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« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2016, 07:13:05 pm »

Your an a**hole yourself....


Maybe so,  but everything I said about George Herbert Walker "born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush was absolutely true. 


We owe that man for the  degradation of our nation and our society.   It is *HIS*  fault that we had to suffer under that human garbage known as Bill Clinton.   


All Herbert had to do was keep his F***ing word.   That's it.   The fate of the world was changed by his broken promise. 


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« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2016, 07:15:10 pm »
I don't believe it's as 'few' as you think.  The Bushes (all of them) were decent people and good leaders.  They were honest and patriotic and family centered.  I still love W... he goes to Ranger's games.  He's a really nice guy.

It's become fashionable lately to trash the Bushes ... probably started by Trump.  Well, definitely started by Trump and fueled by people who did not want Jeb.  I didn't want Jeb either but I'd walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him today.

A lot of people made the mistake of wanting perfect and ending up with Trump.  How sad is that?

I've never been particularly interested in being "fashionable."  Never had a need to be in the "in crowd."

That's why I stuck my conservative head out here and said I respected HW.  And I DO.

If Trump were half the man either Bush was, he'd be respectable too.  We could use some honor about now.

Instead we have an ignorant, debauched, corrupt, vile little leftist.

I see very little hope for the future of the country.
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« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2016, 07:16:29 pm »
I haven't given a crap about Bush Sr. since the NWO "thousand points of light"

Jeb and the rest of the Bush family need to put on their big girl panties.

'cept George P. ...

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« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2016, 07:17:14 pm »
Nope.  I'm with you.  I consider him a man of integrity, character, and grace and wish we had more like him.

Politics and political service is so nasty these days that good men risk ruin of reputation if they run.  Cruz is but one example.


Backstabbing liars who wrecked the future of their country?   Why on earth would we ever want any more of those?   


People don't get it.   By breaking his word,  Bush altered the fate of the world in a very bad way.   That was a nexus point of history,  and Bush chose the wrong direction.   


He handed the election to Clinton with that one broken promise,  and it undid all the good he had ever accomplished in his lifetime.     


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« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2016, 07:19:29 pm »

Maybe so,  but everything I said about George Herbert Walker "born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush was absolutely true. 


We owe that man for the  degradation of our nation and our society.   It is *HIS*  fault that we had to suffer under that human garbage known as Bill Clinton.   


All Herbert had to do was keep his F***ing word.   That's it.   The fate of the world was changed by his broken promise.

All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.

Wonder what that means, and who you look up to?   :pondering:
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« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2016, 07:21:11 pm »
This is exactly what I had come to hate on TOS.  Once upon a time we would see an article like this posted and we would research and prove rather it was true or not before anybody got theirselves in a tizzy over it.  Now anything on the Internet is quoted and spread like its the gospel truth even among us.


It has been confirmed as true by Herbert taking the fifth amendment. 


Only the guilty will invoke "Privacy" in regards to not supporting their party's candidate.   


 


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Re: George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2016, 07:23:11 pm »
All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.

Wonder what that means, and who you look up to?   :pondering:

Ann Richards.....another typical leftist Democrat.  The only ones that look up to her are other typical leftist Democrats.
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Re: George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2016, 07:24:14 pm »

Well, you could just take the Bush spokesman at their word.  It's entirely possible that they meant just what they said, even in this treacherous world.

I routinely tell people that we have a secret ballot in this country, and that my vote is my business.  That statement is neither a confirmation nor a denial of support for any candidate, but rather a nod to our political heritage.  I respect others who do the same.



When you "take the fifth"  you are effectively admitting guilt.   


Bush always did treat us as if we were stupid. 


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« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2016, 07:24:32 pm »

Well, you could just take the Bush spokesman at their word.  It's entirely possible that they meant just what they said, even in this treacherous world.

But I am taking them at their word.  Here's exactly what was said:

“The vote President Bush will cast as a private citizen in some 50 days will be just that: a private vote cast in some 50 days,” a spokesman for Bush told ABC News. “He is not commenting on the presidential race in the interim.”

