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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1300 on: October 05, 2016, 08:48:23 pm »
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/25/before-the-brexit-donald-trump-was-a-transnationalist-who-wanted-to-leave-borders-behind/

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I shore hope trump isn't into transgenderism. No way way way do I want to see those big saggy (w)alls in a bra.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1301 on: October 05, 2016, 08:56:28 pm »
Careful @HoustonSam, you're liable to start some 3:00 a.m. twitter rant, 5 days from now, about some beauty pageant contestant.
They may tell us to watch porn.

Dang, sometimes his supporters make this so easy!

Some of the pro-Trump crowd seem to believe in a "conservation of conceptual error" principle.  If the total amount of conceptual error in the universe is constant, and they can get more people to join them in their conceptual error, then each of them bears proportionally less accountability for its consequences.

I can't figure any other rationale for their approach, because "The Trump Train" has been a trainwreck of a candidacy so far, yet they still insist that we should board the train, as if by our doing so the trainwreck will suddenly be repaired.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1302 on: October 05, 2016, 09:00:45 pm »
Some of the pro-Trump crowd seem to believe in a "conservation of conceptual error" principle.  If the total amount of conceptual error in the universe is constant, and they can get more people to join them in their conceptual error, then each of them bears proportionally less accountability for its consequences.

I can't figure any other rationale for their approach, because "The Trump Train" has been a trainwreck of a candidacy so far, yet they still insist that we should board the train, as if by our doing so the trainwreck will suddenly be repaired.

Meh. Misery loves company. Work was a bust so I came home. Looking this situation over leaves me no other option. I'm going fishing. seeyaluvyabye
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1303 on: October 05, 2016, 09:28:25 pm »
I think it *could* happen here; we aren't genetically distinct from the Germans of the inter-war period.  Like you, I used to wonder *how* that could have happened, but then I saw the Democrat party fall into lock-step behind Clinton regardless of what he had done, and I saw the hero-worship afforded to Obama regardless of his clear lack of qualification, and I see the same now offered to Trump in spite of the many qualities, statements, and actions which should disqualify him.  And all three instances are characterized by appeal to fear and envy, and by scapegoating others and creating enemies.  American politics are clearly breaking down, or perhaps *have broken down*, into recrimination rather than competing ideas about governance, and I think it does sow the seeds for the kind of future you are describing.

It was the *fear* of the Communists and what horrors they would do to the people in the midst of the privation during the Weimar years that brought Hitler and his goons to power.

Out of fear of one form of Leftist, the population was led to the Nationalist Socialist Workers Party via Populism and ended up supporting just another form of Leftism.

Same exact thing we are watching happen right before our eyes.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1304 on: October 05, 2016, 09:35:47 pm »
Meh. Misery loves company. Work was a bust so I came home. Looking this situation over leaves me no other option. I'm going fishing. seeyaluvyabye

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1305 on: October 05, 2016, 09:39:01 pm »

There were those who tried to warn the populace the same things we are attempting to warn them about now.  Google the Munich Post. 

That argument is a double-edged sword, because it begs the question of exactly who are the Nazis in this scenario.   Hillary and the left, or Trump?

If it is actually Hillary and the left that present the greater, more immediate threat to liberty, then those of us who are arguing that defeating her must be the primary goal are actually the ones sounding the alarm, and you guys are the ones failing to listen.

I suspect your answer will be "both of them".  But if that is the case, then we're screwed no matter who we elect, and whether we vote for Hillary, Trump, or even someone else won't make a damn bit of difference anyway.  Either Hillary or Trump wins, and liberty dies with them.  So if that's the case...it doesn't matter who we vote for, and you shouldn't care either way.

Ultimately, that's one of the biggest problems I have with that whole line of thinking.  I haven't seen a cogent argument presented as to why Hillary will not be in a better, stronger position than Trump to stack the deck/limit liberty moving forward.  I just haven't seen an argument for how anyone other than a progressive can win in 2020 and beyond if they have 12 years of Obama and Hillary on which to build.  I don't think anyone has even attempted to seriously make that case.  If someone wants to, fine.  Or maybe I've missed it.

But unless someone can make that case, then I don't see the downside to voting for Trump other than as virtue signaling.



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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1306 on: October 05, 2016, 09:42:54 pm »
Thanks! As always I'm here to help enlighten NeverTrump rabble, who as everyone knows, are so pitifully misinformed....

