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Trump Is Facing an Electoral College Wipeout
« on: August 15, 2016, 05:54:49 pm »
http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-is-facing-an-electoral-college-wipeout/article/2003830

Trump Is Facing an Electoral College Wipeout

According to the current polls.

7:46 AM, AUG 15, 2016 |

 By JAY COST
 

The national polls paint a grim portrait for the Donald Trump campaign. The current Real Clear Politics average of the two-way polls shows Hillary Clinton with a commanding 6.8 percent lead. While there is still plenty of time left in the campaign, it is difficult to overcome such a large deficit after the parties have already held their conventions. This problem is worsened by the fact that the undisciplined Trump seems to lack the wherewithal to right his wobbly ship.

In 2012, Mitt Romney ran relatively close to Barack Obama in the national polls. The final Real Clear Politics average had Obama up by less than one percent, and Romney led in the average for most of the final month of the campaign. There was a notable divergence between the state and national polls that cycle, with the state polls showing Obama in much better shape. The latter turned out to be right, as Obama won a comfortable victory.

What are the state polls showing this cycle?

Over the course of August to date, there has been a decent amount of polling data from red, blue, and purple states. Overall, reputable pollsters have conducted surveys in 14 states, and when we factor those into our analysis, an already bleak outlook for Trump grows darker still. Combined, they show Hillary Clinton on track to win the largest Electoral College victory since 1988.

To illustrate this, I broke the states into three categories: those that have voted Republican and Democratic at least once in the last 16 years; those that have voted only for Democrats; and those that have voted only for Republicans. As a way to gauge Trump's standing, I've used Romney's margin of victory or defeat from 2012 for a baseline. Let's see how Trump stacks up.




The traditional swing states have received the most attention from pollsters, and on balance they show Trump running about 3.5 points behind Romney, which is roughly consistent with a 7-point nationwide defeat (about the magnitude of McCain's loss in 2008). Note that Trump is doing relatively well in Iowa and Ohio, two swing states where the white working class is more prominent. It is not hard to imagine Trump beating Romney's margins in places like Dubuque and Youngstown. Meanwhile, in Colorado and Virginia—two states with much more racial and ethnic diversity—he is running far behind.




The historically blue states show a near-identical portrait, with Trump running solidly behind Romney. The Trump Team continues to talk about Pennsylvania as if it is in play—at the moment, it clearly is not.

The red states are where Trump is really struggling.


 
This is a substantial underperformance by the Republican nominee. Clinton looks to have corralled much of the Democratic vote in these states, but a good chunk of Republicans are holding out on Trump.

How does all of this factor into the Electoral College? If these numbers hold, all of the purple states would easily fall into Clinton's column. Similarly, the blue states would remain solidly blue. Moreover, Trump would shed several states that have historically been reliably Republican. If he underperforms Romney by 10 points in red states on Election Day, this is what the Electoral College map would look like.



 
This is not a prediction of what will happen in November, but a projection based upon the current polling. Importantly, it assumes a uniform swing among the red states—that, since Trump is underperforming by an average of 10 points in the states that have been polled, he is doing the same in states that haven't been polled. This is probably not true—there will likely be variation around the average. It also assumes that Trump cannot bring wayward Republicans home. If he does, his margins in the red states will improve.

The point of this exercise is to demonstrate the scope of defeat that Trump is facing. It is incredible. Currently, these numbers point to the largest electoral college landslide since George H.W. Bush's victory in 1988—which has long been seen as impossible in this age of polarized party politics. Maybe these numbers hold, maybe they don't. The point is that Trump is struggling mightily—in all sorts of places the GOP usually takes for granted.

Republicans would do well to consider ditching their efforts to rescue this erratic and undisciplined nominee, and begin focusing on minimizing their losses in the House and Senate. If these margins hold, the only chance the GOP will have to retain either chamber of Congress is to convince a large block of voters to split their tickets. That is no little feat in this age of increasing straight-party voting—so Republicans need to begin making the argument for divided government sooner rather than later.

They should also be ready for problems in surprising states and districts. With numbers like these, Roy Blount is going to struggle to hold his Missouri seat, as will John McCain in Arizona. A whole range of House seats might end up being lost that, at this moment, nobody is really considering. Congressional elections can break late—and if a party is not ready, it can be caught flat-footed
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Re: Trump Is Facing an Electoral College Wipeout
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2016, 05:59:27 pm »
A loss in a landslide to a vile wretch like Hillary is exactly what any rational person would expect from the likes of lifelong liberal puke Donald Trump.







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Re: Trump Is Facing an Electoral College Wipeout
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 06:05:24 pm »
There's still time for Trump to step down, or be pressured to step down, before Labor Day and start of the fall campaign season.   
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Re: Trump Is Facing an Electoral College Wipeout
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2016, 06:10:28 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2016, 06:15:05 pm »
If Trump doesn't change the course by Labor Day, then we are going to see an Electoral College Wipeout
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Re: Trump Is Facing an Electoral College Wipeout
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2016, 06:24:39 pm »
There's still time for Trump to step down, or be pressured to step down, before Labor Day and start of the fall campaign season.