So "taking them at their word", he is going to vote in 50 days, and will not comment on the Presidential race in the interim".  Great -- I accept that as completely true.

But taking all of that as completely true does not address Kennedy Townsend's statement that he told her he was voting for Hillary, which was the entire impetus for the spokesman to make a statement at all it.  It is not a denial.  So again, if the point was to set the record straight, why not say that the story is not true, and that he did not tell her that he was voting for Hillary?

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I routinely tell people that we have a secret ballot in this country, and that my vote is my business.  That statement is neither a confirmation nor a denial of support for any candidate, but rather a nod to our political heritage.  I respect others who do the same.

Great.  But if you were a public figure, and another public figure falsely stated that you had said "I'm voting for Trump", wouldn't you want to deny that statement so that the lie doesn't remain unchallenged?
Again, I don't expect him to deny that he's voting for Hillary.  But I would expect him to deny that he told a prominent public person that he's voting for her.  In other words -- make the point you're making right now.

"The President did not tell Ms. Townsend that he is voting for Ms. Clinton, and who he actually intends to vote for is something he prefers to keep private."
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« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2016, 07:32:00 pm »
It's a leap to assume that the Bushes don't like Trump because he is rude to them.  The Bushes are not political novices.  They've had insults painted upon them in layers over the years.


And we know this because of how easily Bush won his second term instead of losing to a smarmy, corrupt, Lying,  drug smoking, communist. draft dodging coward rapist.    Yeah,  ole Herbert  sure is a master of politics.     


If indeed they do not vote for Trump, it's much more likely that they consider him too ignorant and unqualified for the office.  And that is something they would know.


Compared to NAZI-FREAKIN-CLINTON?      That's like saying Joseph Stalin (Mass murderer)  has more executive experience than   Nelson Mandela.    It completely misses the point that the "experience"  and "knowledge"  are all exactly wrong.   


But this is the sort of thing I have come to expect from the Rockefeller wing of the Party. 


You can throw a dart at a phone book and find a less horrible candidate than Hillary. 


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Re: George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2016, 07:32:21 pm »

Maybe so,  but everything I said about George Herbert Walker "born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush was absolutely true. 


We owe that man for the  degradation of our nation and our society.   It is *HIS*  fault that we had to suffer under that human garbage known as Bill Clinton.   


All Herbert had to do was keep his F***ing word.   That's it.   The fate of the world was changed by his broken promise.


Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....

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Re: George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
« Reply #86 on: September 20, 2016, 07:37:03 pm »
All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.

Wonder what that means, and who you look up to?   :pondering:

Ann Richards.  She used to drink breakfast with Molly Ivins and then they'd drink lunch.  What a horrible lady and her daughter carries on her legacy.
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Re: George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
« Reply #87 on: September 20, 2016, 07:37:08 pm »
When I lived in Baltimore I used to work a side job doing admin support for a not-for-profit org. Basically it was an org promoting the idea of women breaking the glass ceiling in business and getting on more corporate boards, mentoring young business women, yada, yada, yada.  A lot of the members were themselves female corporate executives, business owners, attorneys - many of them partners in big Baltimore or DC area firms, a few State and a few Federal judges, a few politicians - a pretty “well heeled” group of women.

Although some of the org’s members I worked with over the years were real PITA’s, some were great and for me, it was a great networking opportunity and a resume enhancer in addition to the additional income. (Nothing like having a CEO of one Baltimore’s biggest companies, an editor of the Baltimore Business Journal and a former (Republican) Congress Woman as professional references).

Every year they held a big luncheon and that’s when I did the most work; preparing and mailing out invitations, tracking reservations in a database I developed for that purpose, some years even doing the bank deposits of checks I picked up from the PO box, helping with the table assignments, reaching out to the corporate sponsors to get their guest list, creating and printing the guest lists and printing name badges, overseeing the registration tables and the volunteers and dealing with any last minute problems and dealing with the VIP guests.

And these were pretty big events and they had some very high profile speakers over the year I worked for them, including, Lea Rabin, Jehan Sadat, Coretta Scott King, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Madeleine K. Albright, and my favorite – former Prime Minister, Lady Margaret Thatcher.

