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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #175 on: August 14, 2016, 11:11:57 pm »
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David repented with all of his heart before God.  Read Psalm 51, which he wrote, if you want to know how terribly he regretted his sins.

Trump, on the other hand, says he sees no need for repentance or forgiveness because he's done nothing wrong. 

Comparing the two men just doesn't work.

Judging any man's soul is the riskiest of risk business. When we (Christians) do that, we are setting the standard for our  own judgement by the real Judge.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #176 on: August 14, 2016, 11:15:16 pm »
No but thats not the point . we as sinners find ourselves better than trump. I think not
I was and am a Cruz guy ,got tossed off of tos for it . but the  way people think they are better than trump is foolish. get a grip. and see my tag and read it.

Are we better than a pimp and child molester? Are we not better than a con man and liar? Sure we are all sinners, but some us have repented and seek salvation. Trump would never do that.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #177 on: August 14, 2016, 11:18:07 pm »

Remember the Clinton years, when Republicans maintained that moral character mattered in a president?

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A position of convenience, it seems to me in retrospect...
But I don't care - The folks that matter to me are the ones that are like me - I'll keep going the cowboy way, where a sharp eye, a rough hand, and a firm grip say it all. Character comes first... the rest follows. And that's the kind i'll vote for.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #178 on: August 14, 2016, 11:20:15 pm »
Oh for crying out loud knock it off!.....I am sick to death of all the Hitler and brown shirt references...I had relatives free concentration camp survivors and saw the Nazi horrors first hand..when people throw those Nazi comparisons out they don't know what the hell they are talking about!

If I vote for Trump I am considered immoral now.....I am 65yo and never once in all those years have I been told I am immoral...anything but!.......I personally feel insulted.

You aren't the only one whose family members liberated the death camps.  My grandfather did as well.  I remember him talking about the Hitler Youth.  About how one kid who gave him a copy of Mein Kampf, telling him that he'd come to understand it and come to follow Hitler's teachings.

The similarities between their followers are not insignificant.

For we've never had a candidate who advocated violence against the opposition and who promised to use the levers of power to punish his enemies.

Nor have we seen the level of hate spewed by Trump supporters to everyone not a Trump supporter.

Nor have we seen overt racialism as part of a campaign before, with statements from supporters declaring that anyone not supporting Trump is a race traitor.

But we did see it 85 years ago.
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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #179 on: August 14, 2016, 11:21:02 pm »
Are we better than a pimp and child molester? Are we not better than a con man and liar? Sure we are all sinners, but some us have repented and seek salvation. Trump would never do that.

Never?


I won't be here after the election and vote.

If Hillary wins - I will be busy, BLOAT! (It won't be long before she won't let you buy.)

If Trump wins, I won't be here to GLOAT. (I don't want to hang around while everyone looks at every speck in his eye.)

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #180 on: August 14, 2016, 11:23:09 pm »
The anti trump here seems as bad as the for trump on the TOS. But I do like it here.

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Are people getting banned here? No. Are people mobbed and threatened for not complying? No, they aren't. The two sites are nothing alike.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #181 on: August 14, 2016, 11:23:34 pm »
I was and am a Cruz guy ,...


Me 2. But I decided to walk away a while back. I saw early on how TOS was going to go. It was going to be a real nasty thing going on there; and sure enough, it is.



I won't be here after the election and vote.

If Hillary wins - I will be busy, BLOAT! (It won't be long before she won't let you buy.)

If Trump wins, I won't be here to GLOAT. (I don't want to hang around while everyone looks at every speck in his eye.)

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #182 on: August 14, 2016, 11:24:48 pm »
Judging any man's soul is the riskiest of risk business.

I don't judge his soul. I judge his character and his history. Trump is a horrible and indecent person, a terrible human being through and through.,

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #183 on: August 14, 2016, 11:25:25 pm »
Trumps life is not over he can repent. do you people not understand the lord ?

So it's valid to compare David with Trump because David repented and Trump might?

No.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #184 on: August 14, 2016, 11:27:43 pm »
Repentance is shown, not spoken.
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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #185 on: August 14, 2016, 11:28:08 pm »
Times are changing as foretold:

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!

Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink,

Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And take away the rights of the ones who are in the right!


Isaiah 5:21 - 24

I agree with that.  Obama, and now Trump, have proven that people of all types will fall on their knees for a strongman who promises to deliver them.  I believe it's all a foreshadowing of things to come.


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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #186 on: August 14, 2016, 11:28:51 pm »
Are we better than a pimp and child molester? Are we not better than a con man and liar? Sure we are all sinners, but some us have repented and seek salvation. Trump would never do that.
David killed a man and committed sin with bathsheba  and was a con artist for awhile .
Do you people read? And don't say what, read for yourself its in the bible.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #187 on: August 14, 2016, 11:30:45 pm »
Times are changing as foretold:


Strap up... It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #188 on: August 14, 2016, 11:32:52 pm »
So it's valid to compare David with Trump because David repented and Trump might?

No.
We don't what Trump  did or will do . so take it from that point.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #189 on: August 14, 2016, 11:33:27 pm »
David killed a man and committed sin with bathsheba  and was a con artist for awhile .
Do you people read? And don't say what, read for yourself its in the bible.

Trump is still a conniving liar to this day. I wonder how many women he has on the side right now?

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #190 on: August 14, 2016, 11:36:06 pm »
You aren't the only one whose family members liberated the death camps.  My grandfather did as well.  I remember him talking about the Hitler Youth.  About how one kid who gave him a copy of Mein Kampf, telling him that he'd come to understand it and come to follow Hitler's teachings.

The similarities between their followers are not insignificant.

For we've never had a candidate who advocated violence against the opposition and who promised to use the levers of power to punish his enemies.

Nor have we seen the level of hate spewed by Trump supporters to everyone not a Trump supporter.

But we did see it 85 years ago.

If you were to have queried the German people as a whole in 1929 about a party like the Nazi's gaining control over their country they would have recommended you see a head doctor.
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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #191 on: August 14, 2016, 11:37:00 pm »
Judging any man's soul is the riskiest of risk business. When we (Christians) do that, we are setting the standard for our  own judgement by