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A lot of conservative pundits have hitched their stars to Donald Trump. What if he loses?
By Callum Borchers August 28

In future elections, Republicans seeking office will have to answer an important question: Where did you stand on Donald Trump?

Some seem acutely aware of this looming litmus test and are riding the fence (See: Ryan, Paul). Others are boldly offering what they hope will be the right answer.

Ted Cruz, counting on a Trump defeat in November, has positioned himself as a principled holdout, apparently convinced that refusing to endorse his party's presidential nominee will boost his 2020 stock among Republican voters, who will realize they nominated the wrong candidate this time around. Chris Christie, betting on a Trump victory, could be angling for a cabinet appointment but, absent that, may be setting himself up to be able to say in his next campaign that he got in on the ground floor of a rebuilt GOP.

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"Ted Cruz, counting on a Trump defeat in November, has positioned himself as a principled holdout, apparently convinced that refusing to endorse his party's presidential nominee will boost his 2020 stock among Republican voters, who will realize they nominated the wrong candidate this time around."

Cruz is refusing to endorse Trump on principle. I don't know how much clearer this could be.

This writer, on the other hand, is the one with the agenda. He hopes to paint Cruz as a crass opportunist so it can be used against him at the next national election.

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"Ted Cruz, counting on a Trump defeat in November, has positioned himself as a principled holdout, apparently convinced that refusing to endorse his party's presidential nominee will boost his 2020 stock among Republican voters, who will realize they nominated the wrong candidate this time around."

Cruz is refusing to endorse Trump on principle. I don't know how much clearer this could be.

This writer, on the other hand, is the one with the agenda. He hopes to paint Cruz as a crass opportunist so it can be used against him at the next national election.

I think a lot of people are recognizing that he was right and fear for what it means for themselves.

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I think a lot of people are recognizing that he was right and fear for what it means for themselves.

An examination of one's conscience can be very unsettling.

As a Catholic, I understand it's an important process before participating in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. I have learned that Reconciliation is one of God's greatest gifts to us.
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I think a lot of people are recognizing that he was right and fear for what it means for themselves.

Its no big deal to admit to being fooled, especially after being repeatedly lied to.

The truth won't hold it against you.

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An examination of one's conscience can be very unsettling.

As a Catholic, I understand it's an important process before participating in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. I have learned that Reconciliation is one of God's greatest gifts to us.

I doubt that you will find any such "reconciliation" in the average Trump supporter, however.  Hell, my own best friend (like a sister) is so closed-minded that she doesn't even want to see and won't read anything that challenges her current view of "Trump chosen by God to save America", derived from yet another cult, the Word of Faith televangelists.

Closed minds like that will never see the truth or the light.  They just won't let it in.
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A lot of conservative pundits have hitched their stars to Donald Trump. What if he loses?


There is a losing candidate in every election and many people, pundit or not, hitch themselves to every losing candidate. This is just fear mongering.

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An examination of one's conscience can be very unsettling.

As a Catholic, I understand it's an important process before participating in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. I have learned that Reconciliation is one of God's greatest gifts to us.

A lot of people lied to themselves and others, there will be a reckoning.

For instance, Sean Hannity's false outrage over a "deal" between Cruz and Kasich to stay out of each other's way in some states. He portrayed it as unprecedented when he knows full well that candidates often stay out of states where they aren't competitive. In 2012, Gingrich stayed out of Michigan and Santorum stayed out of Georgia. It didn't require a deal.

While Hannity was complaining about those dirty goings on, Trump dredged up truly unprecedented filthy and accused Rafael Cruz of involvement in the JFK assassination. Hannity said nothing.

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I doubt that you will find any such "reconciliation" in the average Trump supporter, however.  Hell, my own best friend (like a sister) is so closed-minded that she doesn't even want to see and won't read anything that challenges her current view of "Trump chosen by God to save America", derived from yet another cult, the Word of Faith televangelists.

Closed minds like that will never see the truth or the light.  They just won't let it in.

There will be no reconciliation, just anger and blame pointed at us...not Trump.

Stealing a page from Henry II, "will no one rid us from Trump's troublesome Twitter account?"
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There is a losing candidate in every election and many people, pundit or not, hitch themselves to every losing candidate. This is just fear mongering.

No, this will be different.  Those who hitched their wagons to the Trump train and its racialism and xenophobia will be dragged down with it.  It's a taint that won't clean off.     
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A lot of people lied to themselves and others, there will be a reckoning.

For instance, Sean Hannity's false outrage over a "deal" between Cruz and Kasich to stay out of each other's way in some states. He portrayed it as unprecedented when he knows full well that candidates often stay out of states where they aren't competitive. In 2012, Gingrich stayed out of Michigan and Santorum stayed out of Georgia. It didn't require a deal.

While Hannity was complaining about those dirty goings on, Trump dredged up truly unprecedented filthy and accused Rafael Cruz of involvement in the JFK assassination. Hannity said nothing.

I wasn't aware of that particular Sean BS, but he was already 'dead to me' due to his constant fawning over and paving the way for The Don.  It figures that he also has become unethical and underhanded though....now that he's hanging with and stumping for Trump.
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There will be no reconciliation, just anger and blame pointed at us...not Trump.

