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Can't eradicate it  by punishing the women who have them either, which is what Trump thought a pro-lifer should advocate.  He knows nothing about being pro-life.

You're being intellectually dishonest, Sink.

He was asked if Abortion was made to be illegal, should a woman who still seeks and obtains an abortion be punished/arrested.

He couldn't have answered that question in any other manner.


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Speaking for the #NeverTrump movement, as a defacto President of NT, I have to point out that we are still debating our goals in the inner circle.

So far what we have as a preliminary agenda is: well, ... umm

We hate Trump above anything else.
We really, really, hate Trump.
We do not support Hillary, but are fine with her winning the Presidency.
And we hate Trump.
We do not support the Libertarian candidate or a write in for Cruz but we do not want Trump or Hillary to win.
NeverTrump does not endorse anyone except a candidate known as "not Trump".
If flaming Leftist Liberal Hlllary winning will defeat the closet Liberal Trump, then it is ok.
And, we really, really, hate Trump, but we sort of don't like Hillary either.
We are the real Republicans and all the other Republicans except us are crazy.
And we hate Trump...because he has tiny-hands and weird skin.

The summary bullet for where we stand is: We support 'nobody' for President 2016!

It is the mythical 'Nobody' ticket that we support. (even though we all know full well that this will get Hillary elected)
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My friend....I am NOT "trying.....to win voters over to Trump".

Not in here. 

Been there...done that.

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PS:  Hillary has spent the last 25 years revealing herself to us.

Can't stand her either.  Voting for neither.
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You're being intellectually dishonest, Sink.

He was asked if Abortion was made to be illegal, should a woman who still seeks and obtains an abortion be punished/arrested.

He couldn't have answered that question in any other manner.


....and you know it.

Pro-lifers KNOW that if abortion is made illegal, women would not be punished for having abortions.  Abortionists would.

Trump didn't know that.  He answered in a way a pro-choicer thought a pro-lifer would answer.

Because he's not pro-life and never has been.
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If you read his books, you'll understand that to Trump, he isn't lying. He has a different moral compass on 'truth' as most of us. To him, truth isn't truth as we see it, truth is whatever is advantageous at the time  for him, and if that changes, the new truth is just as real to him as the old truth- the only underlying factor that is constant is his viewing everything from the prism of the deal he needs to close at the time.

Trump is the type of person who could take a lie detector test and say to totally opposite things and they would both come out as truth to him.

So to Trump, it is all truth and that thinking then bleeds over to those who follow because they see him as genuine so they believe his truth is the same as their truth.

The problem and the reality with that is....there are no 'variations of the truth'.  It's either the truth or it isn't.  It's like being a little bit pregnant.  No such thing.
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Pro-lifers KNOW that if abortion is made illegal, women would not be punished for having abortions.  Abortionists would.

Trump didn't know that.  He answered in a way a pro-choicer thought a pro-lifer would answer.

Because he's not pro-life and never has been.

During this campaign Trump has always behaved as an over the top caricature of what the left believes conservatives to be.

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Give it a rest, @musiclady

I'm Pro-Life.  And you're the only "sick joke" here, with your schoolmarm lectures and self-righteousness.....as if only you have the corner when it comes to virtue and proper Conservative thought.   

But who gives a GD if Trump nominates a Justice that believes in a woman's right to choose motherhood and all its responsibilities?

Get your nose out of other women's business and their personal life.

There a "YUUGE" difference between a Constitutional jurist and one that thinks he should vote to control a woman's right-to-choose.

Want to change it?   Change the culture.

I would have to say that this is one of the rudest posts I have seen here.  I think that personal attacks are not allowed.  Calling someone a sick joke unacceptable.  If you were trying to show that you have moral superiority to anyone you fail.

As for your argument.  It has only been months since we saw the gruesome video's of Planned Parenthood and their baby parts operation.  This has always been Conservatively unacceptable.  Trump has made promises to people and spoken with a forked tongue.  He is or he isn't.  He needs to make himself clear. 

Excuse us for not realizing that the party we have supported all of these years has changed since Trump stepped onto the scene.  I have never understood how the fetus of an American isn't afforded the same rights as all Americans.  Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Some of these babies who are killed in the womb partial birth abortions are fully formed human beings.  We wouldn't think of taking a pregnant dog to the vet and aborting puppies.  Yet we allow human beings to be killed and sold on the body part market daily in America.  No human worth.   

