If you’ve reached “the end of Conservatism” because of Trump, your conservatism was pretty thin

[endicom]

Hot Air
Jazz Shaw
Sept. 16, 2016


I’d really hoped that we’d have seen the last of these clothes-rending pleas by the time we were down to the last seven weeks of the campaign, but apparently not. It continues to amaze me that strident anti-Trump conservatives still openly weep about how the potential election of Donald Trump as the next president will somehow spell “the end of conservatism” but that’s precisely what popped up once again from Ben Shapiro yesterday.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/16/youve-reached-end-conservatism-trump-conservatism-pretty-thin/

[Jazzhead]

Fascism ain't conservatism, bub. 

[endicom]

Fascism ain't conservatism, bub.

You ain't sayin' anything, flub.

[Jazzhead]

You ain't sayin' anything, flub.

Nothing more to say.  Trump's a dangerous, unstable, narcissistic,  megalomaniac.   He's a fascist in the mold of Hugo Chavez, complete with a coterie of brain-dead, bullyboy followers.

I'm voting for an honest man, an honest believer in limited, Constitutional government - Gary Johnson. 

   

[GrouchoTex]

I read the article.
It's another attempt to say conservatives really don't care about the country or else they would rally together to stop Clinton.
What they fail to realize is that Trump and Clinton are pretty much cut out of the same cloth, and we all know it.
Trump being slightly better than Clinton is no excuse to vote for Trump.
If voting for Trump is like being shot only 2 times and voting for Clinton is like getting shot 3 times, were are saying, let's not get shot at all.
Sorry, if they want to take the risk, have fun with that, but to call us petulant un-Americans, etc. is just proving our point.
As Americans, we have the right to look at both candidates and say "No, thank you".
Trump and Clinton both cross lines that we choose not to.

[LMAO]

I don't believe a President Trump will be the end of conservatism. This election has become the Campaigns of Hyperbole.

However, whether it's a President Hillary or Trump, conservatives are going to have to toughen up a little and be on their toes. Which is why it's imperative we elected a conservative House of Representatives

[endicom]

Nothing more to say.  Trump's a dangerous, unstable, narcissistic,  megalomaniac.   He's a fascist in the mold of Hugo Chavez, complete with a coterie of brain-dead, bullyboy followers.

I'm voting for an honest man, an honest believer in limited, Constitutional government - Gary Johnson. 

 

I should take seriously someone choosing a self-described communist for an avatar? The same Woody Guthrie that had a bug in his butt for Fred Trump?

[LonestarDream]

This high moral horse should be put out to pasture by everyone working to defeat Hillary, keeping in mind that all the horses will be welcomed back to the stable once the race is done, no matter who wins. As long as Trump was losing badly to Hillary in the polls, the anti-Trump folks were free to crow and preen, singing an I Told You So song. Now the winds appear to be shifting and the real estate mogul is at least pulling even, if not ahead, both nationally and in key swing states. He may win or he may come up with the same losing margin that Mitt Romney did. Neither would be as rewarding to those fighting Trump from behind his own lines as an electoral wipeout, but once the smoke clears, none of that will matter.


@don-o

[Jazzhead]

I should take seriously someone choosing a self-described communist for an avatar? The same Woody Guthrie that had a bug in his butt for Fred Trump?

See Woody's guitar - "This Machine Kills Fascists".

You lick their boots. 

[txradioguy]

You ain't sayin' anything, flub.

If you think Trump is Conservative or what Conservatism is really all about...then you never were a Conservative to begin with.

[mystery-ak]

Stay on topic and stop the personal attacks....thanks

[LMAO]

I should take seriously someone choosing a self-described communist for an avatar? The same Woody Guthrie that had a bug in his butt for Fred Trump?

@endicom


An avatar on a web site has nothing to do with the fact that Mr. Trump has made it clear that he seeks to expand the size and scope of government. This is what conservatives have fought against and elected Republicans to stop only to be disappointed  once they get to DC and Trump will do the same  should he win. I don't care that Trump is crass or that he's politically incorrect at times. I do care greatly that he wants to grow the size of the federal government and has little if any desire to tackle our fiscal situation. Because, if we continue down this path, well, Japan, Argentina, Brazil, ect ect is our future. I read the CBO reports.

Jazzhead's avatar isn't running for president. Trump is

 

[endicom]

See Woody's guitar - "This Machine Kills Fascists".

You lick their boots.

I don't lick any boots but Guthrie certainly did. He was "anti-war" until Barbarossa and then became the big anti-fascist.

Sorry, flub, but you won't get Hillary as POTUS.

[jmyrlefuller]

I read the article.
It's another attempt to say conservatives really don't care about the country or else they would rally together to stop Clinton.
What they fail to realize is that Trump and Clinton are pretty much cut out of the same cloth, and we all know it.
Trump being slightly better than Clinton is no excuse to vote for Trump.
If voting for Trump is like being shot only 2 times and voting for Clinton is like getting shot 3 times, were are saying, let's not get shot at all.
Sorry, if they want to take the risk, have fun with that, but to call us petulant un-Americans, etc. is just proving our point.
As Americans, we have the right to look at both candidates and say "No, thank you".
Trump and Clinton both cross lines that we choose not to.

