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Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« on: August 16, 2016, 02:14:46 pm »
The Roanoke Times
http://www.heraldcourier.com/opinion/virginia-may-not-be-considered-a-swing-state-in-november/article_c12d51e9-dd2f-5973-9e7d-6f13d3730312.html
Well, that was fun while it lasted.
We refer, of course, to Virginia’s run as a swing state. For decades, Virginia was a lock for Republicans in presidential years. Then, in 2008 and 2012, we enjoyed newfound status as a battleground state.
Well, Republicans may not have enjoyed it, based on the outcome – but least we all got to see candidates from both parties up close and personal. We went into 2016 expecting to be a swing state again. The National Journal even pegged Virginia as the swing state, the state most likely to determine the outcome. That was back in January. Now it’s August, and look what’s happened.
Last week, two polls – the first conducted in the state since early July – gave Hillary Clinton double-digits leads in the Old Dominion -- 12 percentage points in one, 13 in another.
Previous polls in the state, conducted before both parties held their conventions, had put Clinton up anywhere from 5-7 percentage points, so she’s essentially doubled her lead. Even more interestingly, all the movement has been on the Clinton side. Donald Trump’s numbers are basically stagnant, while it’s Clinton who has picked up support. (In the CBS/You Gov poll: Clinton 49, Trump 37. In the NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll: Clinton 46, Trump 33.)
Is it possible we’re no longer a swing state, Trump’s recent visits to Roanoke, Loudoun County and Abingdon, notwithstanding?
It’s rarely wise to place all your bets on a single poll. The key variable in each poll is what it thinks the electorate will look like on Election Day, and nobody knows whether (a) Clinton will be able to generate the same turnout of Millennials and minorities that Barack Obama did twice and whether (b) Trump will be able to generate a bigger turnout than usual of blue-collar white voters.
Still, based on the best guesses of multiple pollsters working independently, the Virginia results are more or less in line with other polls, which show Clinton ahead in some surprising places: Arizona. Georgia. This week the Clinton campaign started moving money into both states. One of three things is happening here:
1. Clinton is starting to run away with the election after Trump’s disastrous post-convention rollout.
2. We’re seeing a realignment happening, with Democrats ascendant in suburbanizing Sun Belt states with large minority populations, while Trump makes inroads in previously Democratic bastions in the Rust Belt – although we haven’t seen the Midwestern numbers to support that yet.
3. Everything’s wrong because the polling models are wrong.
Feel free to pick whichever answer gives you the most comfort until we get a more definitive one on Nov. 8.
A political campaign is a numbers game. In a presidential year, that number is 270 – the number of electoral votes needed to win the White House. However, here are some others you might be interested in.

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$0. That’s how much money the Clinton campaign is now spending on television advertising in Virginia. Its latest ad buy conspicuously omits Virginia, presumably because the campaign considers the state now safely in its corner. The campaign also has stopped buying time in Colorado, another swing state where Clinton leads. Instead, the campaign’s current ad buy is concentrated in seven other swing states – Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
$0. That’s how much the pro-Clinton political action committee Priorities USA Action is now spending on television time in Virginia. Ditto Colorado. Instead, the PAC has suspended its advertising here and is currently concentrating on the seven states listed above, although it’s set to start advertising in both Colorado and Virginia again next week. If you want to find out what a campaign thinks of its prospects, don’t ask it; just follow the money.
Based on these figures, you’ve got to think we won’t see Clinton in these parts (or even running mate Tim Kaine). If Kaine can’t secure Virginia for her, it’s hard to imagine Clinton herself could do so.
$0. That’s how much money the Trump campaign is spending on television advertising in Virginia right now.
$0. That’s also how much pro-Trump PACs have spent in Virginia.
Now, here’s the national context for those numbers:
$52 million. That’s how much money the Clinton campaign has already spent nationally so far on television time versus, wait for it . . .
$0. That’s right. We’re 100 days out from the election, and the Trump campaign hasn’t bought television time anywhere.
Now, as we’ve seen, lots of spending today happens through other groups, so let’s look at those.
$16 million. That’s how much money Priorities USA Action has spent nationally on television time, boosting the “Team Clinton” total to $68 million.
$6 million. That’s how much various pro-Trump groups have spent, to create a present bottom line of $68 million to $6 million. Out of that, Clinton has targeted $13.6 million alone just on the Olympics.
Let’s look at some more numbers:
$98 million. That’s how much more airtime Clinton and pro-Clinton groups have bought this fall, with the vast majority of that concentrated on those nine swing states. Virginia is among those, but the amount purchased in Virginia is the smallest of any of the states being targeted, according to the media firm SMG Delta. By contrast . . .
$817,000. That’s how much money the Trump campaign and pro-Trump groups have bought this fall, with most of it in just three states – Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania – and none of it in Virginia.
Have we ever seen such an imbalance of resources in a presidential campaign?
Either Trump has figured out a new way to campaign – and given his success so far with Twitter and “free media,” you’ve got to admit that’s possible – or his amateurish campaign is getting outclassed. It’s one thing to win a party’s nomination; it’s quite another to run a general election campaign.
You can also turn all these numbers around and ask: For as much as Clinton is outspending Trump, why isn’t she up even more in the polls? The answer to that question might also be expressed by a number:
33,000. That’s the number of Clinton’s deleted emails that Trump invited the Russians to find, jokingly or otherwise.
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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2016, 02:24:04 pm »
A new WaPo poll has Clinton at 52 here in Virginia, with Trump at 38.  And he's losing the MILITARY vote by 8%. 

