NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It

[r9etb]

So what do you intend to do about it?

@Cripplecreek had it right: "All they really want is for me to fear being blamed."

It's all they can do, really.

[sinkspur]

Want to feel warm and fuzzy about Trump?  Here he is, today in Virginia, talking about the Iran-Iraq war:



By the way, Trump's casual "Saddam would do the gas" referred to a genocidal attack that killed thousands of Kurds.

Then, Trump segues from "cyber" to ISIS propaganda to his poll numbers:



This is pure nut-baggery.

[r9etb]

By the way, Trump's casual "Saddam would do the gas" referred to a genocidal attack that killed thousands of Kurds.

He did gas the Kurds, but Trump is actually referring to Iraq's rather extensive use of gas during the Iran/Iraq war.  Still, you're correct: the fact that he could accept the use of gas so casually, is still ridiculously irresponsible.

[XenaLee]

Always amusing to read articles like this blaming a handful of people for the failure of Trump instead of putting the blame where it belongs.....on Trump. He is running one of the laziest, low energy, mismanaged campaigns since Bob Dole. He has barely any infrastructure in any states he needs to win and he consistently steps in it on the campaign trail. He is a clown.

Well...... that is, after all, how the leftists and Trump supporters roll.  They blame anyone and everyone ELSE for their own sucky choices and failures.

[HonestJohn]

The man is so unfit for office.  I can't even believe he is the option against Hillary.

As for me, I understand quite well that a sizable plurality of the GOP finds this to be fitting for a President. 

For me, that just means that I will have the oppose those that find such a nutbag appropriate.  They set the stage and sparked the political fight.  I have no problem engaging it.

It will allow the Democrats to win.  Too bad the Trump side didn't have the foresight to understand that.

[Doug Loss]

That's true.  It's unfortunate that the "you're helping Hillary become President" language gets used.  The correct language would be "you're not helping to stop Hillary from becoming President."

Not quite.  The correct language would be, "You're not helping Trump become president."  Voting for someone other than Trump or Clinton, or not voting for president at all, is keeping your vote from being counted for either of the candidates your conscience tells you you are completely unable to support.

[Doug Loss]

Sorry, @HonestJohn ---if you don't understand that you are facilitating your own political destruction .... there isn't a reason in the world for me to buy your vote --- at any price.   Why would I or anyone possibly want you on their team?

Then why are you so adamant in complaining that we don't support your big man?  As for "facilitating your own political destruction," come back in a year and see just who is still politically viable.  A clue for you: it won't be the Donald.

[Right_in_Virginia]

So what do you intend to do about it?

You and your prince emphatically stated you did not want us, nor need us to "win".

Now you say that our refusal to genuflect and support your prince is 'tiresome' and now 'troubling'. 

So I'll ask again - what do you intend to do about it?

Threaten us more?

Insult us more?

Belittle and ridicule us more?

You think any of that bullying crap is going to accomplish anything except cement our resolve further and push us into more overt activism against your anointed?

Because that is all you people and your prince are doing.

Two words come to mind:  "Extreme vetting".

It works everywhere it's tried.   

[Doug Loss]

Nah ... more likely it's because nevertrumps still refuse to accept the outcome of an election--that the chosen lost fair and square.  And the contortions nevertrumps put themselves through to turn a tantrum into principle--while amusing and oft time comical....has grown tiresome and now troubling.   We've an election to win in November ... and nevertrumps are still stuck in May 3.   What a strange group of people.   

We accept the result of the election.  Trump is the Republican nominee.  We refuse to vote for him on principle, just as we refuse to vote for Clinton, on the same principle.  If you see contortions, it's only because you've twisted yourself into such a pretzel to justify Trump as your candidate that you can't see straight-line thinking anymore.

[r9etb]

Two words come to mind:  "Extreme vetting".

It works everywhere it's tried.   

You obviously didn't try "extreme vetting" when you set your eyes on Trump.  Not for our lack of trying to do it for you, though.

[INVAR]

Two words come to mind:  "Extreme vetting".

It works everywhere it's tried.   

Is that your word for necklacing?

We want nothing to do with your party, so vetting is irrelevant outside of couched metaphor for the retribution and punishment your compatriots are promising.

Should they be that stupid - we will be waiting.

[XenaLee]

Is that your word for necklacing?

We want nothing to do with your party, so vetting is irrelevant outside of couched metaphor for the retribution and punishment your compatriots are promising.

Should they be that stupid - we will be waiting.

They may well indeed be that stupid.  But they're sure as hell not that brave.  Keyboard warrior taunts, snark and insults is all they're capable of.

[HonestJohn]

Is that your word for necklacing?

We want nothing to do with your party, so vetting is irrelevant outside of couched metaphor for the retribution and punishment your compatriots are promising.

Should they be that stupid - we will be waiting.

It's a veiled threat to try and ban members here.

[r9etb]

It's a veiled threat to try and ban members here.

Or, worse, he'll put us on his "ignore" list.  The Horror!

[truth_seeker]

#nevertrumps are proof of an hypothesis I put forth, long before the primaries, or Trump was selected:

Namely, SOME "contemporary conservatives" like to be in a victim mode. Comfort zone.

