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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1375 on: October 07, 2016, 04:05:39 pm »
If the 2nd is anyones hope, they may as well pack it in now. A nation filled with 'patriots' that cant stand anonymously in a voting booth and cast a vote for anyone but a liberal isn't going to do anything but cower in a corner when boots hit the ground.

If the 2nd is anyones hope, they may as well pack it in now.


I ain't taking it in the ass.

That's why we have the Ted Cruz's of the world. heh heh heh
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1376 on: October 07, 2016, 04:06:47 pm »
If the 2nd is anyones hope, they may as well pack it in now.


I ain't taking it in the ass.

That's why we have the Ted Cruz's of the world. heh heh heh

Indeed.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1377 on: October 07, 2016, 04:09:10 pm »
We are in the place we are because people refused to call a spade a spade and the liberals just kept pushing their lies to everyone. There is no functional difference between not calling a liberal a liberal because other liberals will throw themselves on the floor in a screaming fit here and conservatives not being allowed to speak in venues across the country because liberals might throw themselves on the floor in a screaming fit. Is there? And That hasn't seemed to work out well for America.

Besides, isn't shutting down dissent just what Jim Robinson did because the liberals there were OFFENDED when being called what they were? THEY didn't want to face the truth of their actions either.

Funny. It's the same people bitching in both places. So I guess conservatism loses ANOTHER forum to placate liberalism.

I see your point and it is valid nationally.  Come to think of it, if Bush had only fought back against all of the lib leftist lies ....things might have turned out very differently.  He just didn't have it (Reaganesque) in him to go to the American public and make his case against the 24/7 onslaught of lies and propaganda.

Here, on the Briefing Room forum, it is different.  It's us vs. them via opinions.....and in my humble opinion.....they are bordering on insanity with their constant barrage of insults and emotional displays of hatred against anyone they disagree with.  But here, on this forum, both sides of that disagreement are being allowed to continue....unlike at TOS.   

Yes, Jim shut down all dissent by zotting anyone he disagreed with (or that disagreed with him).   But that is NOT happening here, so ..... I posit that we ....instead of bothering to rebut the insanity....sit back, munch our popcorn, swig our Corona and laugh and point (a lot) at the spoiled brats that can't handle the fact that they are not getting their way HERE.  JS....
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1378 on: October 07, 2016, 04:14:25 pm »
I think we are.  We're in that slo-mo Coyote falling off the edge of the cliff and right before he starts windmilling trying to get back onto the cliff.  The momentum is against us. 

We were almost there by 2008, and 0 and his handlers have led us off the cliff. 



You may very well be right.  But if you are, then there's no point in voting anyway.  The only way voting matters is if you're wrong, so for purposes of the election, I have to assume that we're not yet over the cliff.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1379 on: October 07, 2016, 04:21:50 pm »
I see your point and it is valid nationally.  Come to think of it, if Bush had only fought back against all of the lib leftist lies ....things might have turned out very differently.  He just didn't have it (Reaganesque) in him to go to the American public and make his case against the 24/7 onslaught of lies and propaganda.

Here, on the Briefing Room forum, it is different.  It's us vs. them via opinions.....and in my humble opinion.....they are bordering on insanity with their constant barrage of insults and emotional displays of hatred against anyone they disagree with.  But here, on this forum, both sides of that disagreement are being allowed to continue....unlike at TOS.   

Yes, Jim shut down all dissent by zotting anyone he disagreed with (or that disagreed with him).   But that is NOT happening here, so ..... I posit that we ....instead of bothering to rebut the insanity....sit back, munch our popcorn, swig our Corona and laugh and point (a lot) at the spoiled brats that can't handle the fact that they are not getting their way HERE.  JS....

If a truth is a truth, it's valid everywhere.

Does it make a difference if someone is zotted or just forbidden to speak the truth? Really? Does it? The truth is still off limits on that forum. Well, 'certain' truths'. Truths that cause headaches for management/moderation HERE because they (management here) are then stuck having to listen to screaming liberals. About 10 or so by my count.

I don't blame them for whishig it all away. But it never goes away does it. No matter how ofte they were told to stop lying about hilary supporter BS, they waited a day and started up again. Thats liberal behavior as well.

And you want more of that? Because thats what has happened so far. They keep it up regardless of what owner or mod tells them, repeatedly to knock it off. Then when they don't and WE bitch, threads either get locked, or everyone is told to 'calm down'.

Truth is truth. If someone wants the truth put off limits, thats fine. They should just say it and be done with it. There are other forums.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1380 on: October 07, 2016, 04:35:04 pm »
I made that comment to @INVAR, and his position seems to be somewhat different from yours.  He argues that we already have gone over the edge.  If that is true, then a nascent, startup conservative third party will have zero chance of ever becoming anything in that environment.  He essentially envisions a total collapse, and whatever conventional political parties exist now won't even be around when/if we merge from the other side.