Stealing a page from Henry II, "will no one rid us from Trump's troublesome Twitter account?"

Of course....they will 'try' to blame us for their own stupidity.  Hell, they already are blaming us.  But we will be here to constantly remind them of their own fallacy in choices, eh?

I fear that we will always, ad infinitum, be inflicted with the dreaded Trump Twit Tweets.  It's an ancient curse ...and an eternal one.   :silly:
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No, this will be different.  Those who hitched their wagons to the Trump train and its racialism and xenophobia will be dragged down with it.  It's a taint that won't clean off.   

We've allowed them back in too many times only to get a knife in the back for our compassion. How many times has Coulter betrayed conservatives only to do it again at the first opportunity. I don't care how much people like her books and attacks on the left, she's nothing more than a "right wing" version of Michael Moore.

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No, this will be different.  Those who hitched their wagons to the Trump train and its racialism and xenophobia will be dragged down with it.  It's a taint that won't clean off.   

Is that you Rachel Maddow?
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I wasn't aware of that particular Sean BS, but he was already 'dead to me' due to his constant fawning over and paving the way for The Don.  It figures that he also has become unethical and underhanded though....now that he's hanging with and stumping for Trump.

I'm done with all those NY media types with their "outrage" over their NY values and nonstop promotion of another NE liberal. We ended up with a candidate from a region that almost totally goes for the Rat no matter what and these NY pundits can't figure out why conservatives are not enthusiastic. 

I very rarely watch Fox News. I would give up on it altogether but CNN is so biased I can't stand them either.
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No, this will be different.  Those who hitched their wagons to the Trump train and its racialism and xenophobia will be dragged down with it.  It's a taint that won't clean off.   

You're right Jazzhead.............. this time is very, very different.

Trump is a Democrat.  He espouses all things Democrat.  Every thing he tries to say to claim conservatism is a lie and a leftist stereotype.

The talk show people we believed actually were conservative have shown their true colors, and this time their cheerleading will bring them down.
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I'm done with all those NY media types with their "outrage" over their NY values and nonstop promotion of another NE liberal. We ended up with a candidate from a region that almost totally goes for the Rat no matter what and these NY pundits can't figure out why conservatives are not enthusiastic. 

I very rarely watch Fox News. I would give up on it altogether but CNN is so biased I can't stand them either.

I have begun to get all my news info on the internet.   I've stopped watching Fox altogether, as well as listening to talk radio.

It's been remarkably freeing, and I doubt I'll ever go back no matter how many "mea culpas" may follow this disastrous election.

Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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I wasn't aware of that particular Sean BS, but he was already 'dead to me' due to his constant fawning over and paving the way for The Don.  It figures that he also has become unethical and underhanded though....now that he's hanging with and stumping for Trump.

Trump love brings many people down.  It seems the unethical rubs off......
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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"Ted Cruz, counting on a Trump defeat in November, has positioned himself as a principled holdout, apparently convinced that refusing to endorse his party's presidential nominee will boost his 2020 stock among Republican voters, who will realize they nominated the wrong candidate this time around."

Cruz is refusing to endorse Trump on principle. I don't know how much clearer this could be.

This writer, on the other hand, is the one with the agenda. He hopes to paint Cruz as a crass opportunist so it can be used against him at the next national election.

Yeah, that's what leapt out at me too.  It doesn't seem to occur to the writer that sometime a principled stand is just a principled stand. 

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I'm done with all those NY media types with their "outrage" over their NY values and nonstop promotion of another NE liberal. We ended up with a candidate from a region that almost totally goes for the Rat no matter what and these NY pundits can't figure out why conservatives are not enthusiastic. 

I very rarely watch Fox News. I would give up on it altogether but CNN is so biased I can't stand them either.

I don't watch Hannity or any of the other pundits there, but I do tune in to America's Newsroom still.  You get good current events info there.  Like today, they're talking about docs that Citizens United just finally managed to get re: Hillary's donations and what possible "benefit" the foreign donors may have received for those donations.  CU is going over those documents now to determine what, if any, 'pay for play' Hillary handed out. 
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Is that you Rachel Maddow?

Nope, just a long-time Reagan-Kemp conservative who's disgusted by Trump and his alt-right supporters.  He's going to lose anyway, so I want him losing in a landslide so the rancid corpse of Trumpism will never rise again.   
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A lot of pundits hitched their stars to Mitt Romney. What if he had lost?

A lot of pundits hitched their stars to John McCain. What if he had lost?

A lot of pundits hitched their stars to John Kerry. What if he had lost?

A lot of pundits hitched their stars to Al Gore. What if he had lost?


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Is that you Rachel Maddow?

That's an odd statement.  Why would you say that?

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Yeah, that's what leapt out at me too.  It doesn't seem to occur to the writer that sometime a principled stand is just a principled stand.

Yet "principled" is the only motive the media will never ascribed to Cruz.

Oh and Hannity can go p*ss up a rope. Personally I'm delighted these "conservative" commentators have outed themselves. To think all this time they were making fools of their conservative audiences.

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Yeah, that's what leapt out at me too.  It doesn't seem to occur to the writer that sometime a principled stand is just a principled stand.

That would first require having logic and the ability to even discern "a principled stand". 
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