Never-Trumpers vs. Reluctant Trumpers

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Never-Trumpers vs. Reluctant Trumpers

http://humanevents.com/2016/09/09/never-trumpers-vs-reluctant-trumpers/

David Limbaugh 
Sep 9, 2016 1:32 PM

Are you as sick as I am of seeing the tedious finger-pointing between never-Trumpers and certain Republicans who have decided — many reluctantly — to vote for Donald Trump?

I assume that most people on both sides are in good faith and are doing what they believe is in the nation’s best interests. I wish people would quit judging the others as immoral or sellouts. That’s a bit presumptuous and self-congratulatory for my tastes.

I doubt that many people outside the commentator universe are agonizing over the decision to the extent the “professionals” are. To most Republicans and conservatives, voting for Trump over Hillary Clinton is a no-brainer, even if they find Trump distasteful, unpredictable and significantly unreliable.

I was a vocal supporter of Ted Cruz’s and don’t slightly regret it, mainly because I believe that most politically related problems plaguing the nation stem from our abandonment of the Constitution and that the best remedy for them is to restore constitutional principles and advance policies based on them. I believe that authentic, constitutional conservatism has not been tried for too long and that Cruz would have brought it.

But Cruz lost. Trump won. And either he or Clinton will be the next president. There’s nothing I can do to change that, but there is something I can do to help affect, however slightly, the outcome of the election. That something is my vote. Abstaining or voting for a fantasy candidate will help Clinton. We can argue logical fallacies all day long, but I have only one option if I want my vote to contribute to Clinton’s defeat, and that is to vote for Trump.

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[unknown]

But for now, we have two — and only two — choices. To say otherwise is to fool ourselves.

[Mom MD]

I am not a never Trumper and will probably vote for him.  But I wouldn't characterize myself as a reluctant Trumper either.  That implies a degree of support I do not have for Trump.  Its more a never Hilary thing....  If it wasn't for the supreme court I would just sit this one out. But I know Hillary will 100% chose Supremes that will destroy the country, Trump only has a 90% chance of making a disaster of a choice.....   I will pull the lever and go home and take a shower,

[Smokin Joe]

I am not a never Trumper and will probably vote for him.  But I wouldn't characterize myself as a reluctant Trumper either.  That implies a degree of support I do not have for Trump.  Its more a never Hilary thing....  If it wasn't for the supreme court I would just sit this one out. But I know Hillary will 100% chose Supremes that will destroy the country, Trump only has a 90% chance of making a disaster of a choice.....   I will pull the lever and go home and take a shower,

I can understand where you are coming from, and accept that.

I'm voting for Castle, and I like the Constitution Party platform. I have no faith either of the major parties will return to a Constitutional Republic in my lifetime, and want to build a party which would do so.

[INVAR]

But for now, we have two — and only two — choices.

That makes Limbaugh either hopelessly ignorant and clueless, or deliberately deceiving.

There will not be only two candidates or parties on the ballot in November.

You can write in a candidate - or vote third party as many of us intend to do.  Lying to people in order to force them to vote for the oligarchy is an exercise in insanity we are no longer participating in.

We took the red pill and decided we did not want to be in the Matrix anymore.

[unknown]

That makes Limbaugh either hopelessly ignorant and clueless, or deliberately deceiving.

There will not be only two candidates or parties on the ballot in November.

You can write in a candidate - or vote third party as many of us intend to do.  Lying to people in order to force them to vote for the oligarchy is an exercise in insanity we are no longer participating in.

We took the red pill and decided we did not want to be in the Matrix anymore.

Only two choices:

The red pill.
Or the blue pill.

You chose one of the two!

[XenaLee]

Only two choices:

The red pill.
Or the blue pill.

You chose one of the two!

I don't "do" pills.  In fact, I am an anti-pill person. 

Stop trying to force me into the wrong peghole.   

[kartographer]

Only two choices:

The red pill.
Or the blue pill.

You chose one of the two!

I choose the purple pill because the other two make me sick to my stomach.

[unknown]

I don't "do" pills.  In fact, I am an anti-pill person. 

Stop trying to force me into the wrong peghole.   

Hey it wasn't me, it was @INVAR . I was just quoting him. He said there was only two choices and he was choosing the red pill - I assume that would be Trump. Check in with him on that one.

[Vulcan]

[Hoodat]

We can argue logical fallacies all day long, but I have only one option if I want my vote to contribute to Clinton’s defeat, and that is to vote for Trump.

And I have only one option if I want my vote to contribute to upholding the Constitution of the United States of America.  And that option is to vote against both NY liberals.

[INVAR]

Only two choices:

The red pill.
Or the blue pill.

You chose one of the two!

You totally missed the metaphor.

Completely.  Trump is not the red pill and Hildabeast is not the blue pill.

They are part and parcel of the Matrix.  The control program that has you all locked into the false belief that "There can be only two"

The Oligarchy and the "you must vote for the major party candidate because only they can "win" is the blue pill.

Giving the oligarchy the finger, and voting your principles by going outside the two corrupted parties and their NY Liberal Democrat candidates for President is taking the red pill.

But ignorance is bliss for most who prefer staying in the Matrix.

