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The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« on: August 18, 2016, 01:05:05 pm »
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is.  He’s not a “movement conservative” – true.   He’s often crass and vulgar – true.  His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true.  "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,”  “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)

Okay.  Therefore… what?

Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.

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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 02:06:52 pm »
Ah yes... the standard rant of the trumpette set... After crowing about how they initially didn't need the conservative vote to push Orange Glorious over the finish line, now anyone who doesn't back him is "cowardly" and "traitorous."

Screw that... got it?

The most egregious "traitorous" act of all was to team up with strategic-voting democrat crossovers to foist a narcissistic, unprepared, insecure, emotionally and mentally unmoored, and UNELECTABLE blowhard into a once-winnable general election, knowing full well he would have his ass handed to him by Her Infernal Malevolence.

We warned you about Trump.  He may be many things -- and all things greatness unto himself (just ask him) -- but presidential material he is most assuredly not.  The blame for the coming debacle does NOT rest with those who oppose Trump.  Rather, it rests with him and those backing him. 

So give the pre-blaming exercises a rest.  This isn't FR... that BS doesn't fly here.
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 02:11:16 pm »
Opposing fascism isn't moral cowardice; to the contrary, it's a moral imperative.   
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 02:11:47 pm »
Ah yes... the standard rant of the trumpette set... After crowing about how they initially didn't need the conservative vote to push Orange Glorious over the finish line, now anyone who doesn't back him is "cowardly" and "traitorous."

Screw that... got it?

The most egregious "traitorous" act of all was to foist a narcissistic, unprepared, insecure, emotionally and mentally unmoored, and UNELECTABLE blowhard into a once-winnable general election, knowing full well he would have his ass handed to him by Her Infernal Malevolence.

We warned you about Trump.  He may be many things -- and all things greatness unto himself (just ask him) -- but presidential material he is most assuredly not.  The blame for the coming debacle does NOT rest with those who oppose Trump.  Rather, it rests with him and those backing him. 

So give the pre-blaming exercises a rest.  This isn't FR... that BS doesn't fly here.

Preach it, brother!
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2016, 02:12:14 pm »
Opposing fascism isn't moral cowardice; to the contrary, it's a moral imperative.
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2016, 02:13:28 pm »
This is funny.  Trumpsters like Walsh and Hannity smell defeat so they're looking around for somebody else to blame besides themselves and Trump.

They are putting forth the preposterous notion that #NeverTrump, who couldn't stop Trump in a voting pool of 27 million, can suddenly now defeat him when there are 114 million voting.

Look in the mirror, Trumpsters.  You nominated him, you drag him across the finish line.
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2016, 02:21:18 pm »
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it.  He can start that process with conservatism.  Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar.  A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.

I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2016, 02:29:18 pm »
  This is funny.  Trumpsters like Walsh and Hannity smell defeat so they're looking around for somebody else to blame besides themselves and Trump.
They are putting forth the preposterous notion that #NeverTrump, who couldn't stop Trump in a voting pool of 27 million, can suddenly now defeat him when there are 114 million voting.  Look in the mirror, Trumpsters.  You nominated him, you drag him across the finish line.
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"The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins"

That title is crap so not going to read the whole article.  Trump people can only call nonTrump people names - that's all they have. 

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2016, 02:38:06 pm »

Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.

Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2016, 02:45:10 pm »
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.

Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.

I won't enjoy any of that, not one bit.  But I'm still going to do the right thing.   

This is the choice folks like you have given us, TS.  I don't like it;  I fought the good fight to prevent it, in large part because I know Clinton's every bit as corrupt and despicable as you say she is.

 But, as of right now, she's the only one left with the means to defeat Trump.   
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2016, 02:45:46 pm »
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.

Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.

Yeah, that's distasteful for all of us, no?  So, knowing that, what was the point of pressing on with nominating the most unelectable candidate in generations??
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2016, 03:25:29 pm »
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.

Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.

Bring back Goosestepping in the streets!  Yeah that's the ticket!

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2016, 03:56:34 pm »
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it.  He can start that process with conservatism.  Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar.  A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.

I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2016, 03:56:51 pm »
For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is what the small but obsessive, increasingly deracinated, band of “never Trumpers” says he is.  He’s not a “movement conservative” – true.   He’s often crass and vulgar – true.  His quasi-grammatical flights of oratorical fancy often get him into trouble –also true.  "Words matter" they remind him, while calling him a “witless ape,” a “white nationalist,” and -- most childishly -- a "turd-tornado," who’s “dark,”  “condescending,” and a “lunatic,” to list some of the more printable epithets in the conservative press. (You can find plenty of the unprintables here, at Diana West's "Trump lexicon" link.)

Okay.  Therefore… what?

