in play for him; now that 20+% or so is split between the two of them (last I checked McMullin's at 12 and Johnson around 10), which, barring a miracle, does the exact opposite of what McMullin was trying to do—it secures electoral votes FOR Trump.

So now Utahns in the Neither-Nor camp face the need to shift their allegiance to a candidate who can't win in the traditional sense to have a chance to throw a wrench into the election and prevent Trump and Hillary from reaching the White House.
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2016, 03:19:17 am »
McMullin has ties to Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, his area of 'expertise'.

Well up until this post I would have taken you seriously but this is stupid.

Glen Beck interview with Evan McMullin

http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/08/11/part-1-glenn-talks-with-independent-presidential-candidate-evan-mcmullin/
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2016, 03:20:36 am »
McMullin has one extremely narrow path to victory:

1. Win Utah.
2. Hope Gary Johnson wins no more than one state with fewer electoral votes than Utah. The best case scenario for McMullin is he wins Utah (6 EV) and Johnson New Mexico (5 EV), taking 11 electoral votes off the map for Clinton and Trump.
3. Hope that neither Clinton nor Trump get 270 electoral votes. This would send the election to the House, where the top 3 Electoral College vote-getters (Clinton, Trump, McMullin under this scenario) would be the House's three choices.
4. Hope that a Republican Congress, cognizant of the danger of a Trump Presidency, loyal to McMullin for his service to the chamber and understanding that his late entry into the race prevented people from having the option of voting for him, unites fully behind him—or at least have few enough Trump votes so that the Democrats can't vote as a bloc for Hillary and take advantage of the split.

Such a one-state victory would be truly unprecedented in American politics.

I get why a guy like McMullin jumped into the race; there is a void. The problem he faces, other than the obvious time constraints for getting in way too late, is that the Neither-Nors such as myself needed desperately to unite behind one candidate to best concentrate our vote into the biggest bloc possible. Before McMullin got into the race, there was enough Neither-Nor united behind Johnson to put the state in play for him; now that 20+% or so is split between the two of them (last I checked McMullin's at 12 and Johnson around 10), which, barring a miracle, does the exact opposite of what McMullin was trying to do—it secures electoral votes FOR Trump.

So now Utahns in the Neither-Nor camp face the need to shift their allegiance to a candidate who can't win in the traditional sense to have a chance to throw a wrench into the election and prevent Trump and Hillary from reaching the White House.

Good information.  I think as long as he is registered for write in on a ballot the vote counts right?
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2016, 03:26:19 am »
I heard this guy on radio a couple times. He couldn't save money with a coupon he is so lackluster.

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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2016, 04:35:19 am »
I heard this guy on radio a couple times. He couldn't save money with a coupon he is so lackluster.

What did he say?  For me it is either Castle or McMullin.  The other two I couldn't be paid to vote for.
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 07:10:46 am »
I heard this guy on radio a couple times. He couldn't save money with a coupon he is so lackluster.

I'd rather have a guy who lacks luster than a gilt clown.
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 04:16:12 pm »
@Chosen Daughter

Just so we're clear...McMullin's area of expertise is counter terrorism, he spent a dozen years in the CIA, and he most recently was one of the people directing logistics, operations support, funding, and weapons to Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda extremists under the guise they are "moderate" islamist rebels.

The most recent development in the ongoing effort McMullin helped direct are the transfer of shoulder mounted missile launchers (ManPads), most likely transferred from Libya, to these extremists. Where these weapons capable of bringing down commercial aircraft wind up is anyone's guess.

McMullin and his cohorts should be behind bars for treason alongside his good friend Sec. Clinton, not running as a sanctioned Plan Z candidate in a desperate attempt to thwart the will of 'we the people'.


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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2016, 03:51:38 pm »
Good information.  I think as long as he is registered for write in on a ballot the vote counts right?
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2016, 04:54:26 pm »
I heard this guy on radio a couple times. He couldn't save money with a coupon he is so lackluster.

McMullin was dead to me when I learned that Rick Wilson is a prominent advisor to his campaign.
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2016, 05:24:05 pm »
Only problem is; very little is truly known about Evan McMullin and most importantly it is absolutely 100% impossible for him to win as he has not qualified to be on the ballot in all 50 states. 

Yes, America deserves better than Clinton or Trump. As difficult as it is to comprehend, those are the two that the people picked; a criminal and a narcissistic demagogue.

A lot of people don't understand the electoral college (don't take offense to that, nothing personal).  A candidate does not need to be on the ballots in all 50 states to be competitive.

All the third parties need to do is keep the two major party candidates from reaching 270 EVs.

If no candidate reaches 270 electoral votes, the race is decided by the House of Representatives for president and Senate for VP. The House makes their choice based on the top 3 EV winners (in contention). But it gets even more interesting if the House fails to come to a unanimous decision, then the President is the VP selected by Senate..