You -- I assume -- envision a post Hillary 2020 or 2024 as something that still would be sufficiently democratic to permit a staunch conservative party to exist and thrive.  While I personally don't agree with that, it at least presents a practical rationale for voting third party right now.
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I am counting on the GOP, if they want to have any power when the dust settles, either fighting against Hillary and leaving enough of a remnant of the Republic for elections, or just moving their collective tent over into the Democrat Camp.

If the latter, that will vacate the Constitutionalist (and former "Conservative", although the term will be completely meaningless) and Religious Right Landscape, a void which a Third Party could fill.

Whether that would be enough to have any political stroke, I don't know, but I have little doubt there will be buyers remorse if Trump is elected, and resistance to Cankles, at least from the electorate. If either try another "assault weapons" ban, I expect serious civil disobedience.

I can't help but notice the Constitution Party gets short shrift from the media, with the Greens (extreme Left) and the Libertarians (a bit of a muddle imho, but not totalitarian) getting all the Third Party press. While the Constitution Party is fifth in the party lineup, the party isn't brand new, the platform has been established, and it is enough of a threat that there have been some interesting claims made about the party, in particular by a libertarian writer. Those claims are false, and present Darrell Castle as a "9/11 troofer" (he wants the 28 pages of the 9/11 report on Saudi involvement released so we get the full story), as a "Holy Roller" (nope, though he is a churchgoer), "ambulance chaser" (He is a personal injury attorney, but there are valid personal injury cases.), and "birther" (just no).
 
I guess there is more than one team out there playing by Alinsky Rules, and the dominant third party to come out of this election could do well enough to get on the debate and funding radar, so the Libertarians are trying hard to be king of that hill. That means the scrum for third party votes is especially competitive this time around.

Yes, all of the above postulates that enough of America as we knew it will survive the first four years, whoever gets elected, and maybe even eight. A lot of the 'fundamental transforming' has been done, and people already have lowered expectations. When lawlessness becomes a matter of officially sanctioned cronyism, the Rule of Law is on life support, and the Constitution is too.

If it is all over but the formalities and post-game follies, well, at least the effort will have been made, and at some point those of us who are able move on to the last 'box', the ballot box, soapbox, etc. having failed. If that is the case, better have some dirt to plant in, some food in the pantry, a way to cook, and some tangible assets you can trade, all off the books, (and some 'real money') . Perhaps we can consolidate surviving States into viable trade units and go on from there, perhaps not. One thing is certain, though, neither path is going to resemble the America of my childhood, perhaps ever again.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1381 on: October 07, 2016, 04:38:15 pm »
No. It's perfectly fine to speak the truth. Is there truth in calling a conservative a Hillary Supporter? No.

Is there truth in calling someone empowering liberalism and liberals a liberal? Yes.

So your problem doesn't seem to be with me. Let me see if "I" have this right...Your problem is with the truth.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1382 on: October 07, 2016, 04:39:02 pm »
I made that comment to @INVAR, and his position seems to be somewhat different from yours.  He argues that we already have gone over the edge.

A nation that refuses to repent and doubles down on the very ideas anathema to our foundations because they believe them to be 'different' has indeed gone over the edge.  We have not even suffered the full consequences of the last 8 years yet.  But those are coming.

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We have already surrendered our share in the legislature by continuing to vote for and support those lesser evils who have refused to defend the Limitations upon the Government and refusing to resist every Encroachment upon our rights and upon the Constitution itself.

History teaches very clearly what happens to former republics that have arrived where we are today.  The thinking that it cannot happen here, or that it is not near to the door, will prove fatal to those who hold that view.

If that is true, then a nascent, startup conservative third party will have zero chance of ever becoming anything in that environment.  He essentially envisions a total collapse, and whatever conventional political parties exist now won't even be around when/if we merge from the other side.

Civil means to restrain lawless tyrants and tyranny has zero chance of success.  ZERO.  I'm not infected with Normalcy Bias.  Human nature is what it is and history teaches where it always goes.

I envision a need to create a faction, group, Congress of actual Conservatives untouched by the poison at Mordor on the Potomac if for nothing more - to encourage and support our ideology and faith in local matters, and to endure to the end.   Maybe - if Providence would permit, our posterity might rebuild a society with liberty from a blueprint we leave it. 
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1383 on: October 07, 2016, 04:43:03 pm »
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If that is the case, better have some dirt to plant in, some food in the pantry, a way to cook, and some tangible assets you can trade, all off the books, (and some 'real money') .

That is my childhood. I never growed up. Dammit.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1384 on: October 07, 2016, 04:44:20 pm »
If a truth is a truth, it's valid everywhere.

