Trump stumbles after surge in polls

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 By Harper Neidig and Jonathan Easley - 09/17/16 02:47 PM EDT

After several weeks of positive news cycles and polling gains brought about by a more disciplined campaign, Donald Trump has committed a series of stumbles in recent days that experts see as a return to “bad Trump.”

GOP strategists are urging Trump to get back on track before the first presidential debate in nine days, while Democrats are exhaling after a week of panic brought on by Hillary Clinton's own setbacks.

Trump has seemed to slip back into his primary-election style, stirring up controversy and lashing out at critics as he rode a wave of quickly improving poll numbers.

Democratic strategist Jim Manley said the latest batch of Trump incidents have prompted him to issue a “mea culpa” after he publicly fretted about a newly-disciplined Trump.

“A couple days ago, I was somewhat concerned with Trump’s ability to show some discipline on the campaign trail,” Manley said. “After last night, I won't ever have to worry about that again.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/296470-trump-stumbles-after-surge-in-polls

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Stumbled? How?

[Longmire]

Stumbled? How?

Who the hell knows...these stories are written by partisan idiots using regurgitated Democrat talking points.

[XenaLee]

By Harper Neidig and Jonathan Easley - 09/17/16 02:47 PM EDT

After several weeks of positive news cycles and polling gains brought about by a more disciplined campaign, Donald Trump has committed a series of stumbles in recent days that experts see as a return to “bad Trump.”

GOP strategists are urging Trump to get back on track before the first presidential debate in nine days, while Democrats are exhaling after a week of panic brought on by Hillary Clinton's own setbacks.

Trump has seemed to slip back into his primary-election style, stirring up controversy and lashing out at critics as he rode a wave of quickly improving poll numbers.

Democratic strategist Jim Manley said the latest batch of Trump incidents have prompted him to issue a “mea culpa” after he publicly fretted about a newly-disciplined Trump.

“A couple days ago, I was somewhat concerned with Trump’s ability to show some discipline on the campaign trail,” Manley said. “After last night, I won't ever have to worry about that again.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/296470-trump-stumbles-after-surge-in-polls

I disagree with this statement somewhat:

“When Trump is not on message and stirring controversy, he seems bored,” GOP strategist Nino Saviano said. “The media, for its part, doesn’t feel that much different.”

I posit that Trump IS bored when he is having to be 'on message', on script and on teleprompter, which is why he goes off message and off script.... and reverts back to opening his big mouth, saying outrageous things and therefore, creating and stirring more controversy.  He likes to be the topic of discussion at all times.  He loves the chaos and the attention.  The term attention whore comes to mind.

[truthkeeper]

On message, off message, none of it matters to Queen Hillary's lapdog supplicants.

Trump can say "Obama was born in the US...PERIOD," as he did and it's not good enough.  It will never be good enough because it's not about facts and reality.  It's about promoting a narrative and since we are not children here it's not necessary for me to into the substance of that narrative.  We have seen it play out for years.

Queenie, OTOH, after days on her back from a mystery illness, is treated to hard-hitting inquiries like "How ARE you??"  and "What were you watching on television?"

And it shall always be so.

At this point frankly my dear I don't give a damn.  The "Media" has now become so over the top in its rabid dogginess that even the dumb sheep are finally beginning to get it.  And it's about time.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time..."

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I disagree with this statement somewhat:

I posit that Trump IS bored when he is having to be 'on message', on script and on teleprompter, which is why he goes off message and off script.... and reverts back to opening his big mouth, saying outrageous things and therefore, creating and stirring more controversy.  He likes to be the topic of discussion at all times.  He loves the chaos and the attention.  The term attention whore comes to mind.

I was willing to back trump, now that he's back to this Twitter idiocy, having second thoughts.

Sigh.

[truthkeeper]

It's the MEDIA that has been hot to trot to unearth the birther crap, not Trump.

As for pointing out Hillary's hypocrisy regarding gun control, I didn't see one thing wrong with that when he said it and I was watching it live.  What is wrong with discussing how the Queen has one set of rules yet we are expected to live by another?

Unless of course you actually expect him to never open his mouth about anything again.  Because that is exactly what it would take for the Ministers of Propaganda to not warp and twist his words to fit their pre-determined agenda.

