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C'mon, TS, I'm not about to judge present-day Muslims by what went down in the year 700.  Centuries ago, Christians were burning witches at the stake.

In the year 2016, our fight is with Islamofascism, not mainstream Islam.

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Are you willing to go to Saudi Arabia and say that?
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Are you claiming the majority of Muslims are perfectly ok with non-Muslims living amongst them,drinking,dressing how they please,living their lives according to their own desires,marrying who they want to marry,etc,etc,etc?

Seriously? Do you not know anything about history?

The American melting pot can absorb Muslims just as it has absorbed other racial, religious and ethnic groups.   As HonestJ has said,  America is built around the Constitution's grand idea of individual autonomy and freedom.   It's the left that's obsessed with tribal identities.   Don't be suckered into playing that un-American game.   
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The American melting pot can absorb Muslims just as it has absorbed other racial, religious and ethnic groups.   As HonestJ has said,  America is built around the Constitution's grand idea of individual autonomy and freedom.   It's the left that's obsessed with tribal identities.   Don't be suckered into playing that un-American game.
In small numbers, perhaps, but history has shown that once Muslims become a certain percentage of the population, the dynamic completely changes.  Sure, a few Muslims amongst a large population are not likely to make any trouble.   
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Read this Pew Reseach study to learn about how many muslims across the world are peaceful, and how many are not.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

Plenty of your fellow Americans are concerned. Christians quit witchburning, but muslims didn't stop stoning women who have the misfortune of being raped---they do now.

How do Americans and Europeans perceive Muslims?

A Pew Research Center survey conducted in 2014 asked Americans to rate members of eight religious groups on a “feeling thermometer” from 0 to 100, where 0 reflects the coldest, most negative possible rating and 100 the warmest, most positive rating. Overall, Americans rated Muslims rather coolly – an average of 40, which was comparable to the average rating they gave atheists (41). Americans view the six other religious groups mentioned in the survey (Jews, Catholics, evangelical Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Mormons) more warmly.

Republicans and those who lean toward the Republican Party gave Muslims an average rating of 33, considerably cooler than Democrats’ rating toward Muslims (47).

Republicans also are more likely than Democrats to say they are very concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in the world (83% vs. 53%) and in the U.S. (65% vs. 38%), according to a December 2015 survey. That survey also found that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to say that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers (68% vs. 30% of Democrats) and that Muslims should be subject to more scrutiny than people of other religions (49% vs. 20%). Overall, most Americans (61%) say Muslims should not be subject to additional scrutiny solely because of their religion, while U.S. adults are closely divided on the question of whether Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence.

About half of Americans (49%) think at least “some” U.S. Muslims are anti-American, greater than the share who say “just a few” or “none” are anti-American, according to a January 2016 survey. On the other hand, the same survey also found that most Americans (59%) believe there is a lot of discrimination against Muslims in the U.S. today, and even more (76%) say discrimination against Muslims in the U.S. is on the rise.

Nearly half of U.S. adults (47%) say they do not personally know a Muslim, while a similar share (52%) do know at least one person who is Muslim.

In spring 2016, we asked residents of European counties whether they viewed Muslims favorably or unfavorably. Perceptions varied across European nations, from a largely favorable view in France (67%), Germany (65%) and the United Kingdom (63%) to a less favorable view in Italy (25%), Poland (19%) and Hungary (14%).
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The American melting pot can absorb Muslims just as it has absorbed other racial, religious and ethnic groups.   As HonestJ has said,  America is built around the Constitution's grand idea of individual autonomy and freedom.   It's the left that's obsessed with tribal identities.   Don't be suckered into playing that un-American game.

It is naive to ignore the world domination plan built into islam.  If you haven't read the following, please do:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

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Nearly half of refugees entering the U.S. this year are Muslim
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/16/nearly-half-of-refugees-entering-the-u-s-this-year-are-muslim/

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Refugees.  Not immigrants.

Refugees, by definition, are fleeing from a war/conflict... or from a country that would imprison them for their beliefs.

All that shows is that Islamic countries in the Middle East are experiencing a lot of war and conflict.  As if we didn't already know that...

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Are you willing to go to Saudi Arabia and say that?

I'd go to Iran and say it.

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The American melting pot can absorb Muslims just as it has absorbed other racial, religious and ethnic groups.   As HonestJ has said,  America is built around the Constitution's grand idea of individual autonomy and freedom.   It's the left that's obsessed with tribal identities.   Don't be suckered into playing that un-American game.

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Yes,but you can't absorb someone intent on absorbing you.

To absorb foreigners,the foreigners have to wish to become Americans and have American values. Sharia Law is contrary to EVERYTHING America stands for.
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Refugees.  Not immigrants.

