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By Steve Berman  |  September 26, 2016, 05:37pm  |  @stevengberman

Ted Cruz endorsed Donald Trump, after calling on Republicans to “vote your conscience” while Trump and his family looked on in Cleveland. Cruz gave two reasons: (1) “I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word.” (2) “Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable.”

As Erick and others have noted, nothing has changed between mid-July and now. Trump is still Trump–a lying, amoral, sociopathic archetype. Clinton is still Clinton–wholly unacceptable, as Cruz wrote. Only Cruz’s mind has changed, and that can’t be attributed to any new facts emerging.

Cruz cited key policy differences between Trump and Clinton, as if Clinton’s policies need to be juxtaposed in this manner. Cruz wrote “If Clinton wins, we know — with 100% certainty — that she would deliver on her left-wing promises, with devastating results for our country.” But nowhere did Cruz write that Trump would deliver on any of his promises.

Based on Cruz’s prior comments, we know that he believed:
•Trump is a pathological liar;
•Trump is a narcissist;
•Trump is utterly amoral;
•Trump is a bully;
•Trump cynically exploits anger.


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http://theresurgent.com/the-moral-case-for-breaking-your-word/



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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 09:55:25 pm »
He was either given an offer he could not refuse….

.. or calculated the bandwagon decision in the hopes of forwarding his political career.

Either way - he lost my trust, and perhaps he truly was the slimy political opportunist others have said he was all along.
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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 10:00:18 pm »
   Actually, @RAT Patrol,  Trumpsters will NEVER Acknowledge 'THAT' fact or that it was INDEED Trump who ran the dirty, Democrat 'like' Campaign.   

   But everyone will tune in tonight like we all rubberneck on the highways at wrecks or go to his rally's. 

   It's a SAD State for our Country to be in, though NOT unexpected.


    Our culture has been invaded by Reality TV.



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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 10:01:39 pm »
I can't stand to watch or hear either New York liberal.

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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 10:11:27 pm »

Reince Priebus said today on Hannity for those GOP candidates who continue to withhold their endorsement of Donald Trump that there could be a political price to pay should they seek the presidency in 4 or 8 years...coming to the RNC for assistance in their campaigns.

After all, he continued, what should a party do if a candidate breaks the rules of the party by not honoring their pledge. There must be some consequence.

He also noted that North Carolina has a rule for its state primary that in order to be considered to be on the ballot a candidate MUST pledge to support the eventual nominee.

So it's not as cut and dried as people might think.

Seems to me Kasich is being a dick, and stupid one at that. The withholding of Kasich's pledge has virtually no impact on the nominee but it could impact Kasich's future.

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 10:15:44 pm »
Trump had no intention of supporting the nominee if it wasn't himself. He said so, he pulled out of the oath on March 29.

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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 10:18:30 pm »
Whatever Ted Cruz's motives or valid reasons for endorsing Trump -- they will not affect my decision in November.  Cruz made his choice and come November, I'll make mine.  And that choice won't be either the human traffic cone or the hildebeast.   

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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 10:18:36 pm »
He was either given an offer he could not refuse….

.. or calculated the bandwagon decision in the hopes of forwarding his political career.

Either way - he lost my trust, and perhaps he truly was the slimy political opportunist others have said he was all along.

Yes, that exactly sums up how I feel about it. Right now, I'm doubting that I will vote for Ted Cruz for any office in the future, including his 2018 Senate reelection. Something might happen in the next two years to change my mind... but it would have to be a big "something", I think.
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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 10:19:54 pm »
   
Reince Priebus said today on Hannity for those GOP candidates who continue to withhold their endorsement of Donald Trump that there could be a political price to pay should they seek the presidency in 4 or 8 years...coming to the RNC for assistance in their campaigns.

After all, he continued, what should a party do if a candidate breaks the rules of the party by not honoring their pledge. There must be some consequence.

He also noted that North Carolina has a rule for its state primary that in order to be considered to be on the ballot a candidate MUST pledge to support the eventual nominee.

So it's not as cut and dried as people might think.

Seems to me Kasich is being a dick, and stupid one at that. The withholding of Kasich's pledge has virtually no impact on the nominee but it could impact Kasich's future.



   Cruz was elected in Texas in 2012 with the full force of the GOP Machine against him.  In spite of your wet dream wishes - He will again. 

   It really is interesting that the guy that gave us Romney in 2012 is a hero of your's now. 

   Good Luck with that Weasel.
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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 10:20:51 pm »
I can't stand to watch or hear either New York liberal.

Nor can I. My heart is sick.
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 10:32:36 pm »
I saw a quote, I forgot who it was attributed to:

"When you dance with the devil, you don't change the devil, the devil changes you!"

That is a good description of the Trump crap.

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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 10:36:33 pm »
Reince Priebus said today on Hannity for those GOP candidates who continue to withhold their endorsement of Donald Trump that there could be a political price to pay should they seek the presidency in 4 or 8 years...coming to the RNC for assistance in their campaigns.


Yeah, we know.  That is how a corrupt oligarchy operates.

Which is why your party is irrelevant as far as Constitutional Conservatism goes.

The GOP is just another arm of the Liberal Statist Uniparty of DC.
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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 10:48:11 pm »
Reince Priebus said today on Hannity for those GOP candidates who continue to withhold their endorsement of Donald Trump that there could be a political price to pay should they seek the presidency in 4 or 8 years...coming to the RNC for assistance in their campaigns.

After all, he continued, what should a party do if a candidate breaks the rules of the party by not honoring their pledge. There must be some consequence.

He also noted that North Carolina has a rule for its state primary that in order to be considered to be on the ballot a candidate MUST pledge to support the eventual nominee.

So it's not as cut and dried as people might think.

Seems to me Kasich is being a dick, and stupid one at that. The withholding of Kasich's pledge has virtually no impact on the nominee but it could impact Kasich's future.

Since Priebus won't be around after January, his threats are worthless.

As for Kasich, you actually think anybody gives a damn about some pledge to support a clown?  Kasich's future is not dependent on some little snot like Priebus.
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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 12:24:20 am »


Ted did not so much as endorse trump as he dis-endorsed Hillary.

That is pretty much where I am too.  I will not defend trump.. he is a nasty work, but I will vote my conscience.
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Re: The Moral Case For Breaking Your Word (Resurgent- Cleanup on Aisle 5)
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 01:29:21 am »
He was either given an offer he could not refuse….

.. or calculated the bandwagon decision in the hopes of forwarding his political career.

Priebus brought down the hammer.  Word has been sent out that anyone not getting on board the Trump Train will be crushed.  After the Convention rules vote, the establishment GOP leaders wield more power than ever, thanks to Trump.

This doesn't excuse what Cruz did, but it does show why he did what he did.
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 01:32:23 am »
Since Priebus won't be around after January, his threats are worthless.

Think again.  Thanks to Trump, the GOPe is now more entrenched than ever.
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