Or am I the only one who has noticed that?

[XenaLee]

I was willing to back trump, now that he's back to this Twitter idiocy, having second thoughts.

Sigh.

Here's another take on Donald's persona.

What Eric fails to understand....the 'what happens' is.....Trump gets cocky again.  And when Trump is cocky, he is very off message and unlikable.  Just my two cents.

Eric Schiffer, an independent political consultant, said Trump seems to revert to more aggressive form whenever he is doing well and his polls are up: "Something happens, and he seems to lose the discipline that has helped him."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/after-period-of-discipline-trump-turns-more-aggressive/ar-BBwhmOg?li=BBnb7Kz

[Longmire]

On message, off message, none of it matters to Queen Hillary's lapdog supplicants.

So true...Glenn Beck of all people recently played a compilation of media reports all using the phrase 'powered through' to describe Clinton's pneumonia behavior and it was almost a minute long.

Similar to the media's universal use of the word 'stumble' to describe Clinton's catatonic collapse and removal from the sidewalk on 9-11.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

"You can fool all of the people some of the time..."

Indeed.

It looks like you wanted to convince other posters of your deep support for www.woundedwarriorproject.org 
One might question your devotion to your proclaimed cause when you can't spell warrior and even if you correct the spelling and put in the website support.woundedwarrior.org you will reach no web page.

[sinkspur]

Stumbled? How?

Let the birther issue trip him up.  Advocated removing SS protection from Hillary.  Took focus off Hillary's issues.

He can't go very long without stepping in it.

[sinkspur]

It's the MEDIA that has been hot to trot to unearth the birther crap, not Trump.

As for pointing out Hillary's hypocrisy regarding gun control, I didn't see one thing wrong with that when he said it and I was watching it live.  What is wrong with discussing how the Queen has one set of rules yet we are expected to live by another?

Unless of course you actually expect him to never open his mouth about anything again.  Because that is exactly what it would take for the Ministers of Propaganda to not warp and twist his words to fit their pre-determined agenda.

Or am I the only one who has noticed that?

The "Birther crap", as you put it, was brought up again when Trump refused to renounce it in an interview with the WaPo on Wednesday.  He's been pimping this foolishness for five years, and was forced to say something yesterday.  Only his "statement' made out that he put to bed a controversy he didn't have the major hand in creating.  So, naturally, this will come up again in the debates and beyond.

If you think advocating removing Secret Service protection from a presidential candidate plays well outside of Trumpland, you're naive.

Actually, Trump does best when he's silent. He should do more of it if he wants to win this thing.  You think the media "warps" his words when they just play his words back. Nope.

[LMAO]

On message, off message, none of it matters to Queen Hillary's lapdog supplicants.

Trump can say "Obama was born in the US...PERIOD," as he did and it's not good enough.  It will never be good enough because it's not about facts and reality.  It's about promoting a narrative and since we are not children here it's not necessary for me to into the substance of that narrative.  We have seen it play out for years.

Queenie, OTOH, after days on her back from a mystery illness, is treated to hard-hitting inquiries like "How ARE you??"  and "What were you watching on television?"

And it shall always be so.

At this point frankly my dear I don't give a damn.  The "Media" has now become so over the top in its rabid dogginess that even the dumb sheep are finally beginning to get it.  And it's about time.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time..."

@truthkeeper

You can't blame the media for Trump's "stumbles."

But I do agree with you that no question the press is treating Hillary way differently than Trump. They would be doing this with any GOP candidate. I would have more respect for them if every news organization would just admit they are an arm of the DNC

[Norm Lenhart]

Let the birther issue trip him up.  Advocated removing SS protection from Hillary.  Took focus off Hillary's issues.

He can't go very long without stepping in it.

The Birther thing is his own fault. He brought up a legit point back then, THEN spammed the media with how his private detectives/investigators found all this supposedly incontrovertible and damning evidence. As soon as Obama produced a widely contested birth cert, he just let it all fade away.

So where is that world altering evidence he splattered his face across the global media claiming exists?

WHERE????

He made it up and is a liar.
It actually exists and he is covering it up for whatever reason.

