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Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« on: August 25, 2016, 06:52:31 pm »

Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
By Al Weaver (@alweaver22) • 8/25/16 1:05 PM


Donald Trump's sudden signal that he's ready to soften his approach on immigration has split his backers, as some are cautiously supporting him, others are wary and some are outraged that he's moving away from the tough stance he outlined last year.

Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity this week that he was open to allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the U.S., and said he would "work with" them. He hinted that they might be able to stay if they pay back taxes, although he said he would still kick the "bad ones" out, and said he would still build the border wall.

Still, those comments fly in the face of Trump's previous plan for a "deportation force" that would remove the 11 million illegal immigrants from the U.S., and it forced Trump supporters of all stripes to try to get their heads around the sudden change.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, the first U.S. senator to openly support Trump, said Thursday that he would be "supportive" of a potential deal on the issue. However, he noted that dealing with the 11 million will take a back seat to enforcement of the law in any deal.

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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2016, 07:24:43 pm »
It's hard to be a Trumpanzee these days.   Makes you just want to stomp a mudhole dry with your face.

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2016, 07:30:54 pm »
In a few days he'll be attacking the amnesty bashers as "heartless" and "Cruel"
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2016, 07:31:14 pm »
Some supporters are now cautious and some are now outraged. Are they outraged because they were so stupid to believe Trump or are they outraged because he lied??  It's not like we didn't warn them.  Regardless of their outrage; they ARE still responsible for bolstering their orange baboon and equally responsible if Hillary gets in.  What a bunch of royal buffoons!
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2016, 07:31:35 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on August 25, 2016, 07:24:43 pm
It's hard to be a Trumpanzee these days.   Makes you just want to stomp a mudhole dry with your face.


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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 08:01:04 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on August 25, 2016, 07:24:43 pm
It's hard to be a Trumpanzee these days.   Makes you just want to stomp a mudhole dry with your face.



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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2016, 08:23:35 pm »
I'm waiting anxiously for the Trump supporters here to come ut of their sub-group cave and explain to the rest of us just exactly how none of this is what we believe it to be and it's just another master stroke by the genius that is Donald Trump and his effort to (in the words of Ronald Reagan) "Make America great again".

I mean surely they've got to reach a tipping point where even they can't defend the waffling and the flip flopping by the alleged Savior of America.


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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2016, 08:26:11 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on August 25, 2016, 08:23:35 pm
I'm waiting anxiously for the Trump supporters here to come ut of their sub-group cave and explain to the rest of us just exactly how none of this is what we believe it to be and it's just another master stroke by the genius that is Donald Trump and his effort to (in the words of Ronald Reagan) "Make America great again".

I mean surely they've got to reach a tipping point where even they can't defend the waffling and the flip flopping by the alleged Savior of America.


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Nope. They proved they are true believers when they continued backing an outright liar. They should be considered and treated as the danger to constitutional governance they are.
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2016, 08:30:40 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on August 25, 2016, 08:23:35 pm
I'm waiting anxiously for the Trump supporters here to come ut of their sub-group cave and explain to the rest of us just exactly how none of this is what we believe it to be and it's just another master stroke by the genius that is Donald Trump and his effort to (in the words of Ronald Reagan) "Make America great again".

I mean surely they've got to reach a tipping point where even they can't defend the waffling and the flip flopping by the alleged Savior of America.


 :shrug:

You are in for a very LONG wait I'm afraid!
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2016, 08:32:47 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 25, 2016, 08:30:40 pm
You are in for a very LONG wait I'm afraid!

Some of the long term Kool-Aid drinkers may never realize the error of their ways.
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2016, 08:35:05 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on August 25, 2016, 08:32:47 pm
Some of the long term Kool-Aid drinkers may never realize the error of their ways.

I'll guarantee it!  They will still be blaming someone else in 2030!
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2016, 08:53:55 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on August 25, 2016, 07:31:14 pm
Some supporters are now cautious and some are now outraged. Are they outraged because they were so stupid to believe Trump or are they outraged because he lied??  It's not like we didn't warn them.  Regardless of their outrage; they ARE still responsible for bolstering their orange baboon and equally responsible if Hillary gets in.  What a bunch of royal buffoons!

I know of about half a dozen (at another site) die-hard Trump supporters that are still defending, interpreting and explaining Trump's latest flip-flop as not that far from what he said originally.   The rest are nowhere to be seen (or heard from).
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2016, 08:58:26 pm »
In late October or early November when Trump drops out and accuses the horrible establishment GOP of sabotaging his campaign, he will declare that his supporters should vote Democrat.

They will too, happily.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2016, 08:59:38 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 25, 2016, 08:53:55 pm
I know of about half a dozen (at another site) die-hard Trump supporters that are still defending, interpreting and explaining Trump's latest flip-flop as not that far from what the said originally.   The rest are nowhere to be seen (or heard from).

