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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #875 on: September 27, 2016, 03:14:41 pm »
There was a story on here that noted Priebus saying the same thing—that suggested that the RNC may even ban them from running for the GOP nod in 2020. It was one of those "I'm not threatening anyone, I'm just saying we had rules and a pledge" sort of thing (kind of like "I'm not saying Rafael Cruz was part of the JFK assassination, but it is there in the paper"). Jeb left 2016 with his tail between his legs, so that threat doesn't mean much in his case, but for Cruz and Kasich it would be a bigger deal as they might be contenders by that time. Sure enough, a couple days after that threat, Cruz endorsed Trump.

It is a leap of faith for Cruz to hope the GOP honors its promise. Look for them to support either Kasich or Bush next cycle. They'll find some other reason not to support Cruz, I'm afraid.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #876 on: September 27, 2016, 03:48:06 pm »
It is a leap of faith for Cruz to hope the GOP honors its promise. Look for them to support either Kasich or Bush next cycle. They'll find some other reason not to support Cruz, I'm afraid.

@skeeter  I think Cruz may be more concerned with whether or not the GOP backs him in his reelection for Senate run in '18.  I'd be surprised if he even ran for President again.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #877 on: September 27, 2016, 04:58:02 pm »
@CatherineofAragon Well, Cruz was pretty well painted into a corner, and had to decide who he'd rather piss off.  We see how that came out.

@Cyber Liberty, yes, that's definitely a point.  But he did an interview with Hugh Hewitt in which he said that people who oppose him supporting Trump are liberal Republicans. 

I don't like that.  At all.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/senator-ted-cruz-last-nights-debate-endorsement-donald-trump/


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #878 on: September 27, 2016, 05:00:25 pm »


Thanks for that information, @mrpotatohead.   It's definitely something to keep in mind.

Though Cruz came out with a statement saying Trump  was the big winner last night, and there's such a clear difference between him and Clinton, and we have to vote for Trump, etc., etc.  Ted just keeps digging.

Not only Cruz, but Rush, Levin - the whole panoply of Conservative voices have bought into a fraud who is single-handedly destroying their reputations and credibility and they are so blinded by their self-importance or fear of Hillary that they cannot see they just committed seppeku and diminished forever their standing in the eyes of actual Principled Conservatives.

I'll never listen to Limbaugh again and I'll never trust Cruz with a vote.  They are simply party hacks, and perhaps they always were.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #879 on: September 27, 2016, 05:08:19 pm »
@skeeter  I think Cruz may be more concerned with whether or not the GOP backs him in his reelection for Senate run in '18.  I'd be surprised if he even ran for President again.

Two things ... either Cruz needs big donor money and is indeed running for re-election in '18 and the presidency in '20 and is playing the game that's needed to play or it goes even deeper than that and he's been threatened or his family has been threatened.  I'm leaning towards the later for the simple reason he had a tremendous ground game and was able to raise an enormous amount of money just from his supporters.  IMHO I don't think Ted will be seeking re-election or the presidency.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #880 on: September 27, 2016, 05:20:08 pm »
Two things ... either Cruz needs big donor money and is indeed running for re-election in '18 and the presidency in '20 and is playing the game that's needed to play or it goes even deeper than that and he's been threatened or his family has been threatened.  I'm leaning towards the later for the simple reason he had a tremendous ground game and was able to raise an enormous amount of money just from his supporters.  IMHO I don't think Ted will be seeking re-election or the presidency.


I agree.  I think that despite his late-endorsement - the long knives are out and the GOP is going to do a Thad Cochran on Cruz in '18.  Cruz has to know that, but he is the kid pleading with his abusive daddy not to spank him, he promises that 'he'll be good'.

I do not know how much more clear it can be made to Cruz and Conservatives - but the GOP wants us OUT and GONE from their party.  The Establishment threw in with Trump - even though he was not groomed in their club stables, because they realized Trump would do for them what they could not do on their own: wipe out and get rid of the 'dead weight' of Principled Conservatives from "holding them back" from their pursuit of controlling big government central control that they think they can better manage.  The GOP went full Democrat Left and made their uniparty alignment self-evident to anyone who sees clearly.

Cruz would have a better chance of a future if he dumped the GOP and signed onto the Constitution Party and helped them build a movement from there.

The GOP is like the Lusitania - been torpedoed by Trump and the Democrats and it is going down despite whatever music Cruz and his band is furiously playing up on deck to try and keep everyone's spirits up.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #881 on: September 27, 2016, 05:23:42 pm »
@Cyber Liberty, yes, that's definitely a point.  But he did an interview with Hugh Hewitt in which he said that people who oppose him supporting Trump are liberal Republicans. 

