Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ

[Chosen Daughter]

Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ




As an evangelical and member of the Global Advisory Board of Christian Post's parent company, I was heartbroken to read CP's recent editorial telling evangelicals that we have a moral obligation to vote and must vote for either Donald Trump or a protest candidate.

I see three options for evangelicals in this election and none of them include voting for Trump. Evangelicals can morally justify a protest vote for a third party, not vote at all, or join the 30%+ of evangelicals saying they'll vote for Hillary Clinton.

What we cannot do is to cast our vote for Donald Trump. The harm to the Christian witness if we support this man who embodies everything Christ warned Christians against in the Sermon on the Mount would last generations.

What will our Latino brothers and sisters think of us? How could we ever again have credibility on religious freedom if we are willing to trade the First Amendment rights of our Muslim American neighbors so easily? And what will our children learn when they see us cast our lot with this man?

We cannot be deceived about the man we'd be voting to make the most powerful man in the world.

Trump has said he will order U.S. soldiers to kill innocent women and children of our enemies and do "the unthinkable" when it comes to torture—all in violation of international law and Christian morality.

Trump said he has never asked God for forgiveness and does not need to.

Trump is a thrice-married adulterer who brags not only about cheating on his own wife but with the wives of other men. In the words of GOP Rep. Reid Ribble, "Trump is often simply hateful," having mocked the disabled and saying things about women CP won't even let me print. Remember, this is the man who says he's never needed God's forgiveness.

I know the editors of CP to be good evangelical Christians, but they made the same mistake many evangelicals are liable to make. They said they were actually tempted by Trump's offer to "Vote for me, and I will give you Supreme Court picks and abolish the Johnson Amendment."

Trump's "tempting" offer is remarkably like another made two millennia ago … when the Devil offered Jesus the power to rule over all the kingdoms of the world with justice and mercy, if only Christ would bow down to the Devil. American Christians should not take a deal Jesus rejected.

It profits a man nothing to give his soul in exchange for the entire world ... how can we possibly consider doing so in exchange for Trump's empty promise of Supreme Court nominees?

It can't be because of abortion. When George W. Bush was President, 2/3 of the Supreme Court were Republican appointees, and Republicans controlled the White House and all of Congress. Yet Roe remains. We cannot possibly be so naïve as to believe Donald Trump — who until he decided to run as a Republican supported partial birth abortion without restriction — would do more.

I sure hope it's not because of "religious freedom" or the fear I've heard that if we get a liberal Court, Christianity will decline in America. I absolutely reject the fear that underlies the Supreme Court idolatry taking hold in some of our churches. If the Church needs the Court to save souls and empower a faithful witness — both spoken and lived — then we are truly lost. Christ promised us a cross and the Holy Spirit as our advocate, not tax breaks for our business and a worldly Court to defend our beliefs.

It would be the extreme of folly to place our hope of religious freedom in a man who says he'll use the government to spy on houses of worship, deny sanctuary to families fleeing ISIS and disqualify judges based on their faith, and who the Christian Post editors said would silence Christian leaders who oppose him like Russell Moore and Max Lucado. What would it say about us to accept this deal of Trump's on the condition that we turn a blind eye to his taking religious freedom from others and persecuting some of our most faithful Christian leaders?

And where did this anti-Johnson Amendment stuff come from? In what world do we think it's a good idea to allow our tithes to be used to support political candidates and for churches to become openly partisan political operations? Is there a faster way to turn God's house from a house of prayer into a den of thieves?!

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[geronl]

 


don't be tempted by the empty promises of a pimp

[Chosen Daughter]

don't be tempted by the empty promises of a pimp

Exactly.  That isn't trusting in the Lord.

[ABX]

I'm not a very religious person (Christian yes, churchy no), but this whole thing does seem to be a big test. I understand some one one side see it as a revolution and many of us on the other side see it as a con job, but one thing most can't deny is that we are being asked to compromise our principles for this 'revolution'.

I'm not even talking about 'the perfect being the enemy of the good' or demanding perfection from a candidate, but simply basic reasonableness in the areas of trust and values. We don't see this as someone who is 90% with us and we are complaining about the 10% difference. We see this as someone who is 50% at best and the half that agrees we have doubt it can be trusted simply because it changes often or when it comes to his own actions, he does the opposite with his own money and business.

But for many, the deal breaker came when the suggestion that 'voting your conscience, voting your values, and voting for the Constitution' were concepts that were booed by those who are selling this 'revolution'.

You don't need to be a Cruz supporter (as it was his speech) to be deeply disturbed by that.

[Chosen Daughter]

I'm not a very religious person (Christian yes, churchy no), but this whole thing does seem to be a big test. I understand some one one side see it as a revolution and many of us on the other side see it as a con job, but one thing most can't deny is that we are being asked to compromise our principles for this 'revolution'.

I'm not even talking about 'the perfect being the enemy of the good' or demanding perfection from a candidate, but simply basic reasonableness in the areas of trust and values. We don't see this as someone who is 90% with us and we are complaining about the 10% difference. We see this as someone who is 50% at best and the half that agrees we have doubt it can be trusted simply because it changes often or when it comes to his own actions, he does the opposite with his own money and business.

