Cruz: I'm voting for Trump

[XenaLee]

@Maj. Bill Martin

The problem is, Cruz is on record saying that Trump is a pathological liar who lies about everything.  Beck and crew pressed him on that---asked why they believe him on the issue of the justices.  His only response, and it was a lame one, was that Trump committed "publicly."

Every time we've seen Trump lie it's been public.

Apparently....Cruz thinks that Trump's feet can and will be held to the fire on his campaign promises.  Unfortunately, with 'this' current crop in Congress, that will never happen.  Cruz is naïve to think otherwise.  But ...in my opinion...he is still an honest man.  Probably the last and/or only one in DC now.  It's a dying (if not dead already) breed.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It's simple for me.  Trump lies habitually and he hasn't the first clue about conservative principles. 

The man recently said he doesn't care if the Senate goes Democrat.  I see no reason why I should expect him to appoint decent judges.

But that still does not explain the certainty that his appointment will be as bad as Hillary's.  Again, there is a pretty huge difference between "I don't trust him" and "I trust him to do exactly the wrong thing."

[Frank Cannon]

Yes, we're pretty much screwed.

I wish. That would be more fun. I feel we are being turned on a spit over an open fire.

[Frank Cannon]

But that still does not explain the certainty that his appointment will be as bad as Hillary's.  Again, there is a pretty huge difference between "I don't trust him" and "I trust him to do exactly the wrong thing."

Can yu direct me to any position Donny has held to over the last 5 years? Last year? Last 2 months?

[libertybele]

I wish. That would be more fun. I feel we are being turned on a spit over an open fire.

Chestnuts Roasting On an Open Fire?

[aligncare]

You NEVER post ANY policy position of Trump's.  Just attacks on #NeverTrump. 

Why don't you try to convince people of the rightness of Trump?  Can you do that?  Can you keep up with your boy's constantly-shifting positions?

In the short time available to me, here's a post from a few hours ago on another thread. And if you go back to June, July, August '15 you'll see 100s of posts detailing research on Donald Trump's positives. You know full well I have posted in favor of his talents, his strengths, his qualifications for the job as president.

Donald Trump's running for president, not Saint.

Since the start of his campaign they've been screaming about his tone. That's the kernel of NeverTrump's complaints – his mean-spirited insults. ...the rest has been just partisan political noise and deceptive headlines on political fora that always turned out to be lies.

Donald Trump has built an incredible, stable, growing, prosperous company for 40 years. Imagine the temperament required to build a 100-story skyscraper, one after another after another, across the globe. You can't do that unless you're a serious, focused person.

Employees don't quit him. Of the thousands of people who've worked for him, no ex-employee is suing him or is in the media thrashing him – in fact, just the opposite. Friends in his circle have only praise for Donald Trump. You just can't achieve that level of success if you're crazy, stupid or racist as his critics claim.

As for his personal life, how many of you throwing stones have been divorced? Or, when you were young and stupid had an affair? Or shot your mouth off? Or exaggerated your tennis game or your fielding in baseball?

Partisan political noise is all we get from Hillary Clinton and #NeverTrump.

[Smokin Joe]

I second that.  I rarely use a TV...going months at a time without it on.  So even though mine was over warranty when it died, it had seen minimal usage.  Unbelievable. 

I've gotten a Samsung to replace it, because of higher ratings.  Not the features of the Visio, but I'm hoping it will last.

@mrpotatohead

We have had good luck with Sanyo TVs, FWIW.

[Bigun]

Apparently....Cruz thinks that Trump's feet can and will be held to the fire on his campaign promises.  Unfortunately, with 'this' current crop in Congress, that will never happen.  Cruz is naïve to think otherwise.  But ...in my opinion...he is still an honest man.  Probably the last and/or only one in DC now.  It's a dying (if not dead already) breed.

He is NOT naive! He knows better but he also knows that it is impossible to run a campaign without money.  He caved because the big money forced him to!

[Silver Pines]

Apparently....Cruz thinks that Trump's feet can and will be held to the fire on his campaign promises.  Unfortunately, with 'this' current crop in Congress, that will never happen.  Cruz is naïve to think otherwise.  But ...in my opinion...he is still an honest man.  Probably the last and/or only one in DC now.  It's a dying (if not dead already) breed.