I don't like that.  At all.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/senator-ted-cruz-last-nights-debate-endorsement-donald-trump/

I wouldn't cross the street to watch an interview with a politician not involved in an election in which I'm voting.  Cruz ceased being that months ago.  I wish him luck in his Senate reelection, but I really don't care anymore what he thinks about Trump or the voters in this election.  Interviewers who are having these conversations don't seem to be interested in casting light, they're playing the game and trying to generate ratings by driving wedges.  Even Hugh.

There's too much going on that matters.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #882 on: September 27, 2016, 05:40:45 pm »

I agree.  I think that despite his late-endorsement - the long knives are out and the GOP is going to do a Thad Cochran on Cruz in '18.  Cruz has to know that, but he is the kid pleading with his abusive daddy not to spank him, he promises that 'he'll be good'.

I do not know how much more clear it can be made to Cruz and Conservatives - but the GOP wants us OUT and GONE from their party.  The Establishment threw in with Trump - even though he was not groomed in their club stables, because they realized Trump would do for them what they could not do on their own: wipe out and get rid of the 'dead weight' of Principled Conservatives from "holding them back" from their pursuit of controlling big government central control that they think they can better manage.  The GOP went full Democrat Left and made their uniparty alignment self-evident to anyone who sees clearly.

Cruz would have a better chance of a future if he dumped the GOP and signed onto the Constitution Party and helped them build a movement from there.

The GOP is like the Lusitania - been torpedoed by Trump and the Democrats and it is going down despite whatever music Cruz and his band is furiously playing up on deck to try and keep everyone's spirits up.

Agreed.  Cruz would be smart to finish up his term and then stay out of the limelight altogether and quietly work with the Constitution Party and people like Clymer, Goode, and Baldwin and get all his ducks in a row and then throw his hat in the ring in 2020.  He's spinning he's wheels with the GOP(e).  He's got the ground game and the experience and they've got the message and by 2020, people will be ready ... provided we still have a country left.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #883 on: September 27, 2016, 05:50:34 pm »
Two things ... either Cruz needs big donor money and is indeed running for re-election in '18 and the presidency in '20 and is playing the game that's needed to play or it goes even deeper than that and he's been threatened or his family has been threatened.  I'm leaning towards the later for the simple reason he had a tremendous ground game and was able to raise an enormous amount of money just from his supporters.  IMHO I don't think Ted will be seeking re-election or the presidency.
I can see Cruz running for the senate again, but not for president. He just doesn't have the personality for it.  Plus the fact that after the Trump debacle, no conservative will ever stand a chance of being president.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #884 on: September 27, 2016, 05:54:23 pm »
Not only Cruz, but Rush, Levin - the whole panoply of Conservative voices have bought into a fraud who is single-handedly destroying their reputations and credibility and they are so blinded by their self-importance or fear of Hillary that they cannot see they just committed seppeku and diminished forever their standing in the eyes of actual Principled Conservatives.

I'll never listen to Limbaugh again and I'll never trust Cruz with a vote.  They are simply party hacks, and perhaps they always were.

Rush is really carrying Trump's water today.  Amazing how differently he viewed last nite's debate from my perspective of Trump's behavior.  Especially considering how many years I have agreed with Rush on so many, if not most, things.   Yet another 'first' in the Trumponation. 
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #885 on: September 27, 2016, 05:56:02 pm »
Not only Cruz, but Rush, Levin - the whole panoply of Conservative voices have bought into a fraud who is single-handedly destroying their reputations and credibility and they are so blinded by their self-importance or fear of Hillary that they cannot see they just committed seppeku and diminished forever their standing in the eyes of actual Principled Conservatives.

I'll never listen to Limbaugh again and I'll never trust Cruz with a vote.  They are simply party hacks, and perhaps they always were.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #886 on: September 27, 2016, 05:58:50 pm »
I can see Cruz running for the senate again, but not for president. He just doesn't have the personality for it.  Plus the fact that after the Trump debacle, no conservative will ever stand a chance of being president.

Cruz has everything it takes to make a great president; including personality.  The only thing he doesn't have is a party that will stand behind him.  He is much more in line with the Constitution Party than the GOP.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #887 on: September 27, 2016, 05:59:26 pm »
I can see Cruz running for the senate again, but not for president. He just doesn't have the personality for it.  Plus the fact that after the Trump debacle, no conservative will ever stand a chance of being president.

I hope to see him stay in the Senate, we need him there.  The people I hear running him down for his lukewarm support of Trump are people who don't live in his state, so Eff 'em.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #888 on: September 27, 2016, 06:00:43 pm »
I wouldn't cross the street to watch an interview with a politician not involved in an election in which I'm voting.  Cruz ceased being that months ago.  I wish him luck in his Senate reelection, but I really don't care anymore what he thinks about Trump or the voters in this election.  Interviewers who are having these conversations don't seem to be interested in casting light, they're playing the game and trying to generate ratings by driving wedges.  Even Hugh.

