‘New Nationalism’ Amounts to Generic White-Identity Politics...By Jonah Goldberg

[Jazzhead]

Time of declared war is a rather different context, and not applicable to peacetime.

That's true, but lots of folks think that's exactly where we are right now - at war.

Where Trump gets it wrong (and Evan McMullin gets it right), is that we are not at war with Muslims, but with Islamofascists.   To battle the latter, we need the help of the former (who are indeed the biggest victims of the latter). 

  As Donald Trump continues attacking Muslims and as a former CIA officer, I’d like all Americans to know the truth: American and other Muslims have played a central role in virtually every counterterrorism win we’ve had since 9/11. They are an indispensable asset in this fight. Attacking them as a group makes America weaker, not stronger.

   - Evan McMullin

[Oceander]

That's true, but lots of folks think that's exactly where we are right now - at war.

Where Trump gets it wrong (and Evan McMullin gets it right), is that we are not at war with Muslims, but with Islamofascists.   To battle the latter, we need the help of the former (who are indeed the biggest victims of the latter). 
 

   - Evan McMullin

I don't recollect there being a declaration of war.  At least back in WWII, there was a declaration of war.  Under the commonly accepted rules of international conduct, as well as internal U.S. law, a declaration of war makes certain things legal that were illegal prior to the declaration.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Apparently Republican Eisenhower missed your memo, when he deported folks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

And democrat FDR missed it too, when he interned folks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

Japanese in some but not all regions, some Germans and some Italians.

Real history fails to match the fairy tale ideals of white-guilt phony do-gooders.

Yeah interning American citizens without due process. That's the American way! Sieg Heil mein FReund!

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@HonestJohn

So,you think Eisenhower was wrong to deport illegal aliens and that King Franklin was wrong to lock away enemy nationals during a time of war?

"We iz da wurld.........

We iz da peep-pulls........"

Let's not forget there is an enormous difference between deporting illegal aliens and locking up American citizens presumed to be guilty because of their nationality.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Time of declared war is a rather different context, and not applicable to peacetime.

I thought it was whoever our betters decided it was at the time. Might makes right after all; who needs rights?

[dfwgator]

That's true, but lots of folks think that's exactly where we are right now - at war.

Where Trump gets it wrong (and Evan McMullin gets it right), is that we are not at war with Muslims, but with Islamofascists.   To battle the latter, we need the help of the former (who are indeed the biggest victims of the latter). 
 

   - Evan McMullin

When did Trump ever say he wanted to ban all Muslims?    He wants a better system to vet them, although it's difficult to see how even vetting could work, considering it would be easy to lie.  So the best approach is to simply temporarily halt immigration from the Middle East until a better system can be put in place.   Which I believe is what Trump has proposed.   Obama and Hillary simply want to dump them into this country without any vetting at all.

[sneakypete]

Time of declared war is a rather different context, and not applicable to peacetime.

@Oceander

True,so who is suggesting locking up immigrant CITIZENS that came here from Germany,Japan,or Italy?

As for Muslims,bleep them and the raped goats they rode here on. You can NOT be a Muslim and believe in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Islam is in conflict with individuality as well as every other freedom. The ONLY freedom Muslims have in Muslim countries is to obey Sharia Law or be punished and maybe even executed.

That old crap about "religious freedom" in context with Islam doesn't float,either. Islam is NOT  a religion. It is a form of dictatorial government.

[Jazzhead]

Islam is one of the three great Abrahamic religions of the world.  Our fight is with Islamofascists,  who pervert that faith just as Westboro Baptist perverts Christianity. 

[sneakypete]

Islam is one of the three great Abrahamic religions of the world.  Our fight is with Islamofascists,  who pervert that faith just as Westboro Baptist perverts Christianity.

BullBush. Islam is a political movement and government,not an actual religion. It is composed of masters and slaves,period.

[Restored]

And Westboro is like 100 people and not even a church anymore. You only know about them because the media created that strawman.
Meanwhile, there are thousands of terror attacks by Muslims every year.

[dfwgator]

And Westboro is like 100 people and not even a church anymore. You only know about them because the media created that strawman.
Meanwhile, there are thousands of terror attacks by Muslims every year.

Westboro is a Front organization for the likes of the Southern Poverty Law Center to try to paint conservatives in a bad light.

[Jazzhead]

BullBush. Islam is a political movement and government,not an actual religion. It is composed of masters and slaves,period.

Bullsh*t yourself.  We will agree to disagree.  But what's at stake is our ability to defeat the terrorists.  If we transform this into a crusade against a billion Muslims, we will lose. 

[dfwgator]

Bullsh*t yourself.  We will agree to disagree.  But what's at stake is our ability to defeat the terrorists.  If we transform this into a crusade against a billion Muslims, we will lose.

Don't you think that the reasonable Muslims could understand the need to take such drastic measures?  Is it a "Crusade" to suggest that maybe we need to do a bit of a better job of checking who we allow into this country?  But as usual, the Left uses their gift of hyperbole to blow things out of proportion, and the sheeple eat it up.