Refugees, by definition, are fleeing from a war/conflict... or from a country that would imprison them for their beliefs.

 
Which a majority are fighting age men.   Where are the women and children?

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Refugees.  Not immigrants.
 
Distinction without a difference.

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Refugees.  Not immigrants.

Refugees, by definition, are fleeing from a war/conflict... or from a country that would imprison them for their beliefs.

All that shows is that Islamic countries in the Middle East are experiencing a lot of war and conflict.  As if we didn't already know that...

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Uhhhh,refugees ARE immigrants.

What do you think they are,tourists?
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Distinction without a difference.

I kinda already figured you didn't think there was a difference.

Of course, you're wrong... but it's good to have you on record for others to see.

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I'd go to Iran and say it.

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To who,another American?

If you had any REAL convictions that you are right,you would be happy to go to Saudi Arabia and try to open a church or temple.
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I kinda already figured you didn't think there was a difference.

Of course, you're wrong... but it's good to have you on record for others to see.
Ok, enlighten us as to what the difference is.

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Uhhhh,refugees ARE immigrants.

What do you think they are,tourists?

Ask yourself whether the refugees during WWII were immigrants?  Or the Korean War refugees.

Wars always produce refugees.  Most go back home if they can.

Only frozen conflicts or those where the victor will punish the refugees turn refugees into immigrants.
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Ask yourself whether the refugees during WWII were immigrants?  Or the Korean War refugees.

Wars always produce refugees.  Most go back home if they can.
You think the "refugees" in Merkel-Land are ever going to go back.  :silly:

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To who,another American?

If you had any REAL convictions that you are right,you would be happy to go to Saudi Arabia and try to open a church or temple.

No, I'd go to Iran and tell their Ayatollahs that, in person.  (of course, that presupposes I'd even be allow in... or allowed to meet them)

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Ok, enlighten us as to what the difference is.

I tell you what immigrants are... you reject it... I tell you you're wrong... and now you want to know what they are again?

Scroll up to the OP, it's right there.  You read it less than 10 minutes ago.

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Ask yourself whether the refugees during WWII were immigrants?  Or the Korean War refugees.

Wars always produce refugees.  Most go back home if they can.

Only frozen conflicts or those where the victor will punish the refugees turn refugees into immigrants.

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Yes,they were immigrants. Just like the Cubans that came here and still come here. It doesn't make any difference at all that some may decide to go back at some unspecified date in the future. After all,YOU are an American citizen,and you are free to get on a boat or airplane anything time you want and go to any of those places,so what would keep them from going back if they want?
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In small numbers, perhaps, but history has shown that once Muslims become a certain percentage of the population, the dynamic completely changes.  Sure, a few Muslims amongst a large population are not likely to make any trouble.

And that's our situation - I doubt that Muslims make up more than 1% - 2% of the population (and many of those are black Muslims, who've been around for years, and represent the backbone of black entrepreneurial enterprise in some cities).   

I have no problem with reforming our immigration laws to emphasize those who have skills that the American economy needs.  But religious tests?   That's un-American.   
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You think the "refugees" in Merkel-Land are ever going to go back.  :silly:

Ask yourself if the Koreans, should North Korea ever collapse and reunification occur... would they go back and try and reclaim their grandparent's property?

Or if the Cuban refugees, if Castro's regime fell and a democratic form of government come to be... would they try and reclaim their abandoned properties?

Or the Ukrainians who just fled the Russian annexation of the Crimea?

Or the Cypriots?
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You think the "refugees" in Merkel-Land are ever going to go back.  :silly:

I can tell you right now that the 1.5 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon would go back home *TODAY* if they could. 

The 1.26 million Syrian refugees in Jordan would do the same.  Also, the 2.7 million refugees in Turkey would agree with the compatriots in Lebanon and Jordan.

There are other nations hosting refugees as well... and I'd hazard that, no matter where, the Syrian refugees would like to live in their own land.

(Furthermore, these refugees listed above are living in a country where they don't have to learn a new language or deal with foreign customs.)

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I can tell you right now that the 1.5 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon would go back home *TODAY* if they could. 
 
Is Lebanon giving them bennies like the German government is?

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And that's our situation - I doubt that Muslims make up more than 1% - 2% of the population (and many of those are black Muslims, who've been around for years, and represent the backbone of black entrepreneurial enterprise in some cities).   

I have no problem with reforming our immigration laws to emphasize those who have skills that the American economy needs.  But religious tests?   That's un-American.
I disagree with religious tests, mainly on the grounds that they won't work,  it's too easy to simply lie.