There's too much going on that matters.

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Hewitt didn't force him to say what he said.  He took a simple question and went into exhaustive detail.

You may not care, but my husband and I contributed a good amount of money to Cruz because we believed he was a different kind of politician.  He was the first and only candidate to whom we've donated, and he's calling us liberal Republicans.  So yeah, I care.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #889 on: September 27, 2016, 06:02:26 pm »
I hope to see him stay in the Senate, we need him there.  The people I hear running him down for his lukewarm support of Trump are people who don't live in his state, so Eff 'em.

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No, just people who gave money to his primary run, supported him and voted for him, so I'll make my opinion of him known whenever I damn well please.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #890 on: September 27, 2016, 06:06:26 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

No, just people who gave money to his primary run, supported him and voted for him, so I'll make my opinion of him known whenever I damn well please.

Okie dokie.  I never said you could not express your opinion, and I'm a little disappointed you read that into what I said.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #891 on: September 27, 2016, 06:17:00 pm »
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Politics is really turning me off...and not just lately.  The GOP could run a sack of chicken feed for president, and everybody would yammer about unity and supporting the candidate.

They're already running a sack of chickenshtuff...
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #892 on: September 27, 2016, 06:17:13 pm »
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Come on guys.  Shake hands. 

Cyber, it was the "eff-em" that got her (my guess).  That's all.  I was wondering a little about that myself, since I am mad at him, too.  But I know you enough to figure you're entitled to trash my opinion once in awhile.  I don't see it that way.  This was such a far deeper issue than just Cruz choosing his candidate.  We have defended that man for months and months against the vile attacks of Team Trump.  Now this?  We have weathered our own attacks.  Now this?  No, it is a betrayal and there is no getting around that.  We all may differ on where to go from here.  But I will insult no one for feeling betrayed by Cruz.

My "Eff 'em" was in reference to my local politicians (AZ) who trash Cruz because of his speech at the convention.    IOW, people who don't live in Cruz's state. 

Edited to add:  I don't like to trash anybody's opinion, we're all entitled to them, and I'm sorry if anybody got the impression I did.
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« Reply #893 on: September 27, 2016, 06:20:14 pm »
They're already running a sack of chickenshtuff...

No.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #894 on: September 27, 2016, 06:26:19 pm »
Not only Cruz, but Rush, Levin - the whole panoply of Conservative voices have bought into a fraud who is single-handedly destroying their reputations and credibility and they are so blinded by their self-importance or fear of Hillary that they cannot see they just committed seppeku and diminished forever their standing in the eyes of actual Principled Conservatives.


I agree.   They're all betting big-time both on a Trump victory,  and that Trump as President won't turn on a dime and revert to the liberal he always was.   

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #895 on: September 27, 2016, 06:27:43 pm »
Oh.  LOL.  Well that's good.  There is a drawback to thread debating in that you usually click on the last thing said and read backward.  So if there is clarification of a comment further up, it might be missed.

Thanks for setting that straight.

Feelings are running high this election.  My own wife would not talk to me one night because I wouldn't get on the Trump Train.  Still a little standoffish because I'm a reluctant voter.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #896 on: September 27, 2016, 06:30:10 pm »
Feelings are running high this election.  My own wife would not talk to me one night because I wouldn't get on the Trump Train.  Still a little standoffish because I'm a reluctant voter.

I'm glad my husband and I are on the same page here.  He's a little less repulsed by Trump than I am, but he isn't voting for either of the corrupt liberals running in the D and R parties this time around.

We probably wouldn't say a word about politics if we didn't agree on this.

Fortunately, over the years, we pretty much agree on everything.....  ^-^
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« Reply #897 on: September 27, 2016, 06:38:58 pm »
I am trying to guess where my husband would have been on this issue.  I am pretty sure he would despise Trump.  My husband was a gentleman.  One thing I can thank his mother for, she raised him to be respectful, especially of women.  He would have been appalled at Trump for that alone.  Now, my husband was a bigger talk radio fan than I was and he may have been influenced by that.  But then he would have had me setting him straight on it, so....I cannot imagine he would have be a Trumpster.   Not even for strategy.

My guess is that a conservative gentleman, well raised, would despise a man who talks about and treats women like trash.

I think you can rest on that.  (He sounds like my husband, btw.  Sounds like he was a good man!)
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #898 on: September 27, 2016, 06:43:04 pm »
For those that did not listen, here is the Cruz interview with Hewitt.  His comment on "liberal Republicans" starts at minute 6:


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #899 on: September 27, 2016, 06:44:38 pm »
@CatherineofAragon , i don't know if you've seen any of the conversation above, but I didn't mean to belittle your opinions.  I'd be a little cheesed at someone I donated to if he went 180 on me too.  If you read up there, you can see this whole election has not bee a pleasant thing for me at all.
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