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If there is one thing this board has made clear, it is that the statements and conduct of supporters of a candidate can affect how others perceive that candidate.  In particular, the statements of some Trump supporters are often cited as the reason some people are worried about what his election would mean.

Why would you want to fuel that?  I honestly find that as puzzling as anything some of the NeverTrump people say.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1307 on: October 05, 2016, 09:48:29 pm »
I'm with you on the parallels @Smokin Joe , and I think it *could* happen here; we aren't genetically distinct from the Germans of the inter-war period.  Like you, I used to wonder *how* that could have happened, but then I saw the Democrat party fall into lock-step behind Clinton regardless of what he had done, and I saw the hero-worship afforded to Obama regardless of his clear lack of qualification, and I see the same now offered to Trump in spite of the many qualities, statements, and actions which should disqualify him.  And all three instances are characterized by appeal to fear and envy, and by scapegoating others and creating enemies.  American politics are clearly breaking down, or perhaps *have broken down*, into recrimination rather than competing ideas about governance, and I think it does sow the seeds for the kind of future you are describing.

But I think the major sees those same things also, he just sees that they are far more developed on the left, and that not all of the necessary parallels are in place for an American repeat of that history.  Now if, as the major points out, it has happened on the American left it can surely happen on the American right (or whichever direction we ascribe to Trump's supporters) as well, and I agree with you that we can at least see the leading edge of that tendency in some aspects of Trump's campaign.  You're also right that it's the kind of thing we should resist and defeat before it takes root, not after.  But if it hasn't yet taken root, then clearly it's not yet the full grown plant, and I think that is the major's key point.

I just hope that thinkers here on this site who have displayed a lot of insight and critical thought, and I put you and the major in that category, won't fall out with each other when it doesn't seem necessary.  However this election turns out we'll need fellows like both of you helping us find a way forward.
On the right, I see that the anger has been there. No one wants to be a victim on the right, no one wants to blame others, but that is a seductive stance.

Circumstances have mounted to the point the folks on the more Conservative end of the political spectrum are sick and tired of being used as a scapegoat (anger).

Tired of being blamed by those they support with their tax dollars and increasing national debt, often in relative luxury to what they themselves can afford. (anger/resentment)

Despite all those forcefully extracted benefits, those who decry the selfsame people who have by and large crafted this nation want yet more. (anger/resentment)

Our very communications are garbled and delayed by entreaties to have them in an alien language, foisted upon us by those who are here illegally or who refuse to assimilate within out borders (anger).

Our economy stinks, especially for the formerly middle class, often stripped of employment opportunity by a combination of overweening government policy, but blamed on the invaders. (anger)

Our culture is under attack by 'refugees' who carry the same seeds of belief as our enemies. (anger/fear)

At every turn, the actions of those who hold the same beliefs as those we fight elsewhere, perpetrated here are waved as an excuse to yet again attempt to disarm US. (anger/fear).

Our country is fighting a long war, often hampered by our own government, at the cost of our sons and daughters lives and well being, against the very peoples who are being imported (through our tax dollars) (more anger).

Our military is being used for social experimentation, seriously hampered by rules of engagement, and despite being the most effective such force on the planet, suffering in prestige due to the treatment of our warriors by their own command structure and the demands placed on our troops in other countries and upheld as US policy. (more anger)

At home, rioters and looters, operating with impunity under false pretenses and with apparent official sanction based on race, destroy whole neighborhoods while blaming those who attempt to maintain order, who are even targeted by the rioters or those sympathetic to their cause. Laws are selectively enforced, by the command of politicians. (more anger)

Just because the veneer of civility hasn't worn through to the point where there is mayhem in the streets, doesn't mean there isn't pressure building in the cooker. Let some Fergusson style riot get out of bounds, into the wrong neighborhood, and the shooting will start. That would be the  excuse which will justify anything from calling out the National Guard to blanket Marital law and the enactment of weapons bans.

The dominant culture has resisted retaliation, but that doesn't mean the stage isn't set for one pivotal event to change the landscape.

The American Left is like a fault line which has its regular, small scale seismic events, bleeding off pressure, but not achieving a fugue state. The other side of the political spectrum, however, as evidenced by growing genuine racist tendencies in posts on other boards, is harboring a smoldering resentment against those perpetrators, one which is building stress along the fault lines so thoroughly established by the Left, itself. That has not been relieved by incidents like the stresses on the Left, much of which was blatant theater for looters and race pimps.

