Never-Trumpers vs. Reluctant Trumpers

[JustPassinThru]

Must be. Alinskyite is not a defining characteristic.

If you knew who Saul Alinsky was and what he taught, promoted and advocated, you'd know that it is.

Proven incompetent is just a question of venue,

The woman was a failure as a wife; as a lawyer - both in the legal team for the Watergate Hearings, where she was FIRED for numerous ethical lapses; and later when she couldn't pass the Bar in Washington.  Only then did she glom onto Bubba and take the Bar exam in Are-Kansas.

She was an obviously-corrupt member of the Rose Law Firm - and she got her partnership because as wife of the Governor she had status and clout.  NOT ANYTHING SHE DID.  She clumsily did insider trading in cattle futures, ripping off a client in the process.

Then Whitewater Development.  Read up on THAT, what a clumsy, ham-handed ripoff scheme THAT was.

THEN...put into the White House NOT of anything she did, she went to work rewriting the nation's health-care system.  The proposal crashed and burned and it was well it did.  Got us sixteen more years of a market system, anyway.

THEN...the Bimbo Eruptions Squad.  Threatening former sex-toys of her husband.  Smearing Paula Jones, as if his perjured testimony wasn't enough.  THEN, the tantrums and thrown lamps post-Monica.

THEN...her tenure as NeYawk Senatrix.  What did she ACCOMPLISH?  Named a new Post Office in honor of someone.  THAT WAS ALL.  NO sponsored legislation or work to pass anything.

THEN...Secretary of State.  The world is on fire because of her stupid, clumsy actions.  Good LORD.  How much incompetence do you want to see?

and "Liberal" really isn't so definitive, either. Neither is credible (they lie). Must be the Parkinsons, although that might be a term-limiting factor. I don't know enough about Kaine, because the top-of-the-ticket was so bad, I never looked.

The question of mental fitness, vis a vis dementia, is just the most-recent and most-serious of these charges.  But even as a healthy young woman, she was a moonbat and a flake.

[roamer_1]

Alinskyite is not a defining characteristic.

In that both use Alinsky tactics for the purpose of pushing the socialist agenda, and for the purpose of destroying their competition, I reckon they cancel each other out...

Proven incompetent is just a question of venue,

Indeed - Both can easily be shown to be incompetent.

and "Liberal" really isn't so definitive, either.

That's true - Both exhibit not just liberal tendencies, but rather liberalism exactly - One can argue communist vs. socialist, I suppose, but you and I know they wind up in the same place. Again, they cancel each other out...

Neither is credible (they lie).

Like rugs...

Must be the Parkinsons,

That's kinda where I wound up too...

[Smokin Joe]

If you knew who Saul Alinsky was and what he taught, promoted and advocated, you'd know that it is.

If you recognized the tactics in the field, you noticed Mr. Trump use them mercilesssly through the Primary campaign and beyond. He used them in business, too, or Alinsky in concert with Robert J. Ringer's Winning Through Intimidation tactics, which are very similar.

The woman was a failure as a wife; as a lawyer - both in the legal team for the Watergate Hearings, where she was FIRED for numerous ethical lapses; and later when she couldn't pass the Bar in Washington.  Only then did she glom onto Bubba and take the Bar exam in Are-Kansas.

Compare and contrast with a serial adulterer on his third trophy bride who has several bankrupt projects behind him and still is dealing with lawsuits three, maybe four figures in number.

She was an obviously-corrupt member of the Rose Law Firm - and she got her partnership because as wife of the Governor she had status and clout.  NOT ANYTHING SHE DID.  She clumsily did insider trading in cattle futures, ripping off a client in the process.

and daddy got him started with a 'small' 7 figure loan...