Considering how closely divided this country is, that could be easy.  Remember Bush v Gore; Bush won, 271 to 266 electoral votes. Only two EV's shifting to a (or multiple) third party candidates could have meant that neither major party candidate would win outright, it would go to the House.  In the Bush v Gore case, a third party only getting on the ballot in ONE state could have theoretically made them competitive. (direct example, if Trump and Hillary split as closely as Bush v Gore, BUT Gary Johnson wins Utah (he is within the margin of error for the lead there), that would prevent Trump or Hillary from getting the 270 EVs).


This is like a big red reset button.

This is also not unheard of. This has happened twice before in our history, so out of 44 presidents, those aren't bad odds. Especially in a  year like this.

So no, a third party vote is not a wasted vote.


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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2016, 05:35:25 pm »
So no, a third party vote is not a wasted vote.
When the third party candidates - all of them - pretty much are morons, yeah, it is. This may be the one true "none of the above" election in history.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2016, 08:49:25 pm »
A lot of people don't understand the electoral college (don't take offense to that, nothing personal).  A candidate does not need to be on the ballots in all 50 states to be competitive.

All the third parties need to do is keep the two major party candidates from reaching 270 EVs.

If no candidate reaches 270 electoral votes, the race is decided by the House of Representatives for president and Senate for VP. The House makes their choice based on the top 3 EV winners (in contention). But it gets even more interesting if the House fails to come to a unanimous decision, then the President is the VP selected by Senate..

Considering how closely divided this country is, that could be easy.  Remember Bush v Gore; Bush won, 271 to 266 electoral votes. Only two EV's shifting to a (or multiple) third party candidates could have meant that neither major party candidate would win outright, it would go to the House.  In the Bush v Gore case, a third party only getting on the ballot in ONE state could have theoretically made them competitive. (direct example, if Trump and Hillary split as closely as Bush v Gore, BUT Gary Johnson wins Utah (he is within the margin of error for the lead there), that would prevent Trump or Hillary from getting the 270 EVs).


This is like a big red reset button.

This is also not unheard of. This has happened twice before in our history, so out of 44 presidents, those aren't bad odds. Especially in a  year like this.

So no, a third party vote is not a wasted vote.

More than that even.  If the presidential race is thrown to the House, the vote there is by states, with each state having one vote, decided by the majority of the state delegation.
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2016, 09:16:33 pm »
Hey if this guy doesn't work out I have an old tarp sitting in my backyard that can run too! Oh and save us from Trump/Clinton!

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Hey if this guy doesn't work out I have an old tarp sitting in my backyard that can run too! Oh and save us from Trump/Clinton!
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2016, 10:17:51 pm »
But it gets even more interesting if the House fails to come to a unanimous decision, then the President is the VP selected by Senate.

Huh?
No "unanimous" about it...it's just if they don't decide by inauguration day.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2016, 10:22:46 pm »
Good information.  I think as long as he is registered for write in on a ballot the vote counts right?

Yes.  If he registered and 'qualified' as a write-on on the ballot in a particular state the vote would be counted.  However, he missed most of the deadlines.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2016, 10:29:38 pm »
When the third party candidates - all of them - pretty much are morons, yeah, it is. This may be the one true "none of the above" election in history.

Don't forget to vote for all the down ticket offices, though.
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2016, 01:05:43 am »
@Chosen Daughter

Just so we're clear...McMullin's area of expertise is counter terrorism, he spent a dozen years in the CIA, and he most recently was one of the people directing logistics, operations support, funding, and weapons to Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda extremists under the guise they are "moderate" islamist rebels.

The most recent development in the ongoing effort McMullin helped direct are the transfer of shoulder mounted missile launchers (ManPads), most likely transferred from Libya, to these extremists. Where these weapons capable of bringing down commercial aircraft wind up is anyone's guess.

McMullin and his cohorts should be behind bars for treason alongside his good friend Sec. Clinton, not running as a sanctioned Plan Z candidate in a desperate attempt to thwart the will of 'we the people'.


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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2016, 01:26:37 am »
I see he's qualified up here in Montana as a write-in.

The absentee ballots go out in a week and I'll be writing him in. I had considered Johnson, as he is actually on the ballot, but he is just to liberal for me. Voting for McMullin actually gives me an opportunity to vote FOR a candidate this election cycle and I'm going to take it...
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Re: I’ll save you from Trump and Clinton: Evan McMullin
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2016, 01:28:27 am »
@Chosen Daughter

Just so we're clear...McMullin's area of expertise is counter terrorism, he spent a dozen years in the CIA, and he most recently was one of the people directing logistics, operations support, funding, and weapons to Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda extremists under the guise they are "moderate" islamist rebels.

The most recent development in the ongoing effort McMullin helped direct are the transfer of shoulder mounted missile launchers (ManPads), most likely transferred from Libya, to these extremists. Where these weapons capable of bringing down commercial aircraft wind up is anyone's guess.

McMullin and his cohorts should be behind bars for treason alongside his good friend Sec. Clinton, not running as a sanctioned Plan Z candidate in a desperate attempt to thwart the will of 'we the people'.

Where did you get this?  From StormFront? 

Back this up or shut the hell up.
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