It's not even "slightly better." The only thing he has that she doesn't is the R next to his name.

They're both power-hungry, self-aggrandizing and dangerous, just with different approaches: Hillary relies on the political machine and institutional dependence on government, and Trump uses his name, money, fame and ability to be grossly obnoxious in public without his sycophants speaking out against him.

[txradioguy]

It's not even "slightly better." The only thing he has that she doesn't is the R next to his name.

They're both power-hungry, self-aggrandizing and dangerous, just with different approaches: Hillary relies on the political machine and institutional dependence on government, and Trump uses his name, money, fame and ability to be grossly obnoxious in public without his sycophants speaking out against him.

QFT

[jmyrlefuller]

I don't believe a President Trump will be the end of conservatism. This election has become the Campaigns of Hyperbole.

However, whether it's a President Hillary or Trump, conservatives are going to have to toughen up a little and be on their toes. Which is why it's imperative we elected a conservative House of Representatives

It won't be the end. It may, however, have marked the end of a conservatism as a national voice that already left us four years ago when Obama was re-elected, then further reinforced when the likes of Lindsey Graham and Thad Cochran got re-elected.

[endicom]

If you think Trump is Conservative or what Conservatism is really all about...then you never were a Conservative to begin with.

I never was conservative because conservatives, by and large, will grow government for their purposes. In that sense I am more libertarian in that I wouldn't grow government.

Hillary is the present worst case as POTUS. Trump is to be determined.

[Chosen Daughter]

Wouldn't it be the end of Conservatism?  In just the last week Trump has announce a liberal agenda that is equal if not more liberal than Hillary.  We would be better to suffer 4 years of Hillary.  Then we would not be guilty of allowing our own party to be more liberal than Obama.  Then when her term is over we could look forward to returning to Conservatism.  If we choose liberalism as our own party agenda we will never find our way back. 

[jmyrlefuller]

I never was conservative because conservatives, by and large, will grow government for their purposes. In that sense I am more libertarian in that I wouldn't grow government.

Hillary is the present worst case as POTUS. Trump is to be determined.

You do realize you're doing the equivalent of betting your life savings on lottery tickets, right? You might get lucky, but it's far more likely you'll lose your shirt.

[sinkspur]

This high moral horse should be put out to pasture by everyone working to defeat Hillary, keeping in mind that all the horses will be welcomed back to the stable once the race is done, no matter who wins. As long as Trump was losing badly to Hillary in the polls, the anti-Trump folks were free to crow and preen, singing an I Told You So song. Now the winds appear to be shifting and the real estate mogul is at least pulling even, if not ahead, both nationally and in key swing states. He may win or he may come up with the same losing margin that Mitt Romney did. Neither would be as rewarding to those fighting Trump from behind his own lines as an electoral wipeout, but once the smoke clears, none of that will matter.


@don-o

I am not "behind his own lines". I'm out of the GOP as of May 3, so I'm outside the tent pissing in.  And I'm going to continue.

Romney was leading by 7 points after the first debate.  Don't get too cocky.

[txradioguy]

I never was conservative because conservatives, by and large, will grow government for their purposes. In that sense I am more libertarian in that I wouldn't grow government.

Hillary is the present worst case as POTUS. Trump is to be determined.

Trump and Hillary are two sides of the same coin.  Both are NY Liberals to their repulsive cores.

This election is Hobson's Choice.

[Jazzhead]

Wouldn't it be the end of Conservatism?  In just the last week Trump has announce a liberal agenda that is equal if not more liberal than Hillary.  We would be better to suffer 4 years of Hillary.  Then we would not be guilty of allowing our own party to be more liberal than Obama.  Then when her term is over we could look forward to returning to Conservatism.  If we choose liberalism as our own party agenda we will never find our way back.

Bingo!   If Clinton's the next President we will fight for our values, win some and lose some, and enjoy the sleep of the just.  If we help to elect Trump we will have paid the price with our souls.   Conservatism will be conflated with Trumpism,  and the causes of limited government and individual liberty will be gone with the wind.   

[Just_Victor]

It's not even "slightly better." The only thing he has that she doesn't is the R next to his name.

They're both power-hungry, self-aggrandizing and dangerous, just with different approaches: Hillary relies on the political machine and institutional dependence on government, and Trump uses his name, money, fame and ability to be grossly obnoxious in public without his sycophants speaking out against him.

"Trump is better than Hillary," is not just a low bar, it's non existent.  A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.

[Jazzhead]

  A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.

The clap can be addressed with penicillin.  Trumpism is like AIDS - if we catch it, we'll be living with it for the rest of our lives.   

[endicom]

You do realize you're doing the equivalent of betting your life savings on lottery tickets, right? You might get lucky, but it's far more likely you'll lose your shirt.

I'm not betting anything. This isn't like Vegas where you can choose to play or not. It's Trump or Clinton and Clinton is a socialist kleptocrat.