Them's the only two options. Neither shows him as a trustworthy person and his actions clearly show him as unfit for the vote of any American.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Let the birther issue trip him up.  Advocated removing SS protection from Hillary.  Took focus off Hillary's issues.

He can't go very long without stepping in it.

I think him taking back to Twitter to launch attacks against journalists will trip him up way more.

[Longmire]

Let the birther issue trip him up.

The birther issue didn't trip Trump up, in fact he played that controversy to perfection.

Trump started with 30 minutes live coverage of a news event which consisted of veterans praising him and lending him their support. Followed on by Trump's own short statement in which he pointed out it was Clinton who started the controversy in the first place.

That brought fierce denials from the Clinton camp and their news media sycophants, which left more egg on Clinton's face when her former campaign manager (among others) stepped forward and confirmed it was Clinton who started the whole thing.

Complete dominance of the news cycle by Trump, including pushing the controversy into Clinton's lap.

Some stumble.

[aligncare]

It's the MEDIA that has been hot to trot to unearth the birther crap, not Trump.

As for pointing out Hillary's hypocrisy regarding gun control, I didn't see one thing wrong with that when he said it and I was watching it live.  What is wrong with discussing how the Queen has one set of rules yet we are expected to live by another?

Unless of course you actually expect him to never open his mouth about anything again.  Because that is exactly what it would take for the Ministers of Propaganda to not warp and twist his words to fit their pre-determined agenda.

Or am I the only one who has noticed that?

That's why I pay no attention to opposition narratives. I did my research on Trump at the time he announced and satisfied myself he would make an excellent president (loves his country, dogged determination to win, non-drinker/partier, excellent work habits, rises to challenges, with an amazing ability to overcome obstacles and up his performance on the 16th, 17th and 18th holes).

Who is the opposition, you ask? Democrats, left-wing media (CNN, NYT, WaPo etc), and of course republican #NeverTrumpers, who comprise the most damaging and insidious on the opposition team. You expect democrats to play the race card every election. But, for Republicans to play it – dealing the Nazi card from the bottom of the deck, to boot – is despicable.

[sinkspur]

The birther issue didn't trip Trump up, in fact he played that controversy to perfection.

Trump started with 30 minutes live coverage of a news event which consisted of veterans praising him and lending him their support. Followed on by Trump's own short statement in which he pointed out it was Clinton who started the controversy in the first place.

That brought fierce denials from the Clinton camp and their news media sycophants, which left more egg on Clinton's face when her former campaign manager (among others) stepped forward and confirmed it was Clinton who started the whole thing.
 
Complete dominance of the news cycle by Trump, including pushing the controversy into Clinton's lap.

Some stumble.

Yeah. He dominated the news cycle all right.  It allowed the media to go back over the last five years and replay every nutty statement he's made on this issue.  Nobody but nobody gives a rat's ass about Trump's hotels or his endorsements.

Clinton did NOT start the controversy.  Nobody said a word about it after Obama was elected until Trump decided birtherism was the issue that would take him to the White House in 2012.

And nothing's in Clinton's lap.  The Sunday shows will be all over this, featuring as many Black Caucus members as they can, laughing at Trump and back-handedly emphasizing an implicit racism.

And the focus is off Hillary, for the first time in two weeks. Every time the focus is on Trump, he drops in the polls.

[sinkspur]

That's why I pay no attention to opposition narratives. I did my research on Trump at the time he announced and satisfied myself he would make an excellent president (loves his country, dogged determination to win, non-drinker/partier, excellent work habits, rises to challenges, with an amazing ability to overcome obstacles and up his performance on the 16th, 17th and 18th holes).

Who is the opposition, you ask? Democrats, left-wing media (CNN, NYT, WaPo etc), and of course republican #NeverTrumpers, who comprise the most damaging and insidious on the opposition team. You expect democrats to play the race card every election. But, for Republicans to play it – dealing the Nazi card from the bottom of the deck, to boot – is despicable.

"What sacrifices have you made for your country?"

TRUMP: "I've made lots of sacrifices. I've built great structures, created lots of jobs, been very successful."

Trump's back in the news, and that's very bad news for Trump.