@XenaLee

Beck repeatedly asked Cruz what new information he had that made Trump preferential to Clinton.  Ted gave the false "binary choice" argument.  Beck pressed him, "But you knew all of that at the convention.  What changed?  I'm asking what new information you have."  And he never received a straight response. 

I think he's a solid conservative but I no longer think he's the only man in Washington who hasn't been changed.

[Bigun]

@XenaLee

Beck repeatedly asked Cruz what new information he had that made Trump preferential to Clinton.  Ted gave the false "binary choice" argument.  Beck pressed him, "But you knew all of that at the convention.  What changed?  I'm asking what new information you have."  And he never received a straight response. 

I think he's a solid conservative but I no longer think he's the only man in Washington who hasn't been changed.

See my response to XenaLee above.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Can yu direct me to any position Donny has held to over the last 5 years? Last year? Last 2 months?

No.  Which is exactly why you cannot be sure that his appointments will be as bad as Hillary's.   The uncertainty we get with Trump is better than the certainty of what we get with Hillary.

I would point out that your own argument is actually an argument against all the horrible things some claim Trump will do.  The core of your statement above is that he is unpredictable.  He is a wild card -- I don't think you'll get much of an argument on that from those of us who didn't like him during the primaries, and only support him now because of who is opponent is.  But I'll take unpredictable over a predictable hard-left ideologue 10 times out of 10.

[Silver Pines]

But that still does not explain the certainty that his appointment will be as bad as Hillary's.  Again, there is a pretty huge difference between "I don't trust him" and "I trust him to do exactly the wrong thing."

@Maj. Bill Martin

I trust every liberal to do exactly the wrong thing, and that's what Trump is.  I don't believe for a second that a 70 year old man suddenly changed his entire worldview just in time to run for president. I've lost count of the times Trump has let his true progressive views slip out during this campaign. 

Again, he said he doesn't care if the Senate goes Democrat, and last July he admitted to Joe Scarborough that he's a Democrat in a lot of ways.  I'm not going to delude myself about him.

[Silver Pines]

See my response to XenaLee above.

@Bigun

I think that's likely.  He endorsed only five days after Reince the weasel issued his little proclamation, I think. 

And you're right---Cruz is too smart to be naive about this.

[TomSea]

Cruz endorsed Romney too.

Perhaps those who are calling him so principled, believe that applies only when his principles agrees with their's.

[sinkspur]

In the short time available to me, here's a post from a few hours ago on another thread. And if you go back to June, July, August '15 you'll see 100s of posts detailing research on Donald Trump's positives. You know full well I have posted in favor of his talents, his strengths, his qualifications for the job as president.

I've never seen you post a single qualification.  Building buildings is not a qualification any more than giving speeches is a qualification.

And as for pooh-poohing his obscene behavior over the last 15 months--that is the essence of the man.  When he can act as he wants, he insults, is rude, lies,  is boorish and condescending.

His chief economist just released Trump's trade and economic growth plan.  Peter Navarro is the economist and he is confused about the meaning of GDP and what goes into it.  How can Trump hire somebody who doesn't even know the basics of economics? 

I don't see anything from any of you guys except links to Trump's website, which is horribly outdated by now with all the changes Trump has made.   I post article after article by serious people who have real problems with his policies and I see no counter to any of it from Trump supporters.

We are now entering the last phase of Trump's con:  he is going to try to make low-info, middle-of-the-road voters forget all his obscene antics from the last six months by acting like a normal human being.  And it may work.

God help us if it does.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Beck repeatedly asked Cruz what new information he had that made Trump preferential to Clinton.  Ted gave the false "binary choice" argument.  Beck pressed him, "But you knew all of that at the convention.  What changed?  I'm asking what new information you have."  And he never received a straight response. 

I think he's a solid conservative but I no longer think he's the only man in Washington who hasn't been changed.

Well, I have yet to watch that interview (will endeavor to do so) so I can't speak on it until then.

As for Cruz no longer being the only man in Washington who hasn't been changed...perhaps we are expecting the impossible of him.  In DC, there really IS something in the water.  And sooner or later...

everyone must partake of that something.

Bottom line, this election year looks to be historic in every way.  It's looking more and more like we will be left completely leaderless when all is said and done.   Time to find 'new' leaders then.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@CatherineofAragon

@Maj. Bill Martin

I trust every liberal to do exactly the wrong thing, and that's what Trump is.