When/if the stress on the Right lets go, it will be a major seismic event. Until then, a bulge here, a crack there, but no earthquake. Little shocks might rattle the dishes, but the big ones bring down the house. Chaos is the environment in which profound change commonly takes place, often not for the better.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1308 on: October 05, 2016, 10:42:44 pm »
That argument is a double-edged sword, because it begs the question of exactly who are the Nazis in this scenario.   Hillary and the left, or Trump?

Does it matter?  Tyrannical and dictatorial rule is not limited to party or faction - it's a trait of human nature when morality as we once understood it, has no firm shackle on those that achieve and wield power. Often in the name of safety and security, preservation and reincarnating past glory - genocidal maniacs are born.

BOTH Trump and Hildabeast have inarguably demonstrated they are BOTH Statists with no regard for the Constitution.  However, I think Trump would command a greater risk to achieving nefarious ends easier and faster than the Mao Pantsuit given the support he has from cops, the military and a lot of self-identifying Conservatives and Republicans.  Hillary is roundly disliked among her own ranks.  The Left merely hate and fear Conservatives more and want that welfare state to continue unabated.  People who are angry and afraid have no problems surrendering everything to those who promise to make them great again.  They will also cheer those who take matters into their own hands outside the bounds of the law to 'fix' a problem a public can be led to believe must be done now by decree because there is 'no time to play politics'.  I see Trump being able to get away with that easier than Hillary will.  Hell, he's had rabid supporters cheering him on to actually RULE as a dictator!


If it is actually Hillary and the left that present the greater, more immediate threat to liberty, then those of us who are arguing that defeating her must be the primary goal are actually the ones sounding the alarm, and you guys are the ones failing to listen.

No.  I think Trump and his Nationalist Populists are the greater danger to my liberty.  No one from Hildabeast's camp has threatened people en masse simply for opining that they are not voting for her.  The behavior of the AlwaysTrump nuts both here and abroad have demonstrated that they have no more love of liberty than Hildabeast's Commie hordes do, and are EAGER to mete out punishment on those they have already blamed should Trump *lose*.

Should Trump *win*, those same people have promised retribution and punishment on all those who did not support him in the first place.  Outside of Trump's own disgusting behavior and sickening tweets, his hordes of fanatics have made it abundantly clear to me that Trump is the greater and more dangerous threat to liberty than Hillary is.

But if that is the case, then we're screwed no matter who we elect, and whether we vote for Hillary, Trump, or even someone else won't make a damn bit of difference anyway.  Either Hillary or Trump wins, and liberty dies with them.

That's where most of us are in understanding.

So if that's the case...it doesn't matter who we vote for, and you shouldn't care either way.

Technically, I don't.  A people who demand a king or queen will get one.  However, a witness and the seeds for a future movement must be sown in a congress that is not corrupted by the state and the ambitious cronyists in the state.

I haven't seen a cogent argument presented as to why Hillary will not be in a better, stronger position than Trump to stack the deck/limit liberty moving forward.

Everyone KNOWS what Hillary is.  We know where she stands in our contempt for us.  The people have been deceived into thinking Trump is on their side. 

He's not.  He is (as he always is) on his OWN side.

BETTER to have an enemy at the head of government that we can clearly oppose and not be responsible for than an enemy from within whom smears our name and our reputations.

Trump proposes unConstitutional policies and look how his acolytes explain how wonderful, righteous and *Conservative* they are - whether they have to trash Reagan to make Trump look better or to insist Trump IS Reagan - the people lap it up.  Look how they applaud Trump's suggestion of forwarding Libel Laws to punish the media and prohibit movement of businesses and forcing companies to 'make their damn stuff here'. 

They are defending tyrannical proposals already, and their guy is not even in office yet.  Trump is the greater danger because he will be clothed in a mantle of 'change' that blinds everyone to the reality of what he is - which in some respects is identical if not worse than Hillary and Bernie Sanders.


I just haven't seen an argument for how anyone other than a progressive can win in 2020 and beyond if they have 12 years of Obama and Hillary on which to build.  I don't think anyone has even attempted to seriously make that case.  If someone wants to, fine.  Or maybe I've missed it.

You missed it, simply because the damage has already been done.  You lost the Republic in a velvet coup that was made self-evident back in 2012.  Now it's raw numbers taking over so the massive fraud and manipulations are not as widely necessary.   The nation has already been shifted off it's  foundations to the Statist Left.  A vast majority WANT what Obama and Hillary are promising.   You're still infected with Normacly bias - that somehow elections and numbers and campaigns decide who rules.