Then Whitewater Development.  Read up on THAT, what a clumsy, ham-handed ripoff scheme THAT was.

https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/market-insight/carters-view/behind-the-buildings/trump-soho-reportedly-offering-some-condo-buyers-half-their-deposits-back/2078

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/buyers-still-feel-burned-by-donald-trump-after-tampa-condo-tower-failure/2239499

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mo-donald-trump-settles-baja-mexico-condo-resort-lawsuit-20131127-story.html

THEN...put into the White House NOT of anything she did, she went to work rewriting the nation's health-care system.  The proposal crashed and burned and it was well it did.  Got us sixteen more years of a market system, anyway.

Opportunity knocked. You left out getting the raw dirt on 1000+ Republicans, which is more significant. Besides, Romney was hammering an Obamacare prototype together up in Mass.

THEN...the Bimbo Eruptions Squad.  Threatening former sex-toys of her husband.  Smearing Paula Jones, as if his perjured testimony wasn't enough.  THEN, the tantrums and thrown lamps post-Monica.

protecting her phony baloney job -- as 'first lady'.

THEN...her tenure as NeYawk Senatrix.  What did she ACCOMPLISH?  Named a new Post Office in honor of someone.  THAT WAS ALL.  NO sponsored legislation or work to pass anything.

Pure carpetbaggery, and New Yorkers voted for it.

THEN...Secretary of State.  The world is on fire because of her stupid, clumsy actions.  Good LORD.  How much incompetence do you want to see?

To answer your question first, none. But I don't think we're going to get that. Depending on how you look at her term as SOS, it is either a disaster, or mission accomplished--well, almost, as Huma's Mothers friends got the boot in Egypt, and the weapons transfer op and snatch-and-grab of the Ambassador in Benghazi went south and hit the news. Unable to make a simple exchange for detainees, because their trading partners met heavy resistance, they let the former SEALs and the Ambassador get killed rather than have Obama give the 'go' order to intervene, just to keep plausible deniability of a set-up.
Hillary had no authority, was not in the military chain of command, that had to come from Obama.
Depending on objective, I'd say she was very effective at destabilizing a region, and helping IS form, if that was the objective. If the objective was to maintain stability in the region, they screwed the pooch.

The question of mental fitness, vis a vis dementia, is just the most-recent and most-serious of these charges.  But even as a healthy young woman, she was a moonbat and a flake.

Aside from her political proclivities, her health is in question. The added stresses of office might precipitate a term-ending event. That, coldly put, could be a plus.
The Donald assures us his health is the BEST, the Greatest, yadda yadda yadda and seems to be fine when kept on script. Off script he was a disaster through the campaign, relying on a couple of bleats to whip the crowd to a frenzy, and sentence fragments to keep things going. If you keep people pissed off enough, they don't really listen to what you are saying, they hear what they want to. But he has the BEST words, the very BEST words...

[JustPassinThru]

Thank you.  You've shown me where you stand.

You're all in with the liberal agenda; and when that requires rewriting history to fit the narrative, you're okay with that.

FWIW, you do not make the old bat any more appealing or qualified by tearing down Trump.  Any more than Trump made HIMself any more appealing by tearing down conservative former-opponents.

Bottom line is, she is one of THE most unfit persons for powerful office alive today.  And I'd include most prison inmates in that group...they are more fit than her.  Trump is not a good nomination and I've been upfront about that.

But this old cow...treasonous, contemptuous, Marxist, and now with a terminal illness THAT MAKES THE PATIENT DEMENTED.  What...a...CHOICE!

But like a good party automaton, you support this monster.

[INVAR]

Thank you.  You've shown me where you stand.

You're all in with the liberal agenda; and when that requires rewriting history to fit the narrative, you're okay with that.

What Horseshiite.

There's nothing Joe wrote or said that even has hint of liberalism in it.  I find it hilarious that someone who is choosing to vote for a lifelong Liberal NY Democrat, insisting a Constitutionalist is in with the liberal agenda because he won't vote for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat over another Liberal NY Democrat simply because you assert she is worse.