So he is as consistent and predictable as Hillary is in terms of what he'll do in office?  Rather than argue with that myself, I'll just point out that a lot of other nevertrumpers condemn him because he is unpredictable and cannot be trusted.

he said he doesn't care if the Senate goes Democrat, and last July he admitted to Joe Scarborough that he's a Democrat in a lot of ways.  I'm not going to delude myself about him.

Can't you see that you are being incredibly selective about what you choose to believe?  Was he being truthful when he said those things to Scarborough, or just trying to pander to MSNBC voters?  I don't think you're being consistent in rejecting everything conservative he says as being disingenuous, but accepting everything he says that is liberal as reflecting his actual views.  If he is not trustworthy, then both the conservative and the liberal things he says cannot be trusted as reflecting his true views.

My guess - and that's really all it can be at this point -- is that he's a basic East Coast, Rockefeller Republican.  That is not ever a POV I have espoused, but I see it as preferable to the hard leftism, particularly on social issues, that we'd get from Hillary.  But in any case, that still remains just a guess.  Which leads me right back to preferring the unpredictable, untrustworthy to someone I can predict and trust to do exactly the wrong things.

ETA:  I should add that early in this campaign season, I told some liberal friends that Trump would probably end up being more liberal than they probably expected on issues like health care, and that he probably wouldn't be as bad from their perspective as they were thinking at that time.  They responded by saying that the liberal quotes attributed to him were just an act, and that he really didn't believe that stuff.  The exact flip side of the argument you are making here.

[Smokin Joe]

I've never seen you post a single qualification.  Building buildings is not a qualification any more than giving speeches is a qualification.

And as for pooh-poohing his obscene behavior over the last 15 months--that is the essence of the man.  When he can act as he wants, he insults, is rude, lies,  is boorish and condescending.

His chief economist just released Trump's trade and economic growth plan.  Peter Navarro is the economist and he is confused about the meaning of GDP and what goes into it.  How can Trump hire somebody who doesn't even know the basics of economics? 

I don't see anything from any of you guys except links to Trump's website, which is horribly outdated by now with all the changes Trump has made.   I post article after article by serious people who have real problems with his policies and I see no counter to any of it from Trump supporters.

We are now entering the last phase of Trump's con:  he is going to try to make low-info, middle-of-the-road voters forget all his obscene antics from the last six months by acting like a normal human being.  And it may work.

God help us if it does.

In the short attention span theater that is the American news cycle, if he stays on script he might pull it off. Hillary is hitting him hard with her ads, and they use him talking against him.
As such, she is deflecting the negatives about herself and focusing that (emotional, no less) beam at Trump.
She isn't letting people forget what he has said, and that will hurt him with all but those most desperate to keep her out, or who have kissed the ring.

We live in interesting times.

[INVAR]

Cruz endorsed Romney too.

Perhaps those who are calling him so principled, believe that applies only when his principles agrees with their's.

If they want my support then that's damn right.

There are plenty of peoples and agendas that have hardcore principles - and I stand in eternal hostility to those principles and the people who are motivated and governed by them.

Jihadist Muslims have principles that I will forever be vehemently opposed.  We have nothing in common, and no ground to stand upon together.

Same is true of all Collectivists and Statists, regardless of which party they claim fealty - I stand in permanent opposition to such and will never walk alongside such people or movements.

We have been shown that all Politicians put party loyalty and the promise of funding above everything else, including the Constitution and self-respect.

Cruz demonstrated that fact perfectly in the last few days.  His 'interview' this morning was an illustration of how Washington poisons everyone it touches.

Principles are immovable and unchangeable, despite what unprincipled zealots insist.  That so many believe principles can be compromised for the sake of the 'better good' explains how it is that the Constitution itself has been eroded to the point of irrelevance and how we lost the Republic to whatever this Statist mobocracy is that we now exist under.

[Frank Cannon]

No.  Which is exactly why you cannot be sure that his appointments will be as bad as Hillary's.   The uncertainty we get with Trump is better than the certainty of what we get with Hillary.

There is no uncertainty with the educated. Donny has been a lifelong Rat. The only time he moved Right was when he saw an opportunity to be President on his last 2 failed runs for the office. As soon as those campaigns evaporated, he went hard Left again.

What exactly is his motivation to do anything we want when he is elected? Not a damn thing, plus we have his brownshirt surrogates running around now (See Omorosa) saying that the vengeance of Donny will come down like Thor's hammer on his dissenters. 

Haven't seen were Donny denounced that.....have you?