But for many, the deal breaker came when the suggestion that 'voting your conscience, voting your values, and voting for the Constitution' were concepts that were booed by those who are selling this 'revolution'.

You don't need to be a Cruz supporter (as it was his speech) to be deeply disturbed by that.

I think the article nails it.  It comes down to a couple issues.  The biggest being Supreme Court appointments.  We are being asked to overlook everything the man does for this issue.  As to the enthusiasm I am seeing with fellow Christians.  I call it idol worship.  Watched that "Prophesy" about Trump.  Someone has gained fame by putting out this "prophesy".  All I can say is believe a lie so many times and it becomes true.  Not for me.

[Sanguine]

I have a real problem with this article.  How can one possibly justify "join the 30%+ of evangelicals saying they'll vote for Hillary Clinton"?   If you can't vote for Trump, you sure as hell can't vote for Hillary!

[ABX]

I have a real problem with this article.  How can one possibly justify "join the 30%+ of evangelicals saying they'll vote for Hillary Clinton"?   If you can't vote for Trump, you sure as hell can't vote for Hillary!

I didn't read that as the article suggesting they should, but instead pointing out the simple stats of how many are crossing over as a way of showing how many are disgusted right now.

[Sanguine]

I didn't read that as the article suggesting they should, but instead pointing out the simple stats of how many are crossing over as a way of showing how many are disgusted right now.

Agreed, but the author uses the idea of Evangelicals voting for Hillary to back up his/her argument.

I don't care how disgusted you are with Trump, voting for Hillary is not the Christian thing to do.

[Chosen Daughter]

I didn't read that as the article suggesting they should, but instead pointing out the simple stats of how many are crossing over as a way of showing how many are disgusted right now.

Yes that is what I read too.  I wouldn't but they were just stating the fact.  I know some people who identify Evangelical that are liberal.  Trump himself seems to be one.

[musiclady]

I have a real problem with this article.  How can one possibly justify "join the 30%+ of evangelicals saying they'll vote for Hillary Clinton"?   If you can't vote for Trump, you sure as hell can't vote for Hillary!

That's the only point in the article I take issue with.  There's no way a pro-life Christian can vote for either Trump or Clinton without sacrificing a core standard of morality.  To suggest that voting for Clinton is a possibility, is faulty.

However, a Christian's supporting Trump and believing anything he says based on his record of liberalism and lies, is several steps beyond naïve.

Trump is playing the Evangelical community with deceit, and it's almost embarrassing to watch so many fall for it.

[geronl]

I have a real problem with this article.  How can one possibly justify "join the 30%+ of evangelicals saying they'll vote for Hillary Clinton"?   If you can't vote for Trump, you sure as hell can't vote for Hillary!

self-described "evangelicals" who probably never attend church

[Chosen Daughter]

I agree with most of what he says except the part where he says voting for Hillary is a moral option.  I understand it in terms of a protest vote to stop Trump.  I just do not agree that that is a moral option.

Yes I do see that.  Of course morally Hillary is not an option.  If you are making a case for not voting for evil she isn't a option. 

The rest of the article is true.  I would say about both candidates.

[musiclady]

Most of the article is very good.  The problem is that some people find Trump so objectionable they will do anything to stop him.  To me, that is the same argument in reverse where people say we must vote Trump to stop Hillary.  They are both objectionable to me.

Exactly.  The two major parties have both offered candidates that are morally objectionable.

Neither is a better option from a moral perspective.

[XenaLee]

I'm not a very religious person (Christian yes, churchy no), but this whole thing does seem to be a big test. I understand some one one side see it as a revolution and many of us on the other side see it as a con job, but one thing most can't deny is that we are being asked to compromise our principles for this 'revolution'.

I'm not even talking about 'the perfect being the enemy of the good' or demanding perfection from a candidate, but simply basic reasonableness in the areas of trust and values. We don't see this as someone who is 90% with us and we are complaining about the 10% difference. We see this as someone who is 50% at best and the half that agrees we have doubt it can be trusted simply because it changes often or when it comes to his own actions, he does the opposite with his own money and business.

But for many, the deal breaker came when the suggestion that 'voting your conscience, voting your values, and voting for the Constitution' were concepts that were booed by those who are selling this 'revolution'.

You don't need to be a Cruz supporter (as it was his speech) to be deeply disturbed by that.

I agree.   In fact, this election may quite possibly be the ultimate 'test' in discernment among Christians.  Separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. 

I would offer the example of so many televangelist false prophets that have claimed that Trump is "God's choice" to save America.  Since when does God need a human, especially a New York liberal with the morals (or lack thereof) of Trump, to ""save"" a nation?  I truly believe that God is testing us to see if we, at this point in our faith, know or can tell the difference between a real savior vs. a "prince of lies".   

I have prayed for discernment.  I believe God has answered those prayers.  For me now to vote for Trump and subsequently, to go against what every fiber of my being is telling me, would be to dishonor that blessing.  Not going to happen.