When is the last time a Republican lost the military?  Has it ever happened before?  I seriously don't know.

But I'm sure someone will be along to tell me why those numbers, just like all the rest, are wrong.

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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2016, 02:34:41 pm »
A new WaPo poll has Clinton at 52 here in Virginia, with Trump at 38.  And he's losing the MILITARY vote by 8%. 

When is the last time a Republican lost the military?  Has it ever happened before?  I seriously don't know.

But I'm sure someone will be along to tell me why those numbers, just like all the rest, are wrong.

They're not wrong.  As we've seen here in VA, the infestation from Maryland, DC and other NE liberal bastions in the northern part has nearly completed the planned consolidation of power in a once-conservative state.  The military seems to be a reflection of that.  After nearly eight years of radical cultural reorientation, the military is no longer the bastion of conservatism it once was.  That Hillary is leading in that sector by 8% is not surprising at all. 

Got to give the left its props... it planned, prepared and long-marched its way through the past few decades to dominance in this country.  They fought for every inch and never let up one nanosecond to rest on their laurels.  I often curse Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid for their evil nature, but they deserve grudging admiration for never tiring in their fight to bring the democrats to what is emerging as a permanent majority.
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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2016, 02:39:28 pm »
Problem is, after nearly eight years of radical cultural reorientation, the military is no longer the bastion of conservatism it once was.  That Hillary is leading in that sector by 8% is not surprising at all.

Got to give the left its props... it planned, prepared and long-marched its way through the past few decades to dominance in this country.  They fought for every inch and never let up one nanosecond to rest on their laurels.  And now, they're closing in on a permanent majority.

 I heard an interesting theory that the reason the military wants nothing to do with Trump is due to his involvement with Russia.

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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2016, 02:42:54 pm »
I heard an interesting theory that the reason the military wants nothing to do with Trump is due to his involvement with Russia.

That very well may be; I think another factor is Hillary -- with all her many, many perils and faults -- is nonetheless the devil they know.  Trump is far too mercurial and unstable for a majority of Americans.

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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2016, 02:51:44 pm »
Ensuring that Virginia is in the Dem column lies behind Clinton's calculus in picking Kaine as her running mate.  A brilliant move on several levels (including as a pivot to the center after the primaries dominated by the Sanders crazies),  Kaine's place on the ticket makes it a nightmare scenario for any Republican to assemble the 270 electoral votes needed for victory.   Trump's response will be to pick off blue states in the Rust Belt -  states like Michigan and Pennsylvania that haven't gone for the GOP for President in years.   
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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2016, 02:53:43 pm »
That very well may be; I think another factor is Hillary -- with all her many, many perils and faults -- is nonetheless the devil they know.  Trump is far too mercurial and unstable for a majority of Americans.

I think you're right.

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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2016, 02:58:15 pm »
... but Reagan!

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Re: Virginia may not be considered a swing state in November
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2016, 05:24:33 pm »
Ensuring that Virginia is in the Dem column lies behind Clinton's calculus in picking Kaine as her running mate.  A brilliant move on several levels (including as a pivot to the center after the primaries dominated by the Sanders crazies),  Kaine's place on the ticket makes it a nightmare scenario for any Republican to assemble the 270 electoral votes needed for victory.   Trump's response will be to pick off blue states in the Rust Belt -  states like Michigan and Pennsylvania that haven't gone for the GOP for President in years.


Here is the thing, Michigan has a huge Muslim population, and Pennsylvania, well I don't see that state turning red..
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