Does it make a difference if someone is zotted or just forbidden to speak the truth? Really? Does it? The truth is still off limits on that forum. Well, 'certain' truths'. Truths that cause headaches for management/moderation HERE because they (management here) are then stuck having to listen to screaming liberals. About 10 or so by my count.

I don't blame them for whishig it all away. But it never goes away does it. No matter how ofte they were told to stop lying about hilary supporter BS, they waited a day and started up again. Thats liberal behavior as well.

And you want more of that? Because thats what has happened so far. They keep it up regardless of what owner or mod tells them, repeatedly to knock it off. Then when they don't and WE bitch, threads either get locked, or everyone is told to 'calm down'.

Truth is truth. If someone wants the truth put off limits, thats fine. They should just say it and be done with it. There are other forums.

I tend to have a more "what the hell" attitude about forum drama these days.  Wasn't always that way.  I used to take things quite seriously.  Looking back, I realize how silly I was.  But that was then, this is now. 

If you've ever been a moderator you would give them more credit here than what they're getting.  It's a no-win, no glory, thankless job they've volunteered to undertake.   They're doing a splendid job thus far, considering the passions that are always displayed in any election year.  And yeah, there are other forums out there.  But I challenge you to find one that is better or where you will get better treatment (ie being allowed to voice YOUR opinions on Trump), as an anti-Trump poster, anywhere.

 
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1385 on: October 07, 2016, 04:48:04 pm »
@ Maj. Bill Martin

I am counting on the GOP, if they want to have any power when the dust settles, either fighting against Hillary and leaving enough of a remnant of the Republic for elections, or just moving their collective tent over into the Democrat Camp.

If the latter, that will vacate the Constitutionalist (and former "Conservative", although the term will be completely meaningless) and Religious Right Landscape, a void which a Third Party could fill.

Fair enough.  But there haven't been any successful third party movements since the advent of the primary system.  That is true even though the opportunity for a third party has been presented during periods when both parties have re-invented major portions of their platforms during the last 100 years, and left a "gap". 

What percentage of the electorate do you think is willing to abandon the GOP and Democrat parties, and support a more hardline conservative party?


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1386 on: October 07, 2016, 04:50:35 pm »
What was that song by ACDC?  oh yeah...Big Balls

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 Know when to show them
 Know when to walk away
 And know where to run..."
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1387 on: October 07, 2016, 04:52:12 pm »
Fair enough.  But there haven't been any successful third party movements since the advent of the primary system.  That is true even though the opportunity for a third party has been presented during periods when both parties have re-invented major portions of their platforms during the last 100 years, and left a "gap". 

What percentage of the electorate do you think is willing to abandon the GOP and Democrat parties, and support a more hardline conservative party?

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1388 on: October 07, 2016, 04:55:28 pm »
Whatever you say, Norm.  Drop us a link when you get your own forum and can enforce that, OK?

Well if you van tell me where I'm wrong, then by all means, please do. If I'm not, I don't see what the problem is.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1389 on: October 07, 2016, 04:55:35 pm »
@Smokin Joe

That is my childhood. I never growed up. Dammit.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1390 on: October 07, 2016, 04:57:52 pm »
Then the line is a farce. Because a person that votes/empowers a liberal is not anything other than a liberal.

What is your definition of a "liberal"?

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1391 on: October 07, 2016, 04:58:21 pm »
I tend to have a more "what the hell" attitude about forum drama these days.  Wasn't always that way.  I used to take things quite seriously.  Looking back, I realize how silly I was.  But that was then, this is now. 

If you've ever been a moderator you would give them more credit here than what they're getting.  It's a no-win, no glory, thankless job they've volunteered to undertake.   They're doing a splendid job thus far, considering the passions that are always displayed in any election year.  And yeah, there are other forums out there.  But I challenge you to find one that is better or where you will get better treatment (ie being allowed to voice YOUR opinions on Trump), as an anti-Trump poster, anywhere.

They can run it any way they like. I have no issue with that at all. Just be up front about it and tell us to STFU. Now I don't think thats what they want to do. But if we can't call a spade a spade, thats the end result. Because the libs arent stopping.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1392 on: October 07, 2016, 04:59:30 pm »
What is your definition of a "liberal"?

Not getting into this with you again. All you did last time was talk in circles and make excuses.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1393 on: October 07, 2016, 05:02:55 pm »
Yes, Jim shut down all dissent by zotting anyone he disagreed with (or that disagreed with him).   But that is NOT happening here, so ..... I posit that we ....instead of bothering to rebut the insanity....sit back, munch our popcorn, swig our Corona and laugh and point (a lot) at the spoiled brats that can't handle the fact that they are not getting their way HERE.  JS....

That is exactly what the nation did with the liberal spoiled brats back in the 60's and 70's.

Look around today - this is what you get when you ignore spoiled brats with an attitude.