[Chosen Daughter]

I agree.   In fact, this election may quite possibly be the ultimate 'test' in discernment among Christians.  Separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. 

I would offer the example of so many televangelist false prophets that have claimed that Trump is "God's choice" to save America.  Since when does God need a human, especially a New York liberal with the morals (or lack thereof) of Trump, to ""save"" a nation?  I truly believe that God is testing us to see if we, at this point in our faith, know or can tell the difference between a real savior vs. a "prince of lies".   

I have prayed for discernment.  I believe God has answered those prayers.  For me now to vote for Trump and subsequently, to go against what every fiber of my being is telling me, would be to dishonor that blessing.  Not going to happen.

Yes that is where I am at too.  I watched the "prophesy" false on the internet yesterday.  Wow is all I can say.  Shame.  To believe that is to not know and be able to discern who God is.

[XenaLee]

Yes that is where I am at too.  I watched the "prophesy" false on the internet yesterday.  Wow is all I can say.  Shame.  To believe that is to not know and be able to discern who God is.

It is the equivalent of someone saying that God has endorsed Donald J. Trump for president.  Anyone believing either that or believing any of these false prophet "preachers" again has had their faith compromised....if they ever really had it to begin with. 

Discernment....hard to come by....impossible to fake....more precious than gold in the Obamanation.  And it will become even more valuable as these last days unfold.

[TomSea]

Jamiel Shaw's dad said Trump was sent by God,

Maybe an exaggeration but Shaw lost his son to an illegal alien.

Far as I'm concerned, securing the border will save lives no matter what the detractors say.

I'm glad Trump stands for Americans.  Stands for Americans dying because of illegals,  heroin imported into the US and so on.




No backstabbing from me like this author.

[Chosen Daughter]

Jamiel Shaw's dad said Trump was sent by God,

Maybe an exaggeration but Shaw lost his son to an illegal alien.

Far as I'm concerned, securing the border will save lives no matter what the detractors say.

I'm glad Trump stands for Americans.  Stands for Americans dying because of illegals,  heroin imported into the US and so on.




No backstabbing from me like this author.

I would honestly give credit to Trump if he was believable.  He has changed his position on immigration so many times its impossible to know what he would do.  Who wouldn't agree with getting rid of criminal aliens?  But what is the plan.  1 strike your out and touchback amnesty?  So they can come through the big beautiful door but if they murder someone they are out!!!!!  But there is a clue.  He hires illegals and uses the visa program to hire. 

What is Trumps position now?  Can't figure it out but it is obvious that he found someone's pain to get the country to rally behind his empty promises.

[DCPatriot]

The title of this thread should be "Let's Do The Limbo Thread"!!!


... how low can YOU go?   

[Chosen Daughter]

The title of this thread should be "Let's Do The Limbo Thread"!!!


... how low can YOU go?   

Thankfully my low is much higher than the low Trump wants to take us.  Only by the Grace of God.

[bilo]

I have a real problem with this article.  How can one possibly justify "join the 30%+ of evangelicals saying they'll vote for Hillary Clinton"?   If you can't vote for Trump, you sure as hell can't vote for Hillary!

  and a 1,00x's 

I am in that Evangelical Christian group that will either vote for a 3rd party, or not vote. I will not vote for one evil over another evil. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is one is a man and the other is a woman. They are both evil, vindictive, self absorbed jerks without a shred of character. I would suspect the author of this article is a long time lib.

[bilo]

That's the only point in the article I take issue with.  There's no way a pro-life Christian can vote for either Trump or Clinton without sacrificing a core standard of morality.  To suggest that voting for Clinton is a possibility, is faulty.

However, a Christian's supporting Trump and believing anything he says based on his record of liberalism and lies, is several steps beyond naïve.

Trump is playing the Evangelical community with deceit, and it's almost embarrassing to watch so many fall for it.

Well said!

[240B]

Christianity is a religion of redemption.

Who am I to challenge and refuse Trump's call for forgiveness?

I have to take his word of his own faith and repentance. Had the Devil asked Christ for forgiveness, would God have granted it? I don't know?

I know that I am not personally strong enough to rebuke Trump's call for a second chance and a new path in life. I will not be the one to cast the first stone  over the shoulder of Jesus at Trump.

[XenaLee]

and a 1,00x's 

I am in that Evangelical Christian group that will either vote for a 3rd party, or not vote. I will not vote for one evil over another evil. The only difference between Trump and Hillary is one is a man and the other is a woman. They are both evil, vindictive, self absorbed jerks without a shred of character. I would suspect the author of this article is a long time lib.

And....I will add that....it's no coincidence that they are (still) fast friends, despite the presumed 'war of words' against each other (all pre-planned and agreed to, no doubt).  They were such good friends that they were invited to Trump's wedding.  Thus proving....that birds (vultures) of a feather....flock and party together.  Both are also, no coincidence, pro-big-government liberals.

[musiclady]

Well said!

Thanks!