They never simply take complete and full responsibility for the outcomes in their political lives.

It is always the dems, the GOPe, the Trump supporters, always somebody else.

Example: Starting with 17 candidates should signal a problem.

Trump seized on the FACT that Independents now outnumber either party. He decided to use the GOP as a vessel for essentially his independent run. And he highlighted themes popular with Republicans, conservatives. Namely unrestricted illegal immigration, unvetted muslim entry to the US, etc.

IOW he advanced themes that would predictably be popular with primary voters.

All of those other candidates, the GOP as an entity, had no discipline, beyond Billy Kristol and his merry band of Romney sore losers, reborn.

Yet I have yet to read a single intelligent analysis for how a good candidate might have given Trump a good contest.

Just victimhood, over and over. And go on and on, over and over, the same complaints, with no solutions, no analysis, nada, zip.

www.victims-galore-r-us.com

[r9etb]

#nevertrumps are proof of an hypothesis I put forth, long before the primaries, or Trump was selected:

Namely, SOME "contemporary conservatives" like to be in a victim mode. Comfort zone.

They never simply take complete and full responsibility for the outcomes in their political lives.

Bullshit.

[unknown]

#nevertrumps are proof of an hypothesis I put forth, long before the primaries, or Trump was selected:

Namely, SOME "contemporary conservatives" like to be in a victim mode. Comfort zone.

They never simply take complete and full responsibility for the outcomes in their political lives.

It is always the dems, the GOPe, the Trump supporters, always somebody else.

Example: Starting with 17 candidates should signal a problem.

Trump seized on the FACT that Independents now outnumber either party. He decided to use the GOP as a vessel for essentially his independent run. And he highlighted themes popular with Republicans, conservatives. Namely unrestricted illegal immigration, unvetted muslim entry to the US, etc.

IOW he advanced themes that would predictably be popular with primary voters.

All of those other candidates, the GOP as an entity, had no discipline, beyond Billy Kristol and his merry band of Romney sore losers, reborn.

Yet I have yet to read a single intelligent analysis for how a good candidate might have given Trump a good contest.

Just victimhood, over and over. And go on and on, over and over, the same complaints, with no solutions, no analysis, nada, zip.

www.victims-galore-r-us.com

@truth_seeker

Very good observation!

 

[libertybele]

Bullshit.

   The only group I see who are refusing to take responsibility for supporting a narcissistic psychopath are the Trump supporters.

[truth_seeker]

Bullshit.

Thanks for further proof of my hypothesis. I did state the idea, long before the primaries, or the result thereof.

I wonder if you can offer a substantive rebuttal ??

The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections. It appears they had not been learning anything, so to see you lash out reinforces my claim.

[unknown]

Thanks for further proof of my hypothesis. I did state the idea, long before the primaries, or the result thereof.

I wonder if you can offer a substantive rebuttal ??

The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections. It appears they had not been learning anything, so to see you lash out reinforces my claim.

These are probably the same types that are in every church, the malcontents, the grumblers, sowing discord among the brethren, etc..

[Idaho_Cowboy]

You could get the drama in here with a chain saw.
When and if this country is finally declared dead, the democrats will be the ones to blame. If Hillary wins the election the people who will vote for her despite her clear law breaking take the blame.

[LMAO]

#nevertrumps are proof of an hypothesis I put forth, long before the primaries, or Trump was selected:

Namely, SOME "contemporary conservatives" like to be in a victim mode. Comfort zone.

They never simply take complete and full responsibility for the outcomes in their political lives.

It is always the dems, the GOPe, the Trump supporters, always somebody else.

Example: Starting with 17 candidates should signal a problem.

Trump seized on the FACT that Independents now outnumber either party. He decided to use the GOP as a vessel for essentially his independent run. And he highlighted themes popular with Republicans, conservatives. Namely unrestricted illegal immigration, unvetted muslim entry to the US, etc.

IOW he advanced themes that would predictably be popular with primary voters.

All of those other candidates, the GOP as an entity, had no discipline, beyond Billy Kristol and his merry band of Romney sore losers, reborn.

Yet I have yet to read a single intelligent analysis for how a good candidate might have given Trump a good contest.

Just victimhood, over and over. And go on and on, over and over, the same complaints, with no solutions, no analysis, nada, zip.

www.victims-galore-r-us.com

Speaking of victim hood, I see only one side that has its own safe space on this forum

[Cripplecreek]

Slackers.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

[truth_seeker]

Speaking of victim hood, I see only one side that has its own safe space on this forum

You haven't been here long enough to know the full history of that.

But if that makes you feel that you put forth a strong argument, go with it.

I'll mark that down as your idea, of how conservatives could have fared better, in the primary.

[jmyrlefuller]

Thanks for further proof of my hypothesis. I did state the idea, long before the primaries, or the result thereof.

I wonder if you can offer a substantive rebuttal ??

The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections. It appears they had not been learning anything, so to see you lash out reinforces my claim.

Ron White once stated: "you can't fix stupid."

That's all the rebuttal you should need. Our nation is stupid. Full stop.