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2016, 06:26:23 pm »
I've been thinking that Trump could save face by faking a terminal illness and dropping out for health reasons.  Then only to be miraculously cured, on his death bed,  on or after Nov 9th.

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2016, 06:26:40 pm »
If Trump were a real patriot, he'd acknowledge that this has gone wayyyy beyond what he believed would ever happen, and come to realize he's too far in over his head.  He would announce RIGHT NOW that he's stepping out of this campaign, and will work with Republican leaders to come to agreement on a viable replacement.

But... he won't. 

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2016, 06:28:30 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

Imitation Conservative Pukes who talked Bush into the Middle Eastern Wars that have devastated Christianity.

They are far more conservative than Trump

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2016, 06:50:38 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

Imitation Conservative Pukes who talked Bush into the Middle Eastern Wars that have devastated Christianity.

You actually had a good start here at TBR.  But my gosh, this sort of stuff shows that you're just another internet loudmouth whose opinions are spinning out of control.  TOS fell prey to this sort of stuff.

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2016, 07:11:30 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

This is just what Charlie Sykes was talking about in his recent interview with Business Insider.  Today's conservatives only want to read news from sources that affirm their opinions.  Anything else is to be dismissed as liberal Bee Ess!!  That approach didn't get you anywhere in the Obama years, and it won't you get anywhere now.  Most people do not live in a right-wing media safe space.

All information we have points towards a Hillary Clinton victory, unless Trump withdraws before Labor Day.  His negatives are unprecedented.

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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2016, 07:15:52 pm »
The WSJ said that  Most of the media want Trump to lose, but then that was also true of George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, It’s true of every Republican presidential nominee. The difference this time is that Trump has made it so easy for the media and his opponents.

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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2016, 07:22:10 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

Imitation Conservative Pukes who talked Bush into the Middle Eastern Wars that have devastated Christianity.

You have become a broken record.  You should stop.  Really. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2016, 07:49:37 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

Imitation Conservative Pukes who talked Bush into the Middle Eastern Wars that have devastated Christianity.

Sorry to respond to a thread hijack, but Christianity is devastated?  Somebody should have told us Christians.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2016, 07:52:59 pm »
Sorry to respond to a thread hijack, but Christianity is devastated?  Somebody should have told us Christians.

In 1900 Christians made up more than 40% of the middle eastern population. Today its under 2% and 38% were long gone before Bush ever took office.

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2016, 07:59:27 pm »
In 1900 Christians made up more than 40% of the middle eastern population. Today its under 2% and 38% were long gone before Bush ever took office.

Islam has been on the jihadi warpath for a long time

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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2016, 08:01:13 pm »
Islam has been on the jihadi warpath for a long time

Yup. Even Winston Churchill warned about Islam and Wahabi islam in particular.

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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2016, 08:05:09 pm »
Sorry to respond to a thread hijack, but Christianity is devastated?  Somebody should have told us Christians.

Historically, the Christians most close to Jesus Christ himself.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-the-iraq-war-became-a-war-on-christians/

And by the way, that was in response to some rhetoric posted above and phrased somewhat like that bitter remark.

Elections, well being of Christians around the world? The weekly standard a vehicle for neo-cons who supported that war? It seems related to me.

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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2016, 08:11:51 pm »
I've been thinking that Trump could save face by faking a terminal illness and dropping out for health reasons.  Then only to be miraculously cured, on his death bed,  on or after Nov 9th.

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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2016, 08:20:43 pm »
He will throw everything into winning Maine and Connecticut!

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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 08:21:13 pm »
Historically, the Christians most close to Jesus Christ himself.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-the-iraq-war-became-a-war-on-christians/

And by the way, that was in response to some rhetoric posted above and phrased somewhat like that bitter remark.

Elections, well being of Christians around the world? The weekly standard a vehicle for neo-cons who supported that war? It seems related to me.

Thank you for the link, I appreciate the reference for topic.

I think that point of view is very naive in believing it was going to be good for Christians letting those powers continue to grow their oppression on others.

Christianity Devestated?  I guess the hyperbole is always an alarm for me.  It always sounds like nonsense or the source very ignorant. 
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2016, 08:21:56 pm »
You have become a broken record.  You should stop.  Really.

Someone once said something about repeating a lie often enough.
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2016, 10:30:39 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

Imitation Conservative Pukes who talked Bush into the Middle Eastern Wars that have devastated Christianity.

U maed a funni.

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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2016, 11:07:27 pm »
Well, Trump primary voters, you had to have him.  Look what you've wrought.


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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2016, 11:10:00 pm »
So says the Establishment Weekly Standard, voice piece for Neo-Cons like Bill Kristol, typical hate peddlers.

Imitation Conservative Pukes who talked Bush into the Middle Eastern Wars that have devastated Christianity.

@TomSea, could you specify the hate peddled by Bill Kristol?  I'm asking sincerely.