It was at the Thatcher event where I encountered Kathleen Kennedy Townsend when she was serving as Lieutenant Governor of Maryland (she was a VIP guest and not a member of the org).

Prior to the event, I already had an impression of Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and my brief encounter with her only confirmed it – she was dumber than a box of hair, and nasty to boot.

It was just before Lady Thatcher was about to speak; I was standing in the back of the room, making sure any late attendees quickly found their seats, and KKT who had already been seated, came up to me to ask me where the ladies room was.  I gave her directions – something like “go through the double doors and go right, then at the corridor, go left, you will see the rest rooms to your right”, and she just stood there looking at me with a blank stare as if this was way too complicated for her to comprehend and I ended up having to walk her to it. She actually demanded that I do so and actually saying to me at one point - “Don’t you know who I am? I am the Lieutenant Governor!”

She also had a plain clothed State Police security escort with her and while she went into the lady’s room, he went into the men’s room, but before he did, he politely asked me to stay outside the lady’s room in case KKT came back out before he did.  When KKT came out and she didn’t see her State Police security escort, she panicked. She basically walked around in circles and kept calling (actually yelling) out his name over and over again and then asking me if I had seen where he went, asking me to page the hotel security.

I told her that he went to the men’s room and would be right back out and she went ballistic (sorry, perhaps “ballistic” is a poor choice of words when it comes to a Kennedy).  :silly:

But I recall saying to her: “Well, when you got to go, you’ve got to go”.

When he came out of the men’s room, she yelled at him and admonished him for not standing outside the door of the lady’s room to wait for her to come out, saying; “I can never, never, ever be left alone and unguarded, NEVER!!! - you m-f-ing idiot!!!”

OK, perhaps he broke protocol, but never mind the fact that the security for this event, being that Lady Thatcher was the guest speaker was already extremely high.

And I knew this all too well because I had to provide the final guest list to Lady’s Thatcher’s Scotland Yard detail several days in advance and even had to submit my personal information for them to perform a background check on me (and I think the US Secret Service was also involved) and I also had to show up several hours before the luncheon to go over their security requirements for screening or alerting them to any suspicious persons, anyone trying to get in who wasn’t on the guest list, and also facilitated and worked with the hotel’s security staff to work with Scotland Yard on their sweeping the area with bomb sniffing dogs and setting up metal detectors.

And the poor MD state Police escort; as he walked away from me with KKT storming off in front of him, he looked back at me and mouthed “I’m sorry” and then rolled his eyes.

I can only imagine that working on Hillary’s SS detail could possibly be a worse assignment.

I wouldn’t trust this woman as far as I could throw her nor would I assume anything she says is true.

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« Reply #88 on: September 20, 2016, 07:39:02 pm »

Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....

You should probably ease up on the names.
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« Reply #89 on: September 20, 2016, 07:42:43 pm »

Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....

Total Amen to that.  It was Ross Perot that cost us that election not anything that George H.W. Bush said or did.

H. Ross Perot was a saner forerunner to trump.  He was bombastic and attacked the things people hated.  And his voters were as stupid as trump voters.  THEY GAVE us the Clinton dynasty.  Right after the election I saw a man in Sears wearing a t-shirt that said "Don't blame me... I voted for Perot."

A true Perot voter ... proud of his own stupidity.  If that gentleman is alive today, he is probably firmly in the trump camp and proud of it.
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« Reply #90 on: September 20, 2016, 07:55:38 pm »
Ann Richards.  She used to drink breakfast with Molly Ivins and then they'd drink lunch.  What a horrible lady and her daughter carries on her legacy.

Maybe an even worse legacy, if that's possible....

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Oh, and btw, Donald Trump thinks they're just great.   **nononono*
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« Reply #91 on: September 20, 2016, 08:00:43 pm »
Maybe an even worse legacy, if that's possible....

Planned Parenthood is the most evil organization in the country.


Oh, and btw, Donald Trump thinks they're just great.   **nononono*

Absolutely correct.  Cecile Richards (if that's her name) boasts of her 'industry' and makes tons of money off of it.  Where is the place in hell for people who make a fortunate off of killing the innocent?