If you were to go to the internet I am sure that you could view fully formed fetuses in the womb full color.  I don't know how anyone could argue they don't feel pain.  Why is murder OK?  I don't get it.


And to further the problem teenage girls are being coerced by family member or significant others to abort their children.  They don't even always make the decision it is made for them.  And the damage to them mentally is never talked about in politics.
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http://humanevents.com/2006/01/30/abortion-causes-massive-mental-health-problems-for-women/

Abortion Causes Massive Mental Health Problems for Women

Abortion destroys the psychological health of teenage girls. This is the finding of a large new study that has statistics on this point so dramatic that even pro-lifers may have trouble believing them. The pro-abortion lead author of the study, Prof. David Fergusson of Christchurch School of Medicine & Health Sciences in Christchurch, New Zealand, told Australia’s ABC news, in summary, that abortion causes mental health problems, not the other way around, and women’s backgrounds had nothing to do with it.

In what may be the biggest study of its kind, Fergusson and his fellow scientists examined the psychological consequences of abortion for New Zealand women age 15 to 25. Reported the scientists: “Forty-one percent of women had become pregnant on at least one occasion prior to age 25, with 14.6% having an abortion. Those having an abortion had elevated rates of subsequent mental health problems including depression, anxiety, suicidal behaviors and substance use disorders. This association persisted after adjustment for confounding factors.”



 
Depression, anxiety and other negative effects occurred after the abortions, the researchers said. These are not cases of depressed, drug-addicted or otherwise disturbed women being more likely to abort their children—the abortions preceded the disturbances.

 

“We were indeed surprised by the results,” he said. “Our expectation was that we would find that young women who had abortions had higher rates, but that was due to selection factors, that is the background of young women predisposed them both to abortion and to mental health problems, and we found that that was not in fact the case. Abortion turns out to be the most common medical surgical procedure that young women actually encounter during adolescence and young adulthood.”

In this study, published in the latest issue of the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, Fergusson and his two collaborators found that girls 15 to 18 who had not gotten pregnant had a 31.2% chance of experiencing major depression. Those who became pregnant but did not have an abortion had a 35.7% chance. But those who had an abortion had an astonishing 78.6% chance.

For anxiety, the statistics were similar. No pregnancy: 37.9%; pregnancy, no abortion: 35.7%; abortion: 64.3%.

And for ideas of suicide, a horrific mark of mental illness, the figures should be enough to convince anyone who cares about young women to desire a ban on abortion for minors. No pregnancy: 23%; pregnancy, no abortion: 25%; abortion: 50%.

Pro-abortion activists cite possible psychological harm to women if they give birth to an unwanted child, but the scientific evidence continues to pile up proving the opposite: Abortion is more psychologically harmful than carrying a child to term.

In its December 2005 report, the South Dakota Task Force to Study Abortion, appointed by Gov. Mike Rounds (R.), cited an expert as saying that “the literature on the psychological effects of abortion conducted over the last several decades indicates that a minimum of 10-20% of women experience adverse, prolonged, post-abortion reactions. This translates into at least 130,000 to 260,000 new cases of serious mental health problems each year in the U.S.”

So who is abortion good for?


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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Don't sweat it @CatherineofAragon

Just today, Donald Trump picked up over FIFTY black American voters.

....so ALL of you here who won't vote for the GOP Nominee can just sit on your behinds come Election Day.   Won't matter a lick.       :laugh:


that is....unless you're one the ones in here that publicly stated she's planning on voting for Hillary Clinton.   @Suppressed

Well, those fifty people ought to put him over the line.  No doubt we'll see some changes in the polls now.

I'll vote downticket on Election Day, but I'll be damned if I'll vote for the lying con man at the head of the ticket.

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So in other words, in the time of slavery it required a change in culture before anything could be done about it. Think about that for a moment. Because that's what you are saying.

Slavery only came to and end when one side said no more regardless how the other side felt about it or the consequences that followed.

Abortion is not slavery but I would say it is born out of racism.  Some of us are aware of Margaret Sanger and her Nazi ties. 

http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Abortion is not slavery but I would say it is born out of racism.  Some of us are aware of Margaret Sanger and her Nazi ties. 

http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html

Yes! Some of us are very much aware of all that but I doubt very seriously that you will find many here willing to honestly discuss that, or any other serious subject for that matter, in any great depth.
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Yes! Some of us are very much aware of all that but I doubt very seriously that you will find many here willing to honestly discuss that, or any other serious subject for that matter, in any great depth.

Probably not
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:

1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.