But unless someone can make that case, then I don't see the downside to voting for Trump other than as virtue signaling.

Frankly I do not care who you vote for.  I have issues with those who tell us that if we do not vote whom they tell us to vote for, we are the enemy.

Now if you want to call yourself a Principled Conservative, and announce you're supporting a NY liberal like Trump - I will doubt your credentials, or assume you simply traded whatever principles you had out of expedience or fear.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1309 on: October 05, 2016, 11:09:40 pm »
That argument is a double-edged sword, because it begs the question of exactly who are the Nazis in this scenario.   Hillary and the left, or Trump?

If it is actually Hillary and the left that present the greater, more immediate threat to liberty, then those of us who are arguing that defeating her must be the primary goal are actually the ones sounding the alarm, and you guys are the ones failing to listen.

I suspect your answer will be "both of them".  But if that is the case, then we're screwed no matter who we elect, and whether we vote for Hillary, Trump, or even someone else won't make a damn bit of difference anyway.
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So if that's the case...it doesn't matter who we vote for, and you shouldn't care either way.
But it does matter. Voting for that someone else, based on party platform and principle (not person, nor the anticipation of a win) will voice a desired direction, will help that party gain ballot access in the future. If Liberty is to be revived, that will have to happen elsewhere (aside from the GOP or the Democrats) or one of those parties is going to have to have a serious change in direction. With the tenuous assumption that there will be a future, we have to build for it. Otherwise, it has no chance of happening.
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Ultimately, that's one of the biggest problems I have with that whole line of thinking.  I haven't seen a cogent argument presented as to why Hillary will not be in a better, stronger position than Trump to stack the deck/limit liberty moving forward. 

Very simply: Hillary, by virtue of Party affiliation, should meet some resistance from a GOP dominated Congress. It is the reason I will vote GOP down ticket. She will meet no resistance from a Democrat Congress, and Trump would be unlikely to meet any resistance from a GOP Congress.
Therefore, the closest one gets to thwarting the Left depends on the Congress, which, admittedly, hasn't done much to instill faith in that direction.

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I just haven't seen an argument for how anyone other than a progressive can win in 2020 and beyond if they have 12 years of Obama and Hillary on which to build.  I don't think anyone has even attempted to seriously make that case.  If someone wants to, fine.  Or maybe I've missed it.
Short of an awakening in the electorate and mass defections from one or both parties, it is unlikely, especially with the GOP heading in the wrong direction.
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But unless someone can make that case, then I don't see the downside to voting for Trump other than as virtue signaling.
Then that will have to be sufficient. Voting for Trump will only encourage the GOP to continue as it is. There will be no reason for the GOP to reverse its course if no one signals that they have had enough, and all will continue on the same course if no one does. It may keep moving Left anyway if that truly is the agenda. If that is the case, only killing the Party off and building a new one will provide any relief. One thing is certain, voting for the same people who have fought against our Liberty will not restore it unless they genuinely fear losing their jobs.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1310 on: October 05, 2016, 11:19:19 pm »
Show me a hundred thousand brownshirts massing, threatening violence, and engaging in organized disruptions of other political parties. 

Okay, ten thousand.

A thousand?

Uh, fifty?

A dozen

I mean, I can go online and watch old videos of massive Nazi Party rallies.  Surely, in this age of cell phone videos and the internet, I should be able to see these violence-fueled Trump supporters massing in paramilitary units and intimidating peaceful citizens.  Heck, I can see violent rallies and rioting by BLM members, who presumably far fewer in numbers than the massive number of proto-fascist Trump supporters who are going to send the rest of us to the ovens.

So where are they?  Where is the paramilitary organization?  The pattern of violent disruption of opposition political rallies (again, we can see that from the left....)  Where is the evidence that what you're talking about is anything more than blowing wildly out of proportion the braggadocious stupidity of a few keyboard commandos?

Maybe the reason I'm not seeing it is because this melodramatic hand-wringing is without any rational basis in fact.

Have you thought to check the mirror? Just because they aren't wearing their colors don't mean they aren't in the gang. And people wonder why so many high intelligent and educated Jews didn't get out in time.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1311 on: October 05, 2016, 11:43:01 pm »
@aligncare -- winning friends and influencing people since the Iowa Caucuses....