Stating facts about Trump's character and ridiculous policy positions that change as often as my grand baby's diaper as 'tearing down Trump', is ludicrous when Trump does that all by himself every single time he opens his yap.

But like a good party automaton, you support this monster.

Blind deaf and dumb.  You obviously missed the Castle banner in his sig line.    The constant declaration that if we do not support Trump we support Hillary is become as worn out as declaring someone 'racist' because they support the police or stand against Jihadist Islam.

[Norm Lenhart]

What Horseshiite.

There's nothing Joe wrote or said that even has hint of liberalism in it.  I find it hilarious that someone who is choosing to vote for a lifelong Liberal NY Democrat, insisting a Constitutionalist is in with the liberal agenda because he won't vote for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat over another Liberal NY Democrat simply because you assert she is worse.

Stating facts about Trump's character and ridiculous policy positions that change as often as my grand baby's diaper as 'tearing down Trump', is ludicrous when Trump does that all by himself every single time he opens his yap.

Blind deaf and dumb.  You obviously missed the Castle banner in his sig line.    The constant declaration that if we do not support Trump we support Hillary is become as worn out as declaring someone 'racist' because they support the police or stand against Jihadist Islam.

Trump fanatics are like the tantruming child on the floor of a supermarket screaming for a candybar after being told "No"

I have a simple method to determine how liberal one is. It has never once failed me. Tell them no. That's all you gotta do. their reaction to the word will tell you E X A C T L Y who and what that person is in every aspect of their life.

Without fail.

Tell a Trumper "No I am not voting for your liberal". Well, indeed we have. Just look at the reaction to the word. Every one of the grief stages except one. "Acceptance".

[Smokin Joe]

Thank you.  You've shown me where you stand.

You're all in with the liberal agenda; and when that requires rewriting history to fit the narrative, you're okay with that.

FWIW, you do not make the old bat any more appealing or qualified by tearing down Trump.  Any more than Trump made HIMself any more appealing by tearing down conservative former-opponents.

Bottom line is,she is  one of THE most unfit persons for powerful office alive today.  And I'd include most prison inmates in that group...they are more fit than her.  Trump is not a good nomination and I've been upfront about that.

But this old cow...treasonous, contemptuous, Marxist, and now with a terminal illness THAT MAKES THE PATIENT DEMENTED.  What...a...CHOICE!

But like a good party automaton, you support this monster.

@JustPassinThru Oh, you were writing that rat scat tirade to me?

In the future, please address me, since your description of my beliefs is absolutely unrecognizable by someone who actually knows what I believe (me). It's easy, just post @Smokin Joe in your bit and I'll get to see it.

First off, I do not support Hillary, and I don't support Trump, either. Maybe the Castle banner at the bottom of my post was a hint?

Second, I am an original intent Constitutionalist. Pretty tough to hammer that peg through the hole you claim it fits in. Liberal only in the Jeffersonian sense, absolutely not by modern, progressive, Marxist, totalitarian standards. Unfortunately, aside from the very recent affectation of staying on the script his handlers* have prepared, Trump has been long in much the same camp as Hillary, and has even donated to those totalitarians.  (*You know, those GOPee people we don't trust because they lied to us all about how they were going to stop the Obama agenda when they got into office, and what, two, three, paid any attention to their campaign promises while the rest stuffed the Beltway Fever ward? Those people who are grooming Trump in an 11th hour attempt to make him something a conservative could possibly suspend disbelief long enough to support?) You think his handlers haven't made a difference? Last night I saw three commercials for Cankles that were basically composed of Trump quotes, video clips. All I can say about those ads is "that's gonna leave a mark". In his words, from his mouth. None of those are from the last month, that's how much difference his handlers have made. Why, he almost sounds coherent. What's more, suddenly (despite not needing the real conservative vote) he is shifting to the right in his rhetoric. Maybe he isn't picking up all those minority and female votes he figured on, so he's shifting right? (And yes, it is a definite shift).