I've watched formerly Conservative Christian forums adopt that exact policy of just sitting back and letting the 'children' throw their tantrums while we laugh at them.

The results… not pretty.

Those forums are now largely hedonistic/Leftist cesspools, having run off everyone whom made those places what they were.  The denizens now are groupthink trolls that plot from their new safespace and work to do the same to other boards and often plot attacks on one forum that they visit like a pack of wolves on whatever target they have selected at another board.

Sometimes, putting an end to the tantrum is the correct course of action.  I've never seen a kid who is allowed to throw a fit in the toy aisle of Walmart, learn to behave themselves.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1394 on: October 07, 2016, 05:08:56 pm »
Lol......here's the GOP & Co. now supporting Trump.....



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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1395 on: October 07, 2016, 05:13:01 pm »
That is exactly what the nation did with the liberal spoiled brats back in the 60's and 70's.

Look around today - this is what you get when you ignore spoiled brats with an attitude.

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Sometimes, putting an end to the tantrum is the correct course of action.  I've never seen a kid who is allowed to throw a fit in the toy aisle of Walmart, learn to behave themselves.

Itsalso what led to black Lives Matter, special snowflakes getting actual conservatives banned from speaking engagements and about a thousand other things. Because people didn't want to deal with them when they got started. And so they grew. And Grew. Now there is nowhere conservatives can go in public without an army of liberals shouting them down, getting them swatted, making sure they are unemployable...

And no one is responsible because they are too busy kicking the can and hoping that we all can just magically get along. We can't. Why? Because conservatives arent OK with being lied about.

But for some, dealing with that is just too hard. Someone might take offense.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1396 on: October 07, 2016, 05:13:14 pm »
That is exactly what the nation did with the liberal spoiled brats back in the 60's and 70's.

Look around today - this is what you get when you ignore spoiled brats with an attitude.

I've watched formerly Conservative Christian forums adopt that exact policy of just sitting back and letting the 'children' throw their tantrums while we laugh at them.

The results… not pretty.

Those forums are now largely hedonistic/Leftist cesspools, having run off everyone whom made those places what they were.  The denizens now are groupthink trolls that plot from their new safespace and work to do the same to other boards and often plot attacks on one forum that they visit like a pack of wolves on whatever target they have selected at another board.

Sometimes, putting an end to the tantrum is the correct course of action.  I've never seen a kid who is allowed to throw a fit in the toy aisle of Walmart, learn to behave themselves.

I won't be one to sit around, swigging my Shiner (or Spatlese) while uninformed miscreants spout untruths, historically inaccurate statements, illogical arguments, or violations of Godwin's Law. Such individuals deserve a prompt reaction, if only to keep this site from descending into the same Echo Chamber that has become TOS.

And that goes double for the most hardened Trump supporters!    :tongue2:  ****slapping  :silly:
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1397 on: October 07, 2016, 05:14:01 pm »
I give mine. Even if it is another one's words. I'll take their words for it.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1398 on: October 07, 2016, 05:15:02 pm »
I won't be one to sit around, swigging my Shiner (or Spatlese) while uninformed miscreants spout untruths, historically inaccurate statements, illogical arguments, or violations of Godwin's Law. Such individuals deserve a prompt reaction, if only to keep this site from descending into the same Echo Chamber that has become TOS.

And that goes double for the most hardened Trump supporters!    :tongue2:  ****slapping  :silly:


Exactly. Absofreakinglutely 100% dead on.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1399 on: October 07, 2016, 05:18:39 pm »
That is exactly what the nation did with the liberal spoiled brats back in the 60's and 70's.

Look around today - this is what you get when you ignore spoiled brats with an attitude.

I've watched formerly Conservative Christian forums adopt that exact policy of just sitting back and letting the 'children' throw their tantrums while we laugh at them.

The results… not pretty.

Those forums are now largely hedonistic/Leftist cesspools, having run off everyone whom made those places what they were.  The denizens now are groupthink trolls that plot from their new safespace and work to do the same to other boards and often plot attacks on one forum that they visit like a pack of wolves on whatever target they have selected at another board.

Sometimes, putting an end to the tantrum is the correct course of action.  I've never seen a kid who is allowed to throw a fit in the toy aisle of Walmart, learn to behave themselves.

That's because parents, who have sole control over that kid, refuse to use the control they have over their bratty kids.  When I was five, and started acting up in public (while shopping), my mother knew how to deal with me.  She threatened to pull my pants down IN PUBLIC and spank me in front of God and everybody.  Worked every time.  Of course....now and today.... the mere threat of physical punishment could get her a visit from Child Services.  Hence, the destruction from creeping Liberalism.

What's the solution?  Perhaps there is none.   I remember a leftie troll that we righties used to ridicule...that used to say "In the end, Liberalism always wins".  I'm starting to see that he was correct after all.
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