If there is one thing this board has made clear, it is that the statements and conduct of supporters of a candidate can affect how others perceive that candidate.  In particular, the statements of some Trump supporters are often cited as the reason some people are worried about what his election would mean.

Why would you want to fuel that?  I honestly find that as puzzling as anything some of the NeverTrump people say.

We come at this from different places, Maj. You appear to be a reluctant but resigned Trump voter. Well, good for you. You transitioned to accept the republican nominee. Your posts reflected over time a softening of your opposition the idea of voting for Mr. Trump.

Folks here initially saw you on their side, they never attacked you – that is until just recently when you began expressing a few hopeful, positive words about Donald Trump. Now I see you're beginning to sense the futility.

But, I'm a full throated Trump supporter here. I was attacked and insulted from the minute I gave my opinion. My conservative credentials, intelligence, morality, sanity was attacked and impugned by these NeverTrump–Ted Cruz cultists and diehards.

You hope to reconcile this rift? I'm not so optimistic. You have this idea that you can "gently" nurture these poor emotionally wounded souls back to seeing the big picture? Me, I am not so inclined. I plan to continue giving as bad as I got from the free republic refuse, that overnight flooded this neighborhood, flinging their dirt at anything or anyone Trump.

To you, I say peace, Major – and good luck. You'll need it.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1312 on: October 06, 2016, 12:11:35 am »
Ok the whole point is that you can't fix stupid. Telling it to go away doesn't work either. It is still stupid. You can buy it books and send it to school but it is still stupid. So eliminate it. I hope trump wins and I hope he TRIES at least to slow the flow. Sticking his head in the hole would be a great start. I e-mailed all my reps 3 times so far telling them how and why I want an Article 5. I am going to do that ad nauseum. I want and will use that as one of my choices in the fight against the creeping creep of the creeps. If hillary wins I am going to find  ways and means to oppose her at every turn. Maybe I'll stop paying taxes. Among other things.

But the way I truly see things is there is no stopping the s storm. Things can't change or be changed fast enough to do that. There are too many indicators 'we' are at great 'risk'. And the only way to try and survive is going to involve blood in the streets. I don't have a problem with that in fact and truth to tell I will probably enjoy it too much. Simply because I am over the top with the bullsh. And I want to eliminate stupid.

Fear is their bus driver.

I got off that bus a LONG time ago.

They can't threaten me with anything that will keep to make me kiss their collective azz.

When these discussions deteriorate into name calling or worse it bothers me. Intelligent people reduced to squalling brats. Really people? Really?

My whole point with the board thing is that the guy sitting in the design chair is stupid. That is a fact. So this morning he tells someone to come tell me how to fix his stupidity with more stupidity. WHY the boss doesn't put me back in that chair is an easy answer.  He has some problem admitting I have more capability and flat out ability at this trade than he does. It isn't some high school popularity contest. I simply do the best I can. And that best is pretty damn fantastic. heh heh heh (What did he hire me to do?) I see it all as a microcosm of the problems we collectively face. People thinking trump or anyone else is the answer when the answer is for them to shut up, get up, and make the change them selves. Collectively, WE can. I read somewhere once some thing that started with WE THE PEOPLE and that turned out ok. WE are still here.



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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1313 on: October 06, 2016, 12:14:34 am »
Have you thought to check the mirror? Just because they aren't wearing their colors don't mean they aren't in the gang. And people wonder why so many high intelligent and educated Jews didn't get out in time.

They couldn't believe their good time had come to an end. They got on the trains and trucks still thinking someone else cared enough to stop the madness. Well, someone did. It took the Allies a bit to get them free.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1314 on: October 06, 2016, 12:24:03 am »
They couldn't believe their good time had come to an end. They got on the trains and trucks still thinking someone else cared enough to stop the madness. Well, someone did. It took the Allies a bit to get them free.

There was no "good time."  Things sucked for years before the cattle cars were lined up.  The thumbscrews had been tightened for years on the Jews in Germany.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1315 on: October 06, 2016, 12:27:31 am »
But, I'm a full throated Trump supporter here. I was attacked and insulted from the minute I gave my opinion. My conservative credentials, intelligence, morality, sanity was attacked and impugned by these NeverTrump–Ted Cruz cultists and diehards.


Projection.  You've flung more insults, slander and ridicule than a stick can be shaken at.

Oh, and if your widdle feewings is hurt,  this is for your self-deluded suffering:




You hope to reconcile this rift? I'm not so optimistic.