Well, I'm not buying the epiphany. Not a bit. If that old sick crone gets into office, there is a firm chance the job will kill her. Cold, wot? We are assured the guy (who can discard his handlers and policy as fast as the GOPee turncoats flipped on the TEA party factions which helped them into office) is in perfect health, GREAT health, the BEST health. So, short of impeachment, incident, or accident, we'd be stuck with him for the duration.

Aside from that, there is some small chance Republicans in the Senate and House would oppose that sick old hag, not that their actions during the last couple of years instill much faith there. Maybe they will see the legs on the R and grow something to hang there instead of let it sit and look like a diminished 'D'. There is no chance that if Trump goes off the rails they will do anything but support him. What's even worse, those who have faithfully followed him through a series of flipflops that would be the envy of any fish on a pier would not likely even notice, much less demand their members of Congress oppose bad policy in a Trump administration.

Not that they might get much time. With his mercurial personality, vindictive nature, and habit of striking before the facts are in (and lying about it afterwards), the damage might well be done before Congress finds out the missiles are on the way, not that Congress could stop that because they abdicated that control with the War Powers Act long ago.

Hillary isn't going to nuke anyone. It's bad for the Foundation and bad for bid'ness.

But frankly, I don't support either one of them.

You said:

Bottom line is,she is  one of THE most unfit persons for powerful office alive today

...and I fully agree. So, I am afraid, is he.

You can spew names at me all you want, that won't change what I really said, It won't change where I stand, and it damned sure won't get either Trump nor Hillary my vote.

One more question: You said:

But like a good party automaton, you support this monster.

Just what party would that be?

The Constitution Party doesn't support her, and that's where I hang my political hat after the GOP moved off into leftist la la land.

Now that that's straight, have a nice day.

[JustPassinThru]

What Horseshiite.

There's nothing Joe wrote or said that even has hint of liberalism in it.  I find it hilarious that someone who is choosing to vote for a lifelong Liberal NY Democrat, insisting a Constitutionalist is in with the liberal agenda because he won't vote for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat over another Liberal NY Democrat simply because you assert she is worse.

Stating facts about Trump's character and ridiculous policy positions that change as often as my grand baby's diaper as 'tearing down Trump', is ludicrous when Trump does that all by himself every single time he opens his yap.

Blind deaf and dumb.  You obviously missed the Castle banner in his sig line.    The constant declaration that if we do not support Trump we support Hillary is become as worn out as declaring someone 'racist' because they support the police or stand against Jihadist Islam.

The Castle banner is subterfuge.  This is a tactic commonplace with Lefties.  Remember, her miserable husband got in with the aid of Ross Perot, doing the same thing - very successfully.  Clinton won in 1992 with FORTY-TWO percent of the vote.

SJ is making excuses for the old treasonous bat.  Defending the indefensible.  Which tells me who he's truly supporting.

And what she has done, both in criminality and incompetence and in duplicity...is just not defensible.  Not unless you're a party cheerleader.

[JustPassinThru]

Trump fanatics are like the tantruming child on the floor of a supermarket screaming for a candybar after being told "No"

I have a simple method to determine how liberal one is. It has never once failed me. Tell them no. That's all you gotta do. their reaction to the word will tell you E X A C T L Y who and what that person is in every aspect of their life.

Without fail.

Tell a Trumper "No I am not voting for your liberal". Well, indeed we have. Just look at the reaction to the word. Every one of the grief stages except one. "Acceptance".

Not a Trump fanatic at all.  And all you need do is look at my posts to see that.

What I have made is a realistic assessment of where we are now.  Like I said many posts above, you either get it or you don't.

And no, Johnson, Castle, Joe...none of them are going to win.  All those are doing is cutting away at the margins, variously for their egos or to deliberately help one or the other in a stealth agenda.

[Smokin Joe]

The Castle banner is subterfuge.  This is a tactic commonplace with Lefties.  Remember, her miserable husband got in with the aid of Ross Perot, doing the same thing - very successfully.  Clinton won in 1992 with FORTY-TWO percent of the vote.