A loud and angry plurality, made up mostly of people who believe that Jim Robinson's Free Republic represents the majority of people in the US, and who largely lack a higher education, managed to get a certifiable lunatic egomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut and believes that every thought that generates from his mouth should be recorded by monks and added to the Scriptures nominated.

People who opposed him saw this, and knew that that Hillary's best chance at winning this election was a Trump nomination. We tried to warn that this would happen, and we were ignored and even berated for expressing our opinions.

So now that we are where we said we would be with a Trump nomination, to sit and try to assign to us what will happen to the SCOTUS as a result of the illogical and irrational support for Trump is sheer and unadulterated bull excrement.

Whatever negative consequences the future holds for our kids as a result of Hillary's picks for the SCOTUS, are the fault of those who insisted in nominating a predictably unelectable candidate, and not to those who tried their best to stop him from being nominated.
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"Son"?   Don't condescend me.

Get lost.

Oh, pish.  You're a bully, son.  And not a very good one, at that.

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It has certainly been enlightening, as well as entertaining for all of us here in TBR to see just what a piece of work into which you've evolved.

I have disdain for all "one-issue" voters, hiding behind so-called 'principles'.

Anybody that would take a chance on Hillary getting elected by declining to vote for the GOP Nominee is a Class A putz as far as I'm concerned.

I'm exactly the same person with exactly the same values I've always had.

I haven't changed, other than to become more resolved to maintain the values I believe in.

It's those of you on a Republican/Conservative board who've decided to become zealots for an outright leftist who is completely corrupt and doesn't share a single value with Republicans OR Conservatives who have radically changed.

Unless, of course, some of you were in favor of corrupt liberalism before and lied about it.

I prefer to think the best and assume you've changed.

I haven't.

That's what bugs you few the most.  Some of us don't have values for sale to the highest bidder.
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Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:

1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.

A loud and angry plurality, made up mostly of people who believe that Jim Robinson's Free Republic represents the majority of people in the US, and who largely lack a higher education, managed to get a certifiable lunatic egomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut and believes that every thought that generates from his mouth should be recorded by monks and added to the Scriptures nominated.

People who opposed him saw this, and knew that that Hillary's best chance at winning this election was a Trump nomination. We tried to warn that this would happen, and we were ignored and even berated for expressing our opinions.

So now that we are where we said we would be with a Trump nomination, to sit and try to assign to us what will happen to the SCOTUS as a result of the illogical and irrational support for Trump is sheer and unadulterated bull excrement.

Whatever negative consequences the future holds for our kids as a result of Hillary's picks for the SCOTUS, are the fault of those who insisted in nominating a predictably unelectable candidate, and not to those who tried their best to stop him from being nominated.

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Abortion is not slavery but I would say it is born out of racism.  Some of us are aware of Margaret Sanger and her Nazi ties. 

http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html

Absolutely.

Abortion is the modern day equivalent of slavery, both borne out of the same sin..... racism.

Abortion is the deepest stain on the soul of America.

And Trump supports it.

I can't vote for him.

Period.
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Abortion is the modern day equivalent of slavery, both borne out of the same sin..... racism.

Both abortion and slavery are rooted in denying the fundamental humanity of certain classes of people.  Certainly black slavery had deep roots in racism. 

For abortion, however, there is an element of choice that leads black women to abort their children at a rate far exceeding women of other races.  (In NYC, the statistics say that more black babies are aborted than born every year.)  The reasons for this are undoubtedly complex, though I suspect that it's often an economic decision, perhaps coupled with a cultural tendency for unmarried black women to become pregnant. 

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Both abortion and slavery are rooted in denying the fundamental humanity of certain classes of people.  Certainly black slavery had deep roots in racism. 

For abortion, however, there is an element of choice that leads black women to abort their children at a rate far exceeding women of other races.  (In NYC, the statistics say that more black babies are aborted than born every year.)  The reasons for this are undoubtedly complex, though I suspect that it's often an economic decision, perhaps coupled with a cultural tendency for unmarried black women to become pregnant.

You can't omit the fact that the origin of Planned Parenthood was to cause the elimination of the "Negro population" without saying it overtly in public.  PP set up its abortion clinics in inner city, mostly black neighborhoods, and preyed on the despair in those neighborhoods to create a 'superior' culture.

The deep tie between eugenics, abortion and the deep desire of the Progressives to get rid of undesirables make the connection between Democrat racism and abortion undeniable.

The Democrats could no longer enslave blacks, so they opted to kill them off before they were born.