And Trump thinks PP does great things for women.
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« Reply #92 on: September 20, 2016, 08:07:22 pm »

It has been confirmed as true by Herbert taking the fifth amendment.   

I could understand that argument if he'd actual remained silent.  But that's not what happened.  He actually had a spokesman come out and make a statement.  It's just that the statement did not include a denial of the underlying claim that prompted them to make a statement in the first place.

That's what makes it so odd.  Remain silent, or deny.  But to not remain silent and not deny....huh?

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« Reply #93 on: September 20, 2016, 08:10:23 pm »
You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.

A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.

Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.
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« Reply #94 on: September 20, 2016, 08:26:37 pm »
I seriously doubt if this is true.  He might not vote for Trump and I would not blame him but I'm pretty sure he won't vote for Hillary.

I don't believe it either.  It's totally in the realm of possibility this Kennedy Townsend broad is lying through her teeth to embarrass the Bushes.
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« Reply #95 on: September 20, 2016, 08:35:46 pm »
All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.


The reason it stung is because it was obvious for everyone to see.  Bush Sr,  born to Connecticut Elite Royalty,  (Senator "Prescott Bush")  lived a life of wealth and privilege to the extent that he had no touch with the common man.   

He was always putting his foot in his elite Limousine Liberal mouth. 


Wonder what that means, and who you look up to?   :pondering:


What it means is that "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile."   Ann Richards got this one right. 

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« Reply #96 on: September 20, 2016, 08:43:38 pm »

Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....


I did not vote for Ross Perot.  As a matter of fact,  once I realized how horrible was Bill Clinton,   I went to Republican campaign headquarters and volunteered to walk the precincts on behalf of George Herbert Walker Bush.   I contributed much money and worked hard campaigning for that @$$wipe,   and for that I think I shall forever resent that stupid @$$ for losing.   (But he won my state handily.)   


But since you bring up Ross Perot,  we have exactly the same situation now.   We have a disgusting,  corrupt,  lying immoral Clinton on the ballot,  and we have people talking about voting for some third party candidate who does not have a hope in H3ll of winning.   

Are you suggesting that these modern day "Ross Perot Voters"   are @$$holes who should be blamed if a Clinton wins?


If I held my nose to vote for Herbert Bush,  then people ought to be able to hold their nose and vote against Clinton. 

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« Reply #97 on: September 20, 2016, 08:50:10 pm »
Total Amen to that.  It was Ross Perot that cost us that election not anything that George H.W. Bush said or did.


No.  Vehemently no!   George Herbert Walker Bush singlehandedly created the Ross Perot Candidacy.   Had that STUPID @$$ not broken his word,   there never would have been a Ross Perot candidacy.   


  Bush lost the election because he lied,  and because he lied,  he could not call that pathological Liar named "Bill Clinton"  a "Liar."   


Bush threw away the character issue,  and didn't get a D@mn thing in return for his blunder.  Nope,  the Democrats with whom he made the deal to break his promise didn't keep their end of the bargain.   


Dumbo Herbert got pantsed by the Democrats just as everyone predicted he would if he was so stupid as to try to make a "deal"  with them.   


Bush's problem is that he thought they were his friends.   He probably still believes that.   





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« Reply #98 on: September 20, 2016, 08:52:23 pm »
I could understand that argument if he'd actual remained silent.  But that's not what happened.  He actually had a spokesman come out and make a statement.  It's just that the statement did not include a denial of the underlying claim that prompted them to make a statement in the first place.

That's what makes it so odd.  Remain silent, or deny.  But to not remain silent and not deny....huh?


I was using "taking the fifth"  as a metaphor for what he did.    Yes,  when you speak up,  but do not affirm  what an innocent man would say,   you are tacitly admitting guilt.   

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« Reply #99 on: September 20, 2016, 09:02:55 pm »

I was using "taking the fifth"  as a metaphor for what he did.    Yes,  when you speak up,  but do not affirm  what an innocent man would say,   you are tacitly admitting guilt.

Almost all the Bushes are politicians, so they'll say all sorts of smarmy things.  I can't really use the normal rules to discern lies.
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