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Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« on: September 22, 2016, 04:15:59 am »
Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump
by Erick Erickson  |  September 21, 2016, 05:36pm

http://theresurgent.com/coming-to-terms-with-trump/



The polling has drawn ever closer. More and more people wonder if those of us who are NeverTrump should finally yield knowing that we can beat Hillary Clinton. I am in an odd position. I am mindful that should Trump win, the Republican establishment will blame people like me for giving rise to Trump. Likewise, I know if Trump loses, the Republican establishment will blame people like me for giving rise to Trump and Trump supporters will blame people like me for his loss. I suppose I should say not that I’m in an odd position, but that I am in a no-win position.

With Donald Trump’s rise in the polls and the increasingly competitive nature of the race, it is time to reconsider my opposition to Trump. After all, I view Hillary Clinton’s candidacy as anti-American.

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At least with Trump we might, might, get a better Supreme Court. We might get better cabinet picks. In fact, in terms of my view of the country the odds are pretty great that my side has a greater chance of prevailing with Trump than Clinton. What most would identify as my side would have control of the Executive Branch and the powers of appointment and regulation that come with it.

So I should at least here and now, as the race draws close, reconsider my opposition to Trump.

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In so doing, I have to admit that while I may view Hillary Clinton’s campaign as anti-American, I view Donald Trump’s campaign as un-American.

The American spirit eschews the idea of a strong man in Washington fixing all our problems. We are supposed to be against the imposition of values set by Washington and instead should embrace our heterogeneity as a people. Not only does Donald Trump not do that, but his views pervert the liberal order of things as much as Clintonian illiberalism. Clinton offers a tyranny of the minority and Trump offers a tyranny of the majority. Clinton offers neither safety nor freedom and Trump offers safety at the expense of freedom. While I see Clinton as having no virtue, I see Donald Trump corrupting the virtuous and fostering hatred, racism, and dangerous strains of nationalism.

More importantly, while I think Hillary Clinton will do long term damage to the country, I believe Donald Trump will do far more damage to the church, which must be my chief priority. A Clinton Administration may see the church besieged from the outside, but a Trump Administration will see the church poisoned from within.

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Here now is a man in Donald Trump who sees no need to be saved and has no understanding of a faith he professes. And he sees Christians cheering him on in his rebellious state, defending him when they blasted others for the very same sins.

The whole purpose of shunning the unrepenant sinner is to drive him to God. Yet, Christians in America are cheering on this rebellious sinner providing him no reason at all to repent. American Christians in politics are so busy trying to save their political interests they are ignoring scripture and losing a soul to hell. Saying they’ll pray for Trump flies in the face of the admonition of scripture. We should not put off the steps to push Trump toward reconciliation with his Lord in hopes he gets the Presidency. Then it makes it less likely he will reconcile in that distracted state and more likely we lose a soul to hell.

All Christendom should be ashamed we are putting our needs in this temporary place ahead of saving a soul bound for eternity.

That I see so many Christians justifying Donald Trump’s immorality, defining deviancy down, and turning to anger and despondency about the future tells me I cannot in good faith support Donald Trump because his victory would have lasting, damaging consequences for Christianity in America. We harm our witness and the testimony of the strength of our Lord by embracing the immoral, unrepentant strong man. We harm our American virtue by buying into the idea that one man can make America great again. Further, we risk losing Donald Trump’s soul for the sake of our selfishness.

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...If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there. To think otherwise is to think God is not God.

I think Hillary Clinton will do lasting damage to the country. I cannot vote for her.

Having reconsidered my opposition to Trump, I think Donald Trump will do lasting damage to the witness of the Church in America and I therefore cannot vote for him.

I am without a candidate. I just cannot vote for either one. Whichever is elected, it is God’s will and as his holy and inerrant scripture commands, I will pray for my President as I pray for the current President. But I will not harm my witness nor risk Trump’s soul to serve my political desires.

The chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. I do not believe a vote for either candidate glorifies God and I am certain neither advances his kingdom.

Excerpted.  Read more at http://theresurgent.com/coming-to-terms-with-trump/
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 04:21:08 am »
Mmmmm Jesusy.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 04:24:24 am »
If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there.

Pretty well sums it up.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 04:26:00 am »
Did God want Trump to win the GOP nomination?

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 04:26:07 am »
Mmmmm Jesusy.

 There is a couple shakes of MSG in it to bring out the flavor.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 04:27:24 am »
Did God want Trump to win the GOP nomination?

Nah. He was a Gilmore guy.


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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2016, 04:28:36 am »
Did God want Trump to win the GOP nomination?

God lets us make our own mistakes.
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2016, 05:01:02 am »
Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump
by Erick Erickson  |  September 21, 2016, 05:36pm

The chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. I do not believe a vote for either candidate glorifies God and I am certain neither advances his kingdom.

Excerpted.  Read more at http://theresurgent.com/coming-to-terms-with-trump/

Oh, I guess that continuing your support for abortion profiteers is more Christian huh Eric you freaking POS FRAUD?
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2016, 05:02:18 am »
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 02:11:02 pm »
Very good article.  Erickson caught hell on social media from a bunch of people who apparently read headlines and nothing else.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2016, 02:33:09 pm »
Whether Trump wins the election is apparently God's will, but Trump winning the GOP nomination wasn't? On what criteria does God decide to intervene in our election?

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2016, 02:53:37 pm »
The title reeks of misleading click-bait....but I agree with the substance of the article.  It's in God's hands, so I don't feel the need to do a thing but vote my conscience this November.  MY conscience.
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2016, 02:55:39 pm »
Whether Trump wins the election is apparently God's will, but Trump winning the GOP nomination wasn't? On what criteria does God decide to intervene in our election?

