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Offline Norm Lenhart

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #700 on: September 26, 2016, 02:22:13 am »
Yeah, well, I do not disagree with you.  I do not mean we are NOW cutting off our nose to spite our face.  I really mean it going forward IF Cruz sticks to his past strengths and this one HORRIBLE action is just an anomaly made under duress.  It will always be there against him.  I agree.  But I will see what he does over the next 2 to 4 years before I decide he is a total bum like all the others.

@Norm Lenhart, it was a great podcast by Daniel Horowitz.

OK think about this. TC had one piece of leverage. As the defacto conservative leader, he had what remains of actual conservatism behind him. Now that's gone.

Going forward he has no leverage. nothing that he can stand on the next time mitch lies to his face. Because like mitch, he caved. I don't see a forward for him. What now seperates him in any way from any other so called conservative in DC? His past? they all did something right in their past before selling out. And their sellouts are why we don't consider any of them trustworthy to begin with. So whats the difference? His name? That isn't worth much anymore as it is associated with Trump support, not conservative principle.


Believe me. I don't take any joy in saying that or hammering him. But facts are facts. And this noble desire we all have to pretend better for people than they earned is not helping us. It is causing us to keep supporting people...just give him a chance!...while the liberals co-opt them right in front of us. You wanna talk about the plantation behavior of democrats? They don't hold a bloody candle to conservatives.

No supposedly conservative pol has any reason to stand on principle when they know damn well that someone (a lot of someones) will pretend away their transgressions out of pure fear that 'there will never be anyone else'. And there we will sit in 4 years, just as I predicted every election since 08, making excuses for 'next time' and fighting over which sellout we all gotta rally behind. Net gain: Liberal..

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #701 on: September 26, 2016, 02:23:47 am »
Add me too! I don't mind being on another list, I'm likely on a bunch already.

Not me. Last time I let someone put me on a list Ed McMahon loaded my mailbox....


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #702 on: September 26, 2016, 02:30:38 am »
You are preaching to the choir.  I was merely trying to give him a chance.

As for the above mentioned list:  It is almost like they stole my buddy list.  But there are some still missing.  Maybe I should message them the rest of the list.

Go for it!  The Trump zealots' "Enemies List" has the finest minds and finest Conservatives on this forum.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #703 on: September 26, 2016, 02:31:54 am »
Then why would he endorsed a leftist nutcase that cannot be trusted to do that...

Because he KNOWS Hillary will appoint the worst liberals imaginable and the thinks that there is a POSSIBILITY that the leftist nutcase might appoint someone good.

Just playin' the odds.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #704 on: September 26, 2016, 02:33:06 am »
You are preaching to the choir.  I was merely trying to give him a chance.

As for the above mentioned list:  It is almost like they stole my buddy list.  But there are some still missing.  Maybe I should message them the rest of the list.

Oh I'm sure they'll have the full set. Leftists are YUUUUGE!!! BELIEVE ME!!! on putting people on lists. (And trains that run on time). They make the biggest most beautiful lists you ever saw. It'll be great.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #705 on: September 26, 2016, 02:34:13 am »
Because he KNOWS Hillary will appoint the worst liberals imaginable and the thinks that there is a POSSIBILITY that the leftist nutcase might appoint someone good.

Just playin' the odds.

Betting on the word of a man you called a pathological liar has a certain pathology of it's own.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #706 on: September 26, 2016, 02:36:45 am »
Not me. Last time I let someone put me on a list Ed McMahon loaded my mailbox....



How did he stuff a whole woman in your mail box? I mean a Volkswagen sure but...

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #707 on: September 26, 2016, 02:41:03 am »
Not me. Last time I let someone put me on a list Ed McMahon loaded my mailbox....



His check bounced.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #708 on: September 26, 2016, 02:43:40 am »
OK think about this. TC had one piece of leverage. As the defacto conservative leader, he had what remains of actual conservatism behind him. Now that's gone.

Going forward he has no leverage. nothing that he can stand on the next time mitch lies to his face.

There was a rumor that Ted endorsed to get his internet bill through the Senate, well the GOP leaders and Democrats kept it out of the spending bill anyway.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #709 on: September 26, 2016, 02:47:38 am »
I don't know how you kept off the list either.  There is at least one other person on the list who is voting for Trump.

Could be the lister is a flaming moron who has no clue whats going on.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #710 on: September 26, 2016, 02:49:47 am »
His check bounced.

LOL. Yup. That Budweiser money didn't hold out as long as he thought it would....




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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #711 on: September 26, 2016, 02:53:47 am »
LOL. Yup. That Budweiser money didn't hold out as long as he thought it would....



So that's how people rolled before the advent of the 12 Pack?   
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #712 on: September 26, 2016, 02:55:19 am »
How did you keep off the list, @geronl?

I don't know. Maybe I'm such a small fish nobody sees me biting at the shark, it's hard to go for the jugular with all those remora hanging on.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #713 on: September 26, 2016, 02:55:45 am »
Everybody wanted us out.