Remember that his opponent in this fall’s presidential election is former secretary of state Hillary Clinton – a woman so breathtakingly corrupt and at the same time so unaccountably privileged that FBI Director James Comey practically indicted her on national television, and then declined to prosecute over her unauthorized and leaky private email server. As a profile in cowardice, Comey is tough to beat.

snip...

https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2016/08/17/the-moral-cowardice-of-the-nevertrumpumpkins/

Therefore, you reap what you have sown.....always. 

In November, the highly flawed, crap candidate that you Trumpsters pushed upon the nation will lose to a slightly crappier candidate (both big-government leftists, however...in their stances re: never seen a government program they didn't just love)....and then Trumpsters will proceed to continue blaming anybody and everybody BUT themselves.  Yet another typical leftist-liberal trait....never accepting the blame for ones' own actions, words and deeds.

As for that ongoing accusation that those of us that oppose Trump are somehow immoral, the reality is it's the exact opposite.  Those that gave in to their lesser and baser nature by supporting The Don early on....and continue to do so despite his ever-growing warts problem....are the ones that are immoral IMO.  They are the ones that are, in fact, accepting evil.....albeit a falsely perceived lesser evil....since we really don't know just how bad Trump would be....or how much worse. 

But their only defense now is to pretend that ..."it's not me, it's them".  It is, quite frankly, bullchit.
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2016, 03:59:03 pm »
Guess we weren't as irrelevant as we were told.  :whistle:
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2016, 04:03:15 pm »
Opposing fascism isn't moral cowardice; to the contrary, it's a moral imperative.

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2016, 04:10:04 pm »
I don't see much "selling" of the candidate, I do see a lot of abusing the "irrelevant" segment of the base.  Why is that?  Why can't the Trump supporters "sell" him to me?  Are his positive attributes that rare?

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2016, 04:17:45 pm »
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it.  He can start that process with conservatism.  Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar.  A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.

I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2016, 04:31:45 pm »
More man than most of us will ever be but the least I can do is try.



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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2016, 04:32:23 pm »
Ah yes... the standard rant of the trumpette set... After crowing about how they initially didn't need the conservative vote to push Orange Glorious over the finish line, now anyone who doesn't back him is "cowardly" and "traitorous."

Screw that... got it?

The most egregious "traitorous" act of all was to team up with strategic-voting democrat crossovers to foist a narcissistic, unprepared, insecure, emotionally and mentally unmoored, and UNELECTABLE blowhard into a once-winnable general election, knowing full well he would have his ass handed to him by Her Infernal Malevolence.

We warned you about Trump.  He may be many things -- and all things greatness unto himself (just ask him) -- but presidential material he is most assuredly not.  The blame for the coming debacle does NOT rest with those who oppose Trump.  Rather, it rests with him and those backing him. 

So give the pre-blaming exercises a rest.  This isn't FR... that BS doesn't fly here.

Well put. 


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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2016, 04:49:33 pm »
If Trump wants my vote, he'll have to earn it.  He can start that process with conservatism.  Being better than Hillary is not just a low bar, it's a non-existent bar.  A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary.

I am willing to vote for Trump, but he's going to have to give me something to vote for.

Agreed.  And the continuous attacks on Ted Cruz and those who didn't support Trump in the primary doesn't accomplish that in any way, shape or form.
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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2016, 05:02:33 pm »
Walsh and his ilk can get bent.

They and their messiah told us they did not need nor want our support, that Trump would "win" without us.

Now that desperation is setting in, the shaming and intimidation tactics against those they have already told they did not need nor want are ratcheting up notches, exactly as we predicted they would.

Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.

Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.

YOU PEOPLE made that inevitability when you made Trump your prince.

Your ilk are to blame for all the consequences YOU made possible with the disgusting mob-tactics of your fellow Trump fanatics and the trashing of every real Conservative that was in the race.

You bought into the Trojan Stalking Horse sent by Hildabeast.  The disaster that is now upon us is the direct result of the choice you made.

Live with it.

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2016, 05:09:18 pm »
Moral cowardice is letting this go on every day all day without ever pushing back or even bothering to acknowledge it as long as they're on your side.


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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2016, 05:14:43 pm »
The guy equates morality with political belief. It's sad that many in today's America no longer even have a concept of what morality is...

The primary reason I will never vote for Clinton or Trump is because they both are amoral individuals and I do not want my kids to ever look at them as role models. I don't want them to grow up and be like either...

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Re: The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2016, 05:20:22 pm »
Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.

Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.

Threatening us with Clinton is a valid ploy.  In fact, it is the only ploy that trumpettes have.

But if Wolfcreek thinks his boy knows the meaning of deracinated, he might want to think again. 
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