Ross Perot supported Castle? Castle wasn't even running. Hoodathunkit?
The banner is recent, but if you had read my posts, my support for Castle is not.
When Trump got the nomination, I left the Republican Party.
Donald Trump got the nomination with a similar plurality to the one Clinton was elected with.

SJ is making excuses for the old treasonous bat.

When and where?  About the only thing I have said is that she is not and never was in the military chain of command. She can't order a rescue mission to spool up nor stand down any more than I can, and couldn't as Secretary of State. That part of Benghazi is all on Obama, as he alone had the authority to give go/no go orders.

It is pretty much certain that whatever was going on she was involved with, in the destabilization of North Africa and other countries in the Middle East. That it is likely, she or others under her direction set up the events that led to the deaths of (among others) two former SEALs and an American Ambassador in Benghazi. How is that making excuses?
 

Defending the indefensible. 

Nope, neither one of them.

Which tells me who he's truly supporting.

Read the banner. It's no secret, I have been supporting Castle since Trump got the nomination.

And what she has done, both in criminality and incompetence and in duplicity...is just not defensible.  Not unless you're a party cheerleader.

Sweet Saviour, didn't you read my post? Or are you collecting a check and copying and pasting this crap from a list at random?

I am a Party Cheerleader--for THE CONSTITUTION PARTY


Or are you just here to attack me?

If so, I'm flattered. Geeez, maybe you think some other people somewhere will visit this site and read what I say and agree. Does that scare you? Fear brings Anger, and you seem inordinately angry. Angry people do stupid things, like accuse people of supporting the things they themselves are most afraid of.

I'm not supporting Hillary.

I was told Trump neither wanted nor needed my support. Good. He isn't getting it, either.

But you should be afraid. Very afraid.

I'm watching television and seeing commercials where Trump's quotes (video clips and as voice overs) are being used to show what an a$$ he is, and you know what? Clinton is eating his lunch, using his words, from his mouth.
To paraphrase that most recent ad, are you people so stupid as to pick that for the candidate for my daughters and even a couple of older granddaughters to vote for?
They see that ad, and there will be no convincing them to vote for Trump.

Not only has his incontinent prevarication gotten in his way, his diarrhea of the mouth will prove his undoing. The Democrats are using his own words against him (as we predicted during the Primaries). They don't even have to work hard, the ads just write themselves.

As I have said, I don't support Hillary. But she is kicking his butt in the advertising arena, and you better wake up to that if you want to elect your POS over that other POS.

Just remember, I didn't vote for him to be the candidate. I presume, perhaps incorrectly, that because of your slander and vitriol, you did, so it's on YOU. YOU chose poorly. I'm not riding YOUR hellbound train, and refused to board during the Iowa Caucus. That's well documented, not just here since I signed up, but on TOS before that, too (same handle go look it up).

I am voting for Castle, as I have been saying.

That isn't any dodge for supporting anyone else, and it isn't to enable anyone else, but to help build a home for other Constitutional Conservatives like myself for when the GOP implodes-- something I made up my mind to do when it became evident that the GOP was just another totalitarian love fest, moving a little more slowly, but heading solidly away from the Constitution and Original Intent, pursuing the Democrat party over the Marxist cliff, just another purveyor of more and bigger and more invasive government. I supported the GOP for nearly 40 years, and it turns out Reagan was the flyer on the political target, not the aiming point, as has been increasingly evident.

So kindly lay off the flak about me not giving the GOP my vote. It's MY vote, not theirs to demand. The GOP left me behind when it slid off to the left, and I am not a member any more.

 Part of the problem with the GOP is it thinks it has its 'pets' on the plantation, too, just like the Democrats, as evidenced by your attitude toward someone not voting as the GOP demands. Who in the Hell do you think you are, to demand my vote? You have no right to it. It is mine to grant or not as I choose. If the GOP in Congress had voted as the People who put them there demanded for once, maybe I would have considered sticking with the Republican Party another cycle. They work for us, but most of them forgot that fact the second they got inside the Beltway.