[sinkspur]

I've never seen you post a single qualification.  Building buildings is not a qualification any more than giving speeches is a qualification.

And as for pooh-poohing his obscene behavior over the last 15 months--that is the essence of the man.  When he can act as he wants, he insults, is rude, lies,  is boorish and condescending.

His chief economist just released Trump's trade and economic growth plan.  Peter Navarro is the economist and he is confused about the meaning of GDP and what goes into it.  How can Trump hire somebody who doesn't even know the basics of economics? 

I don't see anything from any of you guys except links to Trump's website, which is horribly outdated by now with all the changes Trump has made.   I post article after article by serious people who have real problems with his policies and I see no counter to any of it from Trump supporters.

We are now entering the last phase of Trump's con:  he is going to try to make low-info, middle-of-the-road voters forget all his obscene antics from the last six months by acting like a normal human being.  And it may work.

God help us if it does.

I realize now I made a mistake in asking for Trump's qualifications.  Qualifications are only for elitists.  They are not necessary for populists.

[XenaLee]

He is NOT naive! He knows better but he also knows that it is impossible to run a campaign without money.  He caved because the big money forced him to!

How?  How did the "big money" force him to endorse Trump?  Do you know this for a fact, or are you best-guessing here?   

[libertybele]

@XenaLee

Beck repeatedly asked Cruz what new information he had that made Trump preferential to Clinton.  Ted gave the false "binary choice" argument.  Beck pressed him, "But you knew all of that at the convention.  What changed?  I'm asking what new information you have."  And he never received a straight response. 

I think he's a solid conservative but I no longer think he's the only man in Washington who hasn't been changed.

There were two things that changed; Cruz received a commitment from the Trump campaign regarding the justices and including Lee's name and Trump's support of his fight for the internet.  That was it.

[Silver Pines]

@Maj. Bill Martin

So he is as consistent and predictable as Hillary is in terms of what he'll do in office?  Rather than argue with that myself, I'll just point out that a lot of other nevertrumpers condemn him because he is unpredictable and cannot be trusted.

I can't answer for what anyone else has said.  All I know is that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  I haven't seen a single thing from Trump that makes me believe I should vote for him. 

Can't you see that you are being incredibly selective about what you choose to believe?  Was he being truthful when he said those things to Scarborough, or just trying to pander to MSNBC voters?  I don't think you're being consistent in rejecting everything conservative he says as being disingenuous, but accepting everything he says that is liberal as reflecting his actual views.  If he is not trustworthy, then both the conservative and the liberal things he says cannot be trusted as reflecting his true views.

Selective?  Seriously?  I'm taking the man at his word.  You, apparently, are trying to invest him with qualities you want him to have.

Trump doesn't have a single accomplishment for the cause of conservatism under his belt.  He does have a history of defending, praising, and donating to Hillary Clinton.  And he's a practiced con man who is very good at telling people what they want to hear.

But he's just not that bright, and he can't help but fly that progressive flag of his, even thought smarter people are there to try to keep him in check.  Good Lord, look at the big government programs he's proposing. 

He can say anything, but conservatives used to look beyond empty words and examine a man's history.

My guess - and that's really all it can be at this point -- is that he's a basic East Coast, Rockefeller Republican.  That is not ever a POV I have espoused, but I see it as preferable to the hard leftism, particularly on social issues, that we'd get from Hillary.  But in any case, that still remains just a guess.  Which leads me right back to preferring the unpredictable, untrustworthy to someone I can predict and trust to do exactly the wrong things.

Well, he said he was "catering" to Republicans right now, so I think that's as far as it goes with him.   I believe Trump has shown us all along what he is.  In addition to his liberalism, he's shockingly ignorant, mentally unstable, and morally repellent. 

[Silver Pines]

There were two things that changed; Cruz received a commitment from the Trump campaign regarding the justices and including Lee's name and Trump's support of his fight for the internet.  That was it.

@libertybele

But again, and as Beck asked, why would Cruz believe a man he said lies about everything?  His response that it was a "public" commitment makes no sense, since Trump lies publicly as easily as the rest of us breathe.

Besides, what happened to that earlier list of judges Trump submitted?  That was a public commitment, too.

Mike Lee--who still refuses to support Trump---said that he does not want to be a justice and it isn't going to happen.

Cruz could have thanked Trump for his support for the internet bill without endorsing him, IMO.  Regardless, the interview this morning was very bad.