Cruz: I'm voting for Trump

[Cyber Liberty]

Legitimate debate wins only come when everyone can say what they really think.  So his ridiculous theory is there for all to see.

Yeah, I think it's good to leave that up there too.  Folks will remember his name.

[Smokin Joe]

True story?

True story.

[Smokin Joe]

Some people can't take a joke.

True, that.

[XenaLee]

Except that it has been the practice of the Trump Militant to appeal to the Mods to get such references deleted, scrubbed and banned from utterance.

I have a relative who grew up under the Reich as a young teen, and he says the same exact thing.

I don't understand how removing references to "certain" dangerous points in history is helpful.  Are we to expect that the removal of references to radical Islam and its disastrous effect on our nation will also take place here in America in the future?  Is that what we can expect re: our ever-encroached upon freedom of speech now (under a Trump administration)? 

[kartographer]

You're right. This thread is a national disaster.

This thread became a national disaster on Reply #400 and headed south. We keep getting warnings from the Mods about using the term 'Brownshirts', but what better describes the behavior of creating list, wanting people banned, talking about revenge and retribution for political stands and not knuckling under to your 'superiors'? Call it what you want but the 'sepia' shirt wears are alive and well and making a tremendous come back. Terrific isn't it?

[jmyrlefuller]

It was "horse."  Just like the dog in Petticoat Junction, Do-Right's horse did not have a name.

'Twas a horse named Horse, of course, of course.

[DCPatriot]

...like finding out there's no Santa Claus.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

...like finding out there's no Santa Claus.

 

I so can't figure WTF is going on there.  I could never smile being held by Aunt Esther.  Could that be a cardboard cutout?

[DCPatriot]

I so can't figure WTF is going on there.  I could never smile being held by Aunt Esther.  Could that be a cardboard cutout?

I'm sure they were at the same event and she arranged with a friend to grab a photo that would make him look like,....uh....., President George W. Bush!   Their version.

Anybody could be made to look stupid/unflattering with 5 seconds of video.

[bigheadfred]

 

 

OK. I give up. You people ARE correct. If you look at figures for deaths in Iraq--from the low too the high--one CAN say that the elimination of so many POTENTIAL enemies is a good thing.

Between 156,531 and 175,101 violent civilian deaths since January 2003. Iraq Body Count, a volunteer-led organization, has been counting deaths since near the start of the war. It can only provide an “irrefutable baseline,” it says, because of how it finds evidence: cross‑checking media reports of violent events or of bodies being found with figures from hospitals, morgues, other NGOs and official figures.

At least 151,000 “violent deaths” between 2003 and 2008. This estimate comes from a study by the Iraqi Government in collaboration with the World Health Organization, which surveyed 9,345 households and extrapolated the data. The possible range was enormous: between 80,000 and 234,000 deaths.

461,000 “excess deaths” between 2003 to 2011. This estimate comes from a 2013 survey of 2,000 households by a group of American, Canadian, and Iraqi researchers. Two-thirds of these deaths were found to be due to direct violence, and a third to indirect causes like failed heath systems.

[sinkspur]

They are just showing humanity to each other.  Nothing is being signed and no legislation is being advocated.  Wasn't that at the African American Museum opening event?  What should they do?  Snarl at each other.  It means nothing other than MAYBE similar to the shaking of hands by two boxers before they fight.  Only not even that since neither person is taking up an opposing view at the moment.

I think we need to relearn the art of human kindness regardless of other disagreements.  So to that end, I say it is a nice picture.  Maybe it's the girl in me.  ??  And maybe I'm a hypocrite on that at times.  ??  But I am not going to berate either person in that picture.  The meaning may be deep but it is not broad.

Bush helped secure the funding of the Smithsonian African-American museum over the objections of a lot of Republicans.

[musiclady]

They are just showing humanity to each other.  Nothing is being signed and no legislation is being advocated.  Wasn't that at the African American Museum opening event?  What should they do?  Snarl at each other.  It means nothing other than MAYBE similar to the shaking of hands by two boxers before they fight.  Only not even that since neither person is taking up an opposing view at the moment.

I think we need to relearn the art of human kindness regardless of other disagreements.  So to that end, I say it is a nice picture.  Maybe it's the girl in me.  ??  And maybe I'm a hypocrite on that at times.  ??  But I am not going to berate either person in that picture.  The meaning may be deep but it is not broad.

Don't you realize that being a human being is not permitted in politics?  That kindness is prohibited??

Do you remember how much flak President Bush always took just because he was a gentleman, and well mannered??

It was his worst 'flaw'............... being human.

[musiclady]

Yes.  Trump is a cancer.

Would you mind editing out that third paragraph?  I thought better of what I said. 

(I'm trying to behave myself and not get these Trump guys any madder at me than they already are!)

[musiclady]

What third paragraph?     (done)

You're an angel!   

[bigheadfred]

UPDATE

[Doug Loss]

Syria attacked Jordan?

Was this a large scale military battle?  I usually keep up with such things, but I don't recall anything about that.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/jordan.terror/

[Doug Loss]

As I said earlier, Bush ignored the threats/warnings and let 9/11 happen because it gave him the excuse he needed to go to Iraq and to rape the Constitution(Patriot Act, suspension of habeas corpus, etc).

Man, that's just a complete load of crap.

[Wingnut]

I so can't figure WTF is going on there.  I could never smile being held by Aunt Esther.  Could that be a cardboard cutout?

Now, Esther, you gotta choice. Either you put this paint on, or I put a headlight in your nose and drive you through the Earl Scheib.

[Norm Lenhart]

Would you mind editing out that third paragraph?  I thought better of what I said. 