So I have news for you. This heah l'il ol' Constitutional Conservative has jumped that fence and left your plantation, so you can quit thinking the GOP owns me or my vote. Maybe next election y'all will EARN it, but if the trend is any indicator, the GOP will deserve it even less, not more. The Republican Party has been heading in the wrong direction since 'daddy' Bush.

I am voting my conscience, and that damned sure won't be for Hillary, either.

[INVAR]

The Castle banner is subterfuge.  This is a tactic commonplace with Lefties. ..
SJ is making excuses for the old treasonous bat.  Defending the indefensible.  Which tells me who he's truly supporting.

You're batguano crazy.  Projection and your stupid little tantrum that flies in the fact of Joe's long posting history is pretty pathetic and very Alinsky since you are the one supporting a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat who FUNDED and CAMPAIGNED FOR and PRAISED the very 'Lefties' you pretend to feign outrage over.  The Clintons; the Schumers; the DeBlasios - not more than 3 years ago even, your prince was not only in bed with them - but campaigning for them and funding them!

And here you assert Joe's Castle banner is subterfuge and a tactic of the Left?  Says the fanatic that cannot discern the Trojan stalking horse he has pledged his entire honor and reputation to.

But fine, call us Hildabeasts cheerleaders if it makes you feel big about yourself.  We don't care anymore.  You people made us your enemies the moment you heard we were not supporting Trump way back when he announced.

[Longmire]

@JustPassinThru

Castle recently passed the $10,000 mark in money raised for his vanity run.

He's a bug on the windshield and the Constitution Party this cycle is a joke.

Even the 2012 CP candidate Virgil Goode has endorsed Trump, and he did it back in November 2015. 

[Smokin Joe]

@JustPassinThru

Castle recently passed the $10,000 mark in money raised for his vanity run.

He's a bug on the windshield and the Constitution Party this cycle is a joke.

Even the 2012 CP candidate Virgil Goode has endorsed Trump, and he did it back in November 2015.

Thanks. In the meantime, Hillary is using Trump video and voice-overs in her ads against him. Did the 2012 GOP candidate endorse Trump?

I'm voting for Castle, because Virgil is so, like, last time, dude.

[Idiot]

I'm voting for.................

[XenaLee]

The Castle banner is subterfuge.  This is a tactic commonplace with Lefties.  Remember, her miserable husband got in with the aid of Ross Perot, doing the same thing - very successfully.  Clinton won in 1992 with FORTY-TWO percent of the vote.

SJ is making excuses for the old treasonous bat.  Defending the indefensible.  Which tells me who he's truly supporting.

And what she has done, both in criminality and incompetence and in duplicity...is just not defensible.  Not unless you're a party cheerleader.

With all due respect, JPT....you are wrong.  100% wrong, in fact.  SmokinJoe would never make excuses for Hillary.  And if you're referring to another treasonous old bat, please name her.   In fact, my stance pretty much lines up with SmokinJoe's in every way.  And you should know MY stance by now.
 

[Smokin Joe]

I'm voting for.................

I honestly believe every election should have that option on the ballot, and if it gets the most votes, the voters get a do-over with a new slate.

[beandog]

 

I'm voting for.................

[Doug Loss]

@JustPassinThru

Castle recently passed the $10,000 mark in money raised for his vanity run.

He's a bug on the windshield and the Constitution Party this cycle is a joke.

Even the 2012 CP candidate Virgil Goode has endorsed Trump, and he did it back in November 2015.

Works for me.  I'll vote for Castle if he's an acceptable write-in in Tennessee.  Otherwise, I'll hold my nose and vote for Johnson, or just leave the presidential line blank.