I have seen at least 2 claim he never called for a deportation force. lolz
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2016, 09:01:02 pm »
Quote from: geronl on August 25, 2016, 08:59:38 pm
I have seen at least 2 claim he never called for a deportation force. lolz

Despite the fact that it's on video coming out of his own mouth....lol.  How inconvenient for them.
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2016, 09:02:39 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on August 25, 2016, 08:23:35 pm
I'm waiting anxiously for the Trump supporters here to come ut of their sub-group cave and explain to the rest of us just exactly how none of this is what we believe it to be and it's just another master stroke by the genius that is Donald Trump and his effort to (in the words of Ronald Reagan) "Make America great again".

I mean surely they've got to reach a tipping point where even they can't defend the waffling and the flip flopping by the alleged Savior of America.


 :shrug:

They would have to admit that Trump is a liberal, a fraud and a narcissistic, psychopathic demagogue.  Not going to happen and by golly at least they still have the excuse he's not Hillary!  :silly: :silly:
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2016, 09:06:21 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 25, 2016, 08:53:55 pm
I know of about half a dozen (at another site) die-hard Trump supporters that are still defending, interpreting and explaining Trump's latest flip-flop as not that far from what he said originally.   The rest are nowhere to be seen (or heard from).

That's the spin I have been hearing from Trump supporters,also.
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2016, 10:01:15 pm »
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I'm waiting anxiously for the Trump supporters here to come ut of their sub-group cave and explain to the rest of us just exactly how none of this is what we believe it to be and it's just another master stroke by the genius that is Donald Trump and his effort to (in the words of Ronald Reagan) "Make America great again".

I mean surely they've got to reach a tipping point where even they can't defend the waffling and the flip flopping by the alleged Savior of America.

Well, surely WAC was a good poster, but thuggish Clintonista Cruz-bots don't even give a woman a break, they are such vulgar bullies.

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Cruz can’t fully fault his supporters for misunderstanding him. He himself has summarized Obama’s immigration programs as “executive amnesty.” More generally, it’s been obvious from the outset of Cruz’s campaign that his strategy of trying to out-conservative everyone else carries the risk that he’ll be taken to task when any such misunderstandings come to light. In this case, his task should be easy enough. He’s already made the case that the difference between a pathway to citizenship and a pathway to legal status is more than merely symbolic. He can, and should, make it again. I think it’s revisionist for Cruz’s supporters to argue that he didn’t really support any form of legal status in 2013, that it was all a ploy. It’s also an odd line of defense, because it’s tantamount to insisting that he was lying through his teeth in 2013. And ultimately, it seems counterproductive: if Cruz disavows his support for any form of legalization now, he’d be conceding Rubio’s point that the two are equivalent, and that either can be properly defined as amnesty.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-blog/ted-cruz-amnesty-enthusiast/

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/did-cruz-support-legalization/

Ted Cruz, supporter of legal residency for those not in this country legally.

Called "amnesty" in regards to Donald Trump, the NY Liberal, Cruz had a rally with.

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2016, 10:01:33 pm »
Quote from: geronl on August 25, 2016, 08:59:38 pm
I have seen at least 2 claim he never called for a deportation force. lolz

The new line from at least one of the TBR Trumpkins is that they "never really believed all the deportations were actually going to happen"

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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2016, 10:05:58 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 10:01:15 pm
Well, surely WAC was a good poster, but thuggish Clintonista Cruz-bots don't even give a woman a break, they are such vulgar bullies.

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http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-blog/ted-cruz-amnesty-enthusiast/

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/did-cruz-support-legalization/

Ted Cruz, supporter of legal residency for those not in this country legally.

Called "amnesty" in regards to Donald Trump, the NY Liberal, Cruz had a rally with.

Anyone wanna guess which direction @TomSea is going?



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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2016, 10:06:55 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 10:01:15 pm
Well, surely WAC was a good poster, but thuggish Clintonista Cruz-bots don't even give a woman a break, they are such vulgar bullies.

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http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-blog/ted-cruz-amnesty-enthusiast/

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/did-cruz-support-legalization/

Ted Cruz, supporter of legal residency for those not in this country legally.

Called "amnesty" in regards to Donald Trump, the NY Liberal, Cruz had a rally with.

Trump supporters who took Cruz 2013 floor statements concerning apparent support for legalization OUT OF THEIR CONTEXT - and thats exactly what they did - are either ignorant fools or knowing liars.

Research Cruz's words and the point he was attempting to make when the amnesty issue was before the senate and the democrats were playing the compassion card. Its all there in the transcripts.

Then if I see you back here saying 'Cruz supported legalization' I'll know which you are.
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Re: Trump's immigration shift splits his supporters
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2016, 04:52:53 am »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on August 25, 2016, 08:01:04 pm
:silly:

Makes me want to say "Go home,dad, you're drunk".

... again.
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2016, 04:59:48 am »
Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 10:01:15 pm

Ted Cruz, supporter of legal residency for those not in this country legally.


even his opponents knew it was a poison pill amendment and admit it, no one involved thinks Cruz ever wanted that to pass into law. No one with half a brain on any side in the Senate thinks now or thought then that Cruz supported it.
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