[Vulcan]

And I have only one option if I want my vote to contribute to upholding the Constitution of the United States of America.  And that option is to vote against both NY liberals.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm with #reluctanttrump. Unless he bleep up badly, he has my vote. But I don't "support" him and won't defend him.

[INVAR]

I'm with #reluctanttrump. Unless he bleep up badly, he has my vote. But I don't "support" him and won't defend him.

At least that is honest and honorable.

People who self-identify as Conservatives jumping through hoops of pretzel logic to justify Trump's liberalism to Principled Conservatives is absurd and tiresome.

[Norm Lenhart]

I'm with #reluctanttrump. Unless he bleep up badly, he has my vote. But I don't "support" him and won't defend him.

But you'll try electing a guy you don't support and won't defend? Absurd.

Your vote is the strongest form of support the Constitution has. It is your power as a free American. You do 'support' him'. Be honest with yourself and the rest of us about it.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I am not a never Trumper and will probably vote for him.  But I wouldn't characterize myself as a reluctant Trumper either.  That implies a degree of support I do not have for Trump.  Its more a never Hilary thing....  If it wasn't for the supreme court I would just sit this one out. But I know Hillary will 100% chose Supremes that will destroy the country, Trump only has a 90% chance of making a disaster of a choice.....   I will pull the lever and go home and take a shower,

I can't find enough value in Trump to make the choice clear cut for me, but I can't fault you for weighing the two options and finding Trump to be the least worst choice.  It's a tough call , but if you can vote for Trump and wash your conscience with a shower consider yourself lucky...as deciding to not vote against Hitlery has haunted me for months and nothing can wash my guilty soul clean.

[Blizzardnh]

I can understand where you are coming from, and accept that.

I'm voting for Castle, and I like the Constitution Party platform. I have no faith either of the major parties will return to a Constitutional Republic in my lifetime, and want to build a party which would do so.

Thats a great way of putting it. I have voted Constitution Party in the past. But I will pull the lever for Trump just to stop the bleeding , this country can't take 4 more yrs. of this mess.

[Mom MD]

I can't find enough value in Trump to make the choice clear cut for me, but I can't fault you for weighing the two options and finding Trump to be the least worst choice.  It's a tough call , but if you can vote for Trump and wash your conscience with a shower consider yourself lucky...as deciding to not vote against Hitlery has haunted me for months and nothing can wash my guilty soul clean.

There is no condemnation for those in Christ   Ha has already washed us clean.  I think trump is a braggart and a buffoon.   I think Hillary is totally calculating and evil.   That's what makes the decision for me.  I'd rather have an idiot than pure evil.

[Bigun]

There is no condemnation for those in Christ   Ha has already washed us clean.  I think trump is a braggart and a buffoon.   I think Hillary is totally calculating and evil.   That's what makes the decision for me.  I'd rather have an idiot than pure evil.

From my perspective Trump and Hillary are two slices of the same cyanide laced pie and I will reward neither with my vote!

[mystery-ak]

I am not a never Trumper and will probably vote for him.  But I wouldn't characterize myself as a reluctant Trumper either.  That implies a degree of support I do not have for Trump.  Its more a never Hilary thing....  If it wasn't for the supreme court I would just sit this one out. But I know Hillary will 100% chose Supremes that will destroy the country, Trump only has a 90% chance of making a disaster of a choice.....   I will pull the lever and go home and take a shower,

This is where I am at too....sad to say.

[NavyCanDo]

I will not think any less of someone who decides willingly or reluctantly to vote for Trump. If they think less of me because I just can't, then they are the one with the problem.

I will not be voting for a NY Liberal. My conscience says "hell no". But my state of WA will go for Hillary regardless of how I vote, so come Wednesday morning following the election my conscience will be clear.

[Bigun]

I will not think any less of someone who decides willingly or reluctantly to vote for Trump. If they think less of me because I just can't, then they are the one with the problem.

I will not be voting for a NY Liberal.

  

[goatprairie]

But you'll try electing a guy you don't support and won't defend? Absurd.

Your vote is the strongest form of support the Constitution has. It is your power as a free American. You do 'support' him'. Be honest with yourself and the rest of us about it.

Here's where I disagree. I haven't made up my mind to vote for Trump or a write-in (Cruz), but I'm leaning write-in.
Nevertheless, many times things come down to choosing the lesser of two evils. Of the two, Trump is arguably a little less evil than Clinton.
People who are begrudgingly voting for Trump are trying to choose which one will do the least harm to the Republic. As it will be either Clinton or Trump, I can't begrudge a person voting for Trump hoping he will do less harm than Hillary.
Personally,  I believe a Trump presidency will very possibly damage the conservative brand for decades making future REAL conservative presidents difficult.
My wife, who is voting for Trump (because of Hillary) is trying to hold me to my promise of always voting for the lesser of two evils, but still voting. Voting for Clinton is out of the question. I just can't get my mind around the idea of pulling the lever for Trump.

[goatprairie]

From my perspective Trump and Hillary are two slices of the same cyanide laced pie and I will reward neither with my vote!

I certainly respect that position. Hard to argue with. Except I use the analogy of two fecal sandwiches, one with catsup (Trump), one without (Clinton).