[Longmire]

@Doug Loss since you're likely a Democrat I have no problem with your doing that. I only wish there was a way to hold you to it.

[Norm Lenhart]

@Doug Loss since you're likely a Democrat I have no problem with your doing that. I only wish there was a way to hold you to it.

It's less embarrassing to be wrongly thought a Democrat than admit beings a Trump supporter. One is just a mistake. the other is an act of willful idiocy. Granted you arent embarrassed about it, but much of humanity is on your behalf.

[JustPassinThru]

You're batguano crazy.  Projection and your stupid little tantrum that flies in the fact of Joe's long posting history is pretty pathetic

The opposite of a tantrum.   Some OTHERS are engaging in a tantrum, when their fantasy is being interrupted.

Sorry.  Castle isn't going to do anything except draw off the opponents to Her Hillaryness.  Nor is Johnson, nor any of the others.

You may have eight choices on the ballot, but the reality is, one of two are going to win.

And how dangerous one of those two is, is becoming plainer. 

Neither of them is a good choice.

Neither of them represent a Savior.

Neither of them are worthy of honest respect.

ONE of them is at once, provably treasonous; demonstrated inept; documented to have had a serious neurological issue; and is probably dying of Parkinson's Disease.  Which takes the patient's MIND in its last years; and she's known or suspected she has had it for a long time.

The time is past pretending they are equal.  I did think they were roughly on the same plane.  The last three months have convinced me otherwise.

Seems Senator Cruz has also been persuaded - that the jackass with his libels, is better than the mad Marxist.

You either get it or you don't.  And if you're ready to ride your fantasy right down the drain...I can't argue anyone out of it.  But irresponsibility is something we will all bear the cost of.  So far, the irresponsibility of Eric Hoffer's True Believers have led us to THIS point.

But it can get worse.

[JustPassinThru]

With all due respect, JPT....you are wrong.  100% wrong, in fact.  SmokinJoe would never make excuses for Hillary.  And if you're referring to another treasonous old bat, please name her.   In fact, my stance pretty much lines up with SmokinJoe's in every way.  And you should know MY stance by now.

Now, for those reading this...we have known each other from another site for many months.  We have had good communications, back and forth.  We were on the same side on this for the same reason, for a long time.

Now it's crunch time.  As I have said in other posts.

I'm not going to get up there and do backflips and high kicks with the rest of the Dance Squad.  I'm not going to cheer.  I'm not going to put a bumper sticker on my car.

But I am NOT going to stand there and let this deranged Alinskyite take the nation right into Venezuelan Hell. 

When you're in a crisis, you assess where you're at and where you can go.  A writer who lived in the Wisconsin town I used to live in, got his big break documenting his experiences on a rural volunteer fire department.  His fire-company's territory was over a hundred square miles - most of it farm or woods; some hunting or summer cabins with poor roads in and out.

It wasn't uncommon to be called to an out-of-the-way fire in the middle of the night.  An empty summer home, fully engulfed.  The focus, with their one tank-truck of water, would shift from fire extinguishing to controlling the spread; preventing further property damage.

The cabin would be left to burn, as the fire crews watered trees and outbuildings.

That's where we are now.  We aren't going to get where we want to go with this loud freak with the goofy hair.  But we aren't going to go in the WRONG DIRECTION, at least not as fast.

I don't think there's many good qualities to recommend Donald Trump.  But he is not a TRAITOR, for the love of God!

It's time to deal with what is.

[Smokin Joe]

Now, for those reading this...we have known each other from another site for many months.  We have had good communications, back and forth.  We were on the same side on this for the same reason, for a long time.

Now it's crunch time.  As I have said in other posts.

I'm not going to get up there and do backflips and high kicks with the rest of the Dance Squad.  I'm not going to cheer.  I'm not going to put a bumper sticker on my car.

But I am NOT going to stand there and let this deranged Alinskyite take the nation right into Venezuelan Hell. 

There you go again.

Which "Deranged Alinskyite"?