You made us the enemy from the very beginning.  We're now simply living up to your charge because you made it pointless to argue otherwise.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1316 on: October 06, 2016, 12:33:08 am »
The rift between those that fully support Trump, as opposed to voting for him as the lesser of two evils, and those who don't will never heal.

If he loses, his supporters will spend the next four years blaming the Nevers. The Nevers will blame the supporters for putting up a bad candidate against an otherwise unelectable Democrat.

If he wins, the Nevers will be a thorn in his side has he drifts back to the center left. The supporters will see the Nevers standing in the way of his agenda
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1317 on: October 06, 2016, 12:38:35 am »
There was no "good time."  Things sucked for years before the cattle cars were lined up.  The thumbscrews had been tightened for years on the Jews in Germany.

yeah huh

comparatively speaking

WE THE PEOPLE can turn the shitstorm into a fart in the wind.

Intelligent directed positive energy.  Even if that means when you pull that trigger you are positive you are going to blow that MF's head off. 
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1318 on: October 06, 2016, 01:17:10 am »

Projection.  You've flung more insults, slander and ridicule than a stick can be shaken at.

Oh, and if your widdle feewings is hurt,  this is for your self-deluded suffering:



You made us the enemy from the very beginning.  We're now simply living up to your charge because you made it pointless to argue otherwise.

I was here from the beginning of his Trump mania.

He's making things up.   He wasn't personally maligned.  He took every negative comment about Trump as an insult to himself.

He was so personally tied to Trump from Day one that he lost all objectivity immediately.

If Trump was called insane, he complained that people said He was insane, if Trump called immoral, he whined that  HE was being called immoral.

It's called being an emotional basket case................ and his anger only gotten worse.

Pay him no never mind.  :patriot: 
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1319 on: October 06, 2016, 01:56:37 am »
29 pages.

Say what you will, there's one thing the ne'ertrumper contingent ne'r runs out of:

BREATH!

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1320 on: October 06, 2016, 02:07:33 am »
29 pages.

Say what you will, there's one thing the ne'ertrumper contingent ne'r runs out of:

BREATH!

Nor does the Trump-is-Savior contingent, since both sides are well represented here, and there are only about 8 of you........

Lots of wind on both sides, it seems........ right??   ^-^
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1321 on: October 06, 2016, 02:45:34 am »
Nor does the Trump-is-Savior contingent, since both sides are well represented here, and there are only about 8 of you........

Lots of wind on both sides, it seems........ right??   ^-^

And minty fresh.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1322 on: October 06, 2016, 12:28:46 pm »
You're forgetting one indisputable fact about Donald Trump: he is a patriot who values America above globalization and multiculturalism
You'll never convince the #nevertrump bumpkins of that @aligncare, because it intrudes on their daydream about this election and its outcome.

Its much easier for them to maintain their delusion if Trump can be shown as just another multicultural globalist in the "thrall" of big banks.  :shrug:




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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1323 on: October 06, 2016, 01:03:13 pm »
And minty fresh.

Hey! I just got my Swear Word Coloring Book! Now I can make colorful language even more colorful!

I was thinking of getting one!    Do you like it so far?  As  for colored pencils; what brand do you prefer??
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1324 on: October 06, 2016, 01:36:35 pm »


...BOTH Trump and Hildabeast have inarguably demonstrated they are BOTH Statists with no regard for the Constitution.  ...

... I think Trump and his Nationalist Populists are the greater danger to my liberty.  No one from Hildabeast's camp has threatened people en masse simply for opining that they are not voting for her.  The behavior of the AlwaysTrump nuts both here and abroad have demonstrated that they have no more love of liberty than Hildabeast's Commie hordes do, and are EAGER to mete out punishment on those they have already blamed should Trump *lose*...

...Everyone KNOWS what Hillary is.  We know where she stands in our contempt for us.  The people have been deceived into thinking Trump is on their side. 

He's not.  He is (as he always is) on his OWN side....

...A vast majority WANT what Obama and Hillary are promising.   You're still infected with Normacly bias - that somehow elections and numbers and campaigns decide who rules.



 :amen:  Very well stated.  Too many people fail to recognize that a vast majority on the left want what Obama and Hillary have promised and a vast majority on the right are buying into Trump's hype and rhetoric.  He was able to sell himself as an outsider who wants to help with the plight of conservatives and has been able to play upon their fears and emotions with hollow promises.  He saw an opportunity to feed his insatiable quest for recognition, attention, wealth and power. 
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