There were overtures. Or something. No doubt it was a tactical "mistake". But with obama I think it was planned. He had an EZ out. The point I am trying to make is that we supposedly were trying to give the Iraqi's freedom. They chose their own sovereignty. You can't justify hindsight. You have to go with the assessment as it occurred. "Bush" put into place the US-Iraq SOFA. We should have tried to negotiate harder, sure, whatever. But the Iraqi's wanted jurisdiction over prosecuting our troops for "off-duty" crimes. I would absolutely not give them that. Keeping troops there, either by force or connivance, isn't really what we supposedly fought for, is it? They wanted their freedom. They got their freedom. And it is a shitshow. It was that before obama took office. ME islamists are only really good at one thing. Shitshows.

I have no problem with people defending their families who had members that served. My nephew served. Evan Vela Carnahan. I am not going to debate his actions here. But I will  debate the way his case was handled. It is my opinion that GWB's mishandling of the entire affair from the get go (the war) is unpardonable as far as his role as POTUS. Instead of  sending a message it opened up the big tent for an extravaganza that islamists excel at.
The MSM was calling the war 'another Vietnam' before the dust settled from the first units crossing the border. They pushed that premise (just as they pushed it during the Vietnam War), that somehow our guys were losing the war, and did every damned thing they could to make that happen. In VIetnam, the media undercut the Military victories, especially the destruction of the VietCong that occurred with Tet, and kept insisting to the folks back home we couldn't win. It has been the same with the War in Afghanistan and Iraq, and when the Democrats got to call the shots they made the loss official if they could. Obama is just following that pattern.

Not one conflict since Korea has had 'lines', but instead has been counterinsurgency warfare. Targets are sometimes questionable, as are the ROE, and our troops are ever at peril for doing their job. I know one Marine who quit over the ROE in Afghanistan, and have no doubt there are others, from any branch with boots on the ground. How bad that was during Bush, vs during Obama, just might be evident by the number of troops not re-upping, and the results.

It's obvious that Obama FUBAR'd a difficult situation, and our troops and the Iraqis (and a host of others) are paying the price. No current Major candidate has the military experience to carry on an extended conflict, and I have little faith that either will listen to the right people or even know when they are.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #714 on: September 26, 2016, 02:56:40 am »
I don't know how you kept off the list either.  There is at least one other person on the list who is voting for Trump.

Many people who agreed to vote for Trump got kicked off TOS, too.  Apparently that is not enough to measure up.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #715 on: September 26, 2016, 02:57:36 am »
There was a rumor that Ted endorsed to get his internet bill through the Senate, well the GOP leaders and Democrats kept it out of the spending bill anyway.

He had to know that after giving Mitch his just deserts that anything he sponsored was doomed. So his whole effectiveness was standing in the breach on various issues. So if thats the case, it even worse because he knew his sellout was for naught. And that would THEN mean it was intentional. Or he's the stupidest man in DC. And I don't believe he's stupid.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #716 on: September 26, 2016, 02:58:54 am »
Many people who agreed to vote for Trump got kicked off TOS, too.  Apparently that is not enough to measure up.

Measure up you say?

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« Reply #717 on: September 26, 2016, 03:01:48 am »
This thread needs more alcohol :beer:

Or perhaps more cowbell.   ****drummer

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #718 on: September 26, 2016, 03:11:19 am »
Not me. Last time I let someone put me on a list Ed McMahon loaded my mailbox....


For the price of a stamp (rapidly approaching the price of a powerball ticket), You get a long shot crack at some money. The stuff dreams are made of.

The rest goes in the firestarter bucket for the fireplace.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #719 on: September 26, 2016, 03:25:12 am »
The Donald is my shepherd I shall not want
He maketh me to lie down in orange pastures
He leadeth me beside the still casinos
He restoreth my drink

Yea though I walk through the valley of the NeverTrumpers, I will fear no evil.

For thou art of the deal. Thy small rod and thy campaign staff, they comfort me.

Thou preparest a speech before mine enemies
Thou annoitest my head with toupee

Surely good polls shall follow
And thou shall dwell in the House of the White forever and ever.
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #720 on: September 26, 2016, 03:42:17 am »
Because he KNOWS Hillary will appoint the worst liberals imaginable and the thinks that there is a POSSIBILITY that the leftist nutcase might appoint someone good.

Just playin' the odds.

That sums up my position to a tee.  A slim chance is better than none
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #721 on: September 26, 2016, 03:43:30 am »
So that's how people rolled before the advent of the 12 Pack?

Yeah. They had smart haircuts but poor beer portability......unlike today....


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #723 on: September 26, 2016, 04:27:15 am »
The Donald is my shepherd I shall not want
He maketh me to lie down in orange pastures
He leadeth me beside the still casinos
He restoreth my drink

Yea though I walk through the valley of the NeverTrumpers, I will fear no evil.

For thou art of the deal. Thy small rod and thy campaign staff, they comfort me.

Thou preparest a speech before mine enemies
Thou annoitest my head with toupee

Surely good polls shall follow
And thou shall dwell in the House of the White forever and ever.

Which part of 2 Corinthians is that from?
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #724 on: September 26, 2016, 07:08:46 am »
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