When you're in a crisis, you assess where you're at and where you can go.  A writer who lived in the Wisconsin town I used to live in, got his big break documenting his experiences on a rural volunteer fire department.  His fire-company's territory was over a hundred square miles - most of it farm or woods; some hunting or summer cabins with poor roads in and out.

It wasn't uncommon to be called to an out-of-the-way fire in the middle of the night.  An empty summer home, fully engulfed.  The focus, with their one tank-truck of water, would shift from fire extinguishing to controlling the spread; preventing further property damage.

The cabin would be left to burn, as the fire crews watered trees and outbuildings.

That's where we are now.

Interesting analogy, considering I was in a rural fire department, too. Lives come first, then property.  You contain the fires you can't put out, but you don't do it by spraying gasoline or fuel oil on the fire..

We aren't going to get where we want to go with this loud freak with the goofy hair.  But we aren't going to go in the WRONG DIRECTION, at least not as fast.

I;m not so sure.

 What is going to stop him?

Not the GOP.

Not the Democrats (liberals),

and not the courts.

What puts the brakes on The Donald?

I don't think there's many good qualities to recommend Donald Trump.  But he is not a TRAITOR, for the love of God!

It's time to deal with what is.

Never said he was a traitor. I just said he isn't acceptable for the position, either.

And nope, Hillary is not acceptable, either, but he has his work cut out for him if he's going to overcome the "mirrors" ad.

[Norm Lenhart]

I don't think there's many good qualities to recommend Donald Trump.  But he is not a TRAITOR, for the love of God!

It's time to deal with what is.

OK lets do that. He vocally and financially supported people and groups like Clinton, DeBlassio and does business with Soros, all of whom advocate gun control, murder and abolishing several sections of the United States Constitution wholesale. Now on what world would such a man not be a traitor by definition?

On what ballot in this country are there exactly two names printed for President of the United States?

What is the caliber of gun pointed at your head, and who is pointing it, that is forcing you (and that would be a crime BTW) to vote for Donald Trump? I don't want excuses about Hillary and metaphors about 'same thing'. I want to know who this person is. If that person does not exist, if ballots exist with other names on it besides Clinton and Trump, then you are willfully electing a man that funds the overthrow of our constitutional governance.

Thats all rather factual. Not hyperbole.

[INVAR]

Sorry.  Castle isn't going to do anything except draw off the opponents to Her Hillaryness.  Nor is Johnson, nor any of the others.

Ask us if we care.  Go ahead.  Ask.  None of us get death threats from Hildabeast's hordes simply because we are not voting for her.

Trump's fanatics on the other hand…..

You may have eight choices on the ballot, but the reality is, one of two are going to win.

As if this is just a sports betting event.  Cook County went national in 2012 bub.  You saw your last legit election in 2008. 

And how dangerous one of those two is, is becoming plainer. 

It is.  And Trump *wins" that distinction of more dangerous to us.

Neither of them is a good choice.

Neither of them represent a Savior.

Neither of them are worthy of honest respect.

But you'll still vote for one?  How morally magnanimous of you.

The time is past pretending they are equal. 

No, you are right.  Trump is worse.

Seems Senator Cruz has also been persuaded

I don't care what Cruz does.  No one persuades me to support them but the candidate and his movement.  Trump and his mob have only moved me into activist opposition for a third party. 

that the jackass with his libels, is better than the mad Marxist.

You are welcome to choose Molech over Satan if it makes you feel righteous.  I have other plans.

But irresponsibility is something we will all bear the cost of.  So far, the irresponsibility of Eric Hoffer's True Believers have led us to THIS point.

Which ones?  Obama's?  Hillary's or Trumps?   They are all the same, just different tactics to arrive at the same Statist destination.

But it can get worse.

And I assert worse than Obama is Trump and his mobs.  Nothing you say is going to convince me otherwise when the behaviors and statements on a daily basis reveal the man and his movement for what it is.