And combined together with the "Great Society" which has exacerbated poverty in inner cities, they are succeeding in getting rid of those undesirables that Margaret Sanger hated so deeply.
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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I'd say that, in general and certainly here, they're not liberals in the sense we typically mean it.

What you're seeing, rather, is behavior that comes from supporting someone, and then having to constantly defend that person's indefensible behavior.

I've actually been there, in a different context.  Basically, the person (Trump in this case) identifies himself with a certain stance on a certain issue.   At some point the demagogue succeeds in becoming the embodiment of the issue, to the extent that giving up on the person feels like giving up on the issue.  And thus, lest we lose on the Big Things, the demagogue must be defended against all opponents, who must be dismissed in the most pejorative terms.

Progressives in the sense that Teddy Roosevelt was.

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Earlier this year, the GOP and right-wing voters in general had two things going for them:

1. A half dozen experienced candidates polling ahead of Clinton in a head-to-head match, and
2. The understanding that all that any one of those candidates would have to do to win the Presidency was to keep the voter's eyes trained on Hillary's scandals and shortcomings, and basically STFU about everything else.

A loud and angry plurality, made up mostly of people who believe that Jim Robinson's Free Republic represents the majority of people in the US, and who largely lack a higher education, managed to get a certifiable lunatic egomaniac who can't keep his mouth shut and believes that every thought that generates from his mouth should be recorded by monks and added to the Scriptures nominated.

People who opposed him saw this, and knew that that Hillary's best chance at winning this election was a Trump nomination. We tried to warn that this would happen, and we were ignored and even berated for expressing our opinions.

So now that we are where we said we would be with a Trump nomination, to sit and try to assign to us what will happen to the SCOTUS as a result of the illogical and irrational support for Trump is sheer and unadulterated bull excrement.

Whatever negative consequences the future holds for our kids as a result of Hillary's picks for the SCOTUS, are the fault of those who insisted in nominating a predictably unelectable candidate, and not to those who tried their best to stop him from being nominated.

Excellent post  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Great analysis on the moral superiority, vain, leftist liberal democrat #NeverTrump-ers, as they help put Clinton in office to finish off the USA as she creates a full on PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.

This is about the TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS. You let Clinton win, and you let her create a PRO-ABORT SCOTUS.
How do you think you are going to get TRUTH and a PRO-LIFE SCOTUS out of an incontinent prevaricator and supporter of Planned Parenthood?

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PS:  Hillary has spent the last 25 years revealing herself to us.

I read that really quick and thought you said, "Hillary has spent the last 25 years 'relieving' herself to us."    LOL.


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I won't be here after the election and vote.

If Hillary wins - I will be busy, BLOAT! (It won't be long before she won't let you buy.)

If Trump wins, I won't be here to GLOAT. (I don't want to hang around while everyone looks at every speck in his eye.)

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What's funny, Bill Bennett is a classic, by definition, establishment Rino. He is usually damned because he has pushed liberal policies on the GOP. example: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/09/12/bill-bennett-gets-paid-to-spin-common-core-to-conservatives/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3071472/posts

This article doesn't help Trump with those who oppose him, it reinforces why they oppose him.
Just someone else trying to use the tactics that Trump used that that appealed to them on us. That dog won't hunt.
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It is really hard to take this site some times. All I keep hearing are two distinct groups.

One group of people are dealing with reality as it exists, right now, today.

The other group is insisting that because something that was supposed to happen months ago, did not happen the way they wanted it to, that nothing that they do after that fateful day matters.

There is no way possible to undo the past. Saying that you have no responsibility for your actions in the present, in a given situation, is the most ridiculous argument ever.

You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing. If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.

This "not my fault" victim-hood argument is driving me crazy. The wife beater always says, "It's not my fault. I didn't want to. She made me do it."
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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You are always responsible for the results of your actions. It doesn't matter to me which decision you make, but for the sake of reason, at least accept what you are doing. If you do not vote for Trump, you are actively making a decision to help Hillary, especially if you start campaigning against the Republican nominee. It is not complicated. It is not an opinion. It is not even debatable. That is the reality we are all facing. At least own up to what you are doing.

I'm tired of this crap.

Let's put it this way: WE DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK.

How's that? 

Clear it up any for you?

What do you intend to do about it?

Put a gun to our heads and force us to vote for your dictator?

Or shoot us for treason because we will not vote the way you demand?




You all act like a bunch of freaking storm-trooping tyrants, the lot of you.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775