[Longmire]

Yeah. He dominated the news cycle all right.  It allowed the media to go back over the last five years and replay every nutty statement he's made on this issue.  Nobody but nobody gives a rat's ass about Trump's hotels or his endorsements.

Actually, the battle took place on twitter with some of the actual players challenging each other's veracity. Nobody but nobody gave a rats ass what the TV dopes were saying while this was going on.

Trump got free unfiltered coverage of his event early and closed the day on a winning note as the pundits were forced to admit he was right about Clinton's hand in starting the birther controversy.

That's a win in anyone's book.

Clinton did NOT start the controversy. 

100% False with Clinton's former campaign manager confirming it, you're either not up to speed on this story or just shilling.

McClatchy sent a team to Kenya after getting a tip from the Clinton camp and other reporters were also given similar tips.

A Clinton campaign staffer was fired over this incident also.

The Sunday shows will be all over this, featuring as many Black Caucus members as they can, laughing at Trump and back-handedly emphasizing an implicit racism.

Big deal...I wouldn't expect less than that from Lewis and his cronies. Although someone might ask Lewis to comment on the Colin Powell email leak...another controversy that didn't land in Clinton's lap   

[truthkeeper]

It looks like you wanted to convince other posters of your deep support for www.woundedwarriorproject.org 
One might question your devotion to your proclaimed cause when you can't spell warrior and even if you correct the spelling and put in the website support.woundedwarrior.org you will reach no web page.

Thanks for pointing out that I made a typo when I initially typed "warrior," which went uncorrected because I so rarely post here I didn't even notice the error. 

Thanks also for reminding me why I visit so rarely...I knew there was a reason.  You have performed a valuable service.

Of course you are correct, I am far too dumb to post here with persons of advanced intellect so I will return to the kiddie boards where I belong.

Carry on.

[Emjay]

On message, off message, none of it matters to Queen Hillary's lapdog supplicants.

Trump can say "Obama was born in the US...PERIOD," as he did and it's not good enough.  It will never be good enough because it's not about facts and reality.  It's about promoting a narrative and since we are not children here it's not necessary for me to into the substance of that narrative.  We have seen it play out for years.

Queenie, OTOH, after days on her back from a mystery illness, is treated to hard-hitting inquiries like "How ARE you??"  and "What were you watching on television?"

And it shall always be so.

At this point frankly my dear I don't give a damn.  The "Media" has now become so over the top in its rabid dogginess that even the dumb sheep are finally beginning to get it.  And it's about time.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time..."

Were it not for the media, Trump would be a footnote in the 2016 primary race.

[Emjay]

Sinkspur said, "Actually, Trump does best when he's silent. He should do more of it if he wants to win this thing.  You think the media "warps" his words when they just play his words back. Nope."

Is there enough duct tape in the world to keep Trump from talking.  He got some help from Hillary's illness but now he's back to talking, alienating everyone but the trumpers.

[Smokin Joe]

On message, off message, none of it matters to Queen Hillary's lapdog supplicants.

Trump can say "Obama was born in the US...PERIOD," as he did and it's not good enough.  It will never be good enough because it's not about facts and reality.  It's about promoting a narrative and since we are not children here it's not necessary for me to into the substance of that narrative.  We have seen it play out for years.

Queenie, OTOH, after days on her back from a mystery illness, is treated to hard-hitting inquiries like "How ARE you??"  and "What were you watching on television?"

And it shall always be so.

At this point frankly my dear I don't give a damn.  The "Media" has now become so over the top in its rabid dogginess that even the dumb sheep are finally beginning to get it.  And it's about time.

"You can fool all of the people some of the time..."

By golly, you're right. Off script, Trump is a loose cannon and an idiot, and Hillary gets softball questions--always has. Tomorrow, there is an excellent chance the Sun will appear to rise in the east. Same ol' same ol'....

[Smokin Joe]

Trump rode the media to the nomination. That was the primary, where being in the news meant your opponents weren't or were only there as you accused them of yet more nonsense. It worked.

However, to expect for a New York second that that selfsame media were going to favor Trump in any way for the General election is just silly. They've been Hillary sycophants since she declared herself "co-president" and before, pitching softball questions arranged in advance.

This is no surprise. Trump may have rode the Media to the Nomination, but that horse will throw him by November.