(I'm trying to behave myself and not get these Trump guys any madder at me than they already are!)

Never, EVER concern yourself with what a bunch of sawed off little wannabees gets angry over. Your time is to valuable to waste it over people of no value.

[Doug Loss]

OK. I give up. You people ARE correct. If you look at figures for deaths in Iraq--from the low too the high--one CAN say that the elimination of so many POTENTIAL enemies is a good thing.

Between 156,531 and 175,101 violent civilian deaths since January 2003. Iraq Body Count, a volunteer-led organization, has been counting deaths since near the start of the war. It can only provide an “irrefutable baseline,” it says, because of how it finds evidence: cross‑checking media reports of violent events or of bodies being found with figures from hospitals, morgues, other NGOs and official figures.

At least 151,000 “violent deaths” between 2003 and 2008. This estimate comes from a study by the Iraqi Government in collaboration with the World Health Organization, which surveyed 9,345 households and extrapolated the data. The possible range was enormous: between 80,000 and 234,000 deaths.

461,000 “excess deaths” between 2003 to 2011. This estimate comes from a 2013 survey of 2,000 households by a group of American, Canadian, and Iraqi researchers. Two-thirds of these deaths were found to be due to direct violence, and a third to indirect causes like failed heath systems.

"Violent civilian deaths?" "Excess deaths?" You do realize there was a WAR going on there, right?  And any civilians who were thought to be aiding the US (whether true or not) were targeted by the Sunni insurgent fighters.  Your numbers aren't even laughable, they're totally meaningless.

[musiclady]

"Violent civilian deaths?" "Excess deaths?" You do realize there was a WAR going on there, right?  And any civilians who were thought to be aiding the US (whether true or not) were targeted by the Sunni insurgent fighters.  Your numbers aren't even laughable, they're totally meaningless.

Let's see now............ how many Jews, Poles and Gypsies were killed in concentration camps during the years the Allies were fighting in Europe in WWII?  How much worse did it get the closer we came to victory?  Was it our fault they died because we were trying to liberate them from an evil dictator?

The left can use numbers to warp reality as much as they want, but it does matter WHO was doing the killing.

Those innocent Iraqis being killed were killed by terrorists in their own country.  Blaming those deaths on us is preposterous.

One can argue about the wisdom of invading Iraq and both sides have solid points, but calling Bush, or worse, our TROOPS killers is just vile.

[Chosen Daughter]

How can you be so blind to what you have become? Such a purge won't stop there it will cross over into the real world and I believe that is what so many Trump supporters want, they want to punish people who don't believe and then they wonder where the Fascist  talk comes from? Trump supporters talk about keeping list on conservative opponents for payback later, they talk about revenge and retribution and how they will make the 'traitors' pay after Trump takes office is this what America has become?

Now some would claim, that such behavior is only committed by few or at other sites like TOS, but the real heart of the matter is that other Trump supporters stood by and said nothing and that is where such militants get their power when good men say nothing. And that is what is happening here.

Everyone on that list are loyal God fearing Americans many have sacrificed for this country and not one of them are afraid to do so when or if called upon. 

So I am making a stand here DC please add my name to the list. And if my tag line isn't enough warning then read this: When you decide you have the cojones to come for your payback, I am giving you fair warning come carrying and bring friends; that's more of a warning than I am sure to expect from you or any of your cronies.

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@kartographer

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

Daniel 3New International Version (NIV)

The Image of Gold and the Blazing Furnace

3 King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, sixty cubits high and six cubits wide,[a] and set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. 2 He then summoned the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials to come to the dedication of the image he had set up. 3 So the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials assembled for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before it.

4 Then the herald loudly proclaimed, “Nations and peoples of every language, this is what you are commanded to do: 5 As soon as you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, you must fall down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. 6 Whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace.”


This election has gone beyond a political candidate.  Send me to the furnace!

[Norm Lenhart]

"Violent civilian deaths?" "Excess deaths?" You do realize there was a WAR going on there, right?  And any civilians who were thought to be aiding the US (whether true or not) were targeted by the Sunni insurgent fighters.  Your numbers aren't even laughable, they're totally meaningless.

Just as a general statement/observation intended for no one in particular:

Most of the people on this planet have completely lost perspective about war, it's purpose, and what happens. Thats pretty much because the last people to really experience a true 'war', one fought as wars are fought, are now dead. WW2 was a long time ago.

Yes there have been 'Wars' since. But thanks to liberal ideas about 'smart war' and 'police actions' and 'limited engagements', people think war is a safe thing where no one gets killed except a handful of soldiers on the other side. That 'surgical strikes' can 'minimize collateral damage' and that after a couple volleys, the bad guys disappear and we all go watch the ball game.

Doesn't work that way folks. The idea that we can wage limited war is a case of category error writ large. There ain't no such animal.

[bigheadfred]

"Violent civilian deaths?" "Excess deaths?" You do realize there was a WAR going on there, right?  And any civilians who were thought to be aiding the US (whether true or not) were targeted by the Sunni insurgent fighters.  Your numbers aren't even laughable, they're totally meaningless.

They aren't my numbers. All those Iraqi deaths are meaningless. I like that.  You make a very good case.  Using your logic all the deaths accrued through the HOLOCAUST were meaningless. Congratulations.

[musiclady]

Never, EVER concern yourself with what a bunch of sawed off little wannabees gets angry over. Your time is to valuable to waste it over people of no value.

It's a bit selfish on my part, Norm....  I've been targeted by 3 Trump zealots in as many days  (see the list above) and have been accused of stalking, picking on, being a "pet" of mystery, and worse.

You can just say I'm trying to save myself time and energy by getting the hounds off my trail.  They are without boundaries these days.....