[skeeter]

Islam is one of the three great Abrahamic religions of the world.  Our fight is with Islamofascists,  who pervert that faith just as Westboro Baptist perverts Christianity.

Islam is one of the worlds great religions, and also a theocratic system entirely incompatible with western notions of freedom and individual sovereignty. Just as in other countries of the world, mix enough of its adherents within our society and we'll eventually have  problems.

The evidence is all over the place. Its just the truth.

[TomSea]

Tunisia closed over 80 radical Mosques, Tunisia is an Islamic country.  Tunisia is also a country where many ISIS recruits have come from.
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-tunisia-to-close-80-mosques-charged-with-inciting-violence-2099288

France closed a bunch.

Leaders like Egypt's Al Sisi has quotes against Radical Islam.

In Japan, the religion is almost outlawed.

This isn't just folks deciding to be discriminatory against a religion.

Many Muslims are good people we know that and we may know some even.

Saudi Arabia sends money overseas to build Mosques in places like Germany. I think Germany was taking measures against this kind of "charity".

Really, an expert could list reasons all day long.

It's really a theocracy more than a religion.

[Jazzhead]

  Is it a "Crusade" to suggest that maybe we need to do a bit of a better job of checking who we allow into this country? 

Of course not.  That's perfectly reasonable.  But what I was responding to was this bigoted crap:

As for Muslims,bleep them and the raped goats they rode here on. You can NOT be a Muslim and believe in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Our fight is with Islamofascists.   

[TomSea]

There is always radicalism in Islam.

If you have a 5%Muslim  population, 10% like France, often problems will ensue.

Even other than 911, we've had the attacks here.

No, I don't think their values are compatible with ours, we end up getting honor killings, FGM, female genital mutilation, all kinds of things like that not even talking about terrorism.

[TomSea]

BullBush. Islam is a political movement and government,not an actual religion. It is composed of masters and slaves,period.

Totally agree with SP's posts here. Well said.

[truth_seeker]

Islam is one of the three great Abrahamic religions of the world.  Our fight is with Islamofascists,  who pervert that faith just as Westboro Baptist perverts Christianity.

Islam has been an expansionist political movement from the very start. It is written down in their good book.

The Battle of Tours, France in the 700s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

The Siege of Vienna - 1529

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna

These attempted advances were not by mere small bands of "islamofascists" but rather by large organized armies of mainstream islam forces

To ignore this is denial of the highest, most naïve degree.

[Jazzhead]

C'mon, TS, I'm not about to judge present-day Muslims by what went down in the year 700.  Centuries ago, Christians were burning witches at the stake.

In the year 2016, our fight is with Islamofascism, not mainstream Islam.   

[guitar4jesus]

C'mon, TS, I'm not about to judge present-day Muslims by what went down in the year 700.  Centuries ago, Christians were burning witches at the stake.

In the year 2016, our fight is with Islamofascism, not mainstream Islam.

One cannot be separated from the other.

[sneakypete]

Westboro is a Front organization for the likes of the Southern Poverty Law Center to try to paint conservatives in a bad light.

@dfwgator

You know,I hadn't even thought of it,but now that you mention it,it wouldn't surprise me at all to discover the SPLC or some similar commie fascist organization is financing those people.

A "False Flag" operation.

[sneakypete]

Bullsh*t yourself.  We will agree to disagree.  But what's at stake is our ability to defeat the terrorists.  If we transform this into a crusade against a billion Muslims, we will lose.

@Jazzhead

It's not US that started the Crusade. It's THEM. ISLAM has declared war on US,and our basic response had been the PC response to defend and make excuses for the very people WHO HAVE DECLARED THEMSELVES TO BE OUR ENEMY.

Islam is and always has been a system of government that acquires new slaves via conquest.

What's it going to take for you people to wake up,a nuke going off in London and NYC?

[sneakypete]

Of course not.  That's perfectly reasonable.  But what I was responding to was this bigoted crap:

Our fight is with Islamofascists.

@Jazzhead

Are you claiming the majority of Muslims are perfectly ok with non-Muslims living amongst them,drinking,dressing how they please,living their lives according to their own desires,marrying who they want to marry,etc,etc,etc?

Seriously? Do you not know anything about history?

[Jazzhead]

One cannot be separated from the other.

Yes, they can, and they must.  We don't have the resources or the will to fight a billion Muslims.  Every single one of our counterterrorism successes against the Islamofascists has been due in part to cooperation from Muslims with whom we have partnered.  Far more Muslims have been victimized by ISIS than any other group.

ISIS is cheering your every word.   ISIS's goal is to goad the West into embarking on a new Crusade,  and constantly tells all who will listen that the West opposes all of Islam.   We should not be playing into their hands, but rather be smart, find and work with Muslim allies, identify the Islamofascists, and kill them.