God has apparently willed that America will be punished, either way, this November.  And as a nation that has fallen away from God and into sin and infanticide (not to mention selling baby parts), I can see His point.
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2016, 02:57:42 pm »
God has apparently willed that America will be punished, either way, this November.  And as a nation that has fallen away from God and into sin and infanticide (not to mention selling baby parts), I can see His point.


I would think God would want to get the person in there most likely to restrict abortion in there? Punishing America by killing babies... sound like an a-hole to me?

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2016, 03:08:05 pm »
I would think God would want to get the person in there most likely to restrict abortion in there? Punishing America by killing babies... sound like an a-hole to me?

Do you listen to yourself?
God isn't killing babies, WE are.
If it comes down to God fixing it, it ain't going to be by election.
WE can fix it by election. If WE repent, If WE turn from wickedness THEN he will heal our land. Till then we are on our own, and if we don't fix things shortly, we will get wrath instead.
He's not the a-hole, we are.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2016, 03:13:12 pm »
Do you listen to yourself?
God isn't killing babies, WE are.
If it comes down to God fixing it, it ain't going to be by election.
WE can fix it by election. If WE repent, If WE turn from wickedness THEN he will heal our land. Till then we are on our own, and if we don't fix things shortly, we will get wrath instead.
He's not the a-hole, we are.

Don't take it up with me, dude. Erick Erichson wrote the following:

"...If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there. To think otherwise is to think God is not God."

I'm just wondering why getting Trump in the WH is up to God but getting Trump as the GOP nominee wasn't? Or maybe it was?

So why does God want the worst candidate for GOP (and Trump is the worst IMO)? Doesn't make any sense to me.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2016, 03:27:02 pm »
Don't take it up with me, dude. Erick Erichson wrote the following:

"...If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there. To think otherwise is to think God is not God."

I'm just wondering why getting Trump in the WH is up to God but getting Trump as the GOP nominee wasn't? Or maybe it was?

So why does God want the worst candidate for GOP (and Trump is the worst IMO)? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Perhaps you did not read the source article. Here is the full paragraph that one-line quote is pulled from:

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Lastly, for those who compare Trump to Cyrus, God never asked his people to support Cyrus’s cause, only to accept him as their ruler. God never asks his people to choose between the lesser of two evils. God uses all men, from pharaoh to Trump. And he can do so without making Christians endorse the person’s sins. God did not tell the Jews to throw open the gates of Jerusalem for Nebuchadnezzar. God did that himself. God shut the door of the ark and brought the rain and dried again the land. God raises us from the dust of the earth and he stitched us together in our mothers’ wombs. He holds the entire universe in the palm of his hand. God can see us through all things if we aren’t so busy pretending his will and exercising pretended divine authority. His will be done. If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there. To think otherwise is to think God is not God.

As I read it, the author of the piece is saying if God wants Trump in the White House (as some people are claiming) then God has the power to put Trump in the White House, without the author's help.

Context usually aids clarity.
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2016, 03:31:24 pm »
Don't take it up with me, dude. Erick Erichson wrote the following:

"...If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there. To think otherwise is to think God is not God."

I'm just wondering why getting Trump in the WH is up to God but getting Trump as the GOP nominee wasn't? Or maybe it was?

So why does God want the worst candidate for GOP (and Trump is the worst IMO)? Doesn't make any sense to me.

It makes perfect sense to me - Erickson is downplaying the pressure put upon Christians to vote for Trump. If God wants him in there, God can put him in there, regardless of me, or you, or Erickson soiling our values to vote for him.

He is not saying that God is doing ANYTHING. Note the IF. It's a simple if/then statement. And it is posed against those who would have us think that the lesser evil is God's choice.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2016, 03:41:55 pm »
Seems like a lot of pretzel logic to me.  If Erickson does not support Trump, he can at least use his megaphone to call out Hillary Clinton and then let everyone vote their conscience.  By wasting ink to lambaste Trump he only lends credence to those who will blame him for a GOP defeat.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2016, 04:04:22 pm »
Seems like a lot of pretzel logic to me.  If Erickson does not support Trump, he can at least use his megaphone to call out Hillary Clinton and then let everyone vote their conscience.  By wasting ink to lambaste Trump he only lends credence to those who will blame him for a GOP defeat.

Trump needs to be lambasted - Every single day - Lest anyone is left with the notion that he is in any way an acceptable choice... Being quiet about Trump is acquiescence. Acquiescence is acceptance.
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2016, 04:06:31 pm »
Seems like a lot of pretzel logic to me.  If Erickson does not support Trump, he can at least use his megaphone to call out Hillary Clinton and then let everyone vote their conscience.  By wasting ink to lambaste Trump he only lends credence to those who will blame him for a GOP defeat.


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Erickson calls Hillary out quite a bit in the article, and regularly on his twitter feed and in articles he writes for The Resurgent.

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2016, 05:06:55 pm »
Well, I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'll be voting for Trump even though he has not shot of winning in Illinois. 
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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2016, 05:07:49 pm »
If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there.

Pretty well sums it up.

It's a dumb argument.  That logic would mean that none of us really needed to vote for Reagan either, because if God wanted him in there, he didn't need my vote.

I think God leaves elections up to us. 

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Re: Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2016, 05:08:34 pm »
"The chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. I do not believe a vote for either candidate glorifies God and I am certain neither advances his kingdom."

Seems Mr. Erickson is a fundamentalist Christian.  From the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
What is the chief end of man?  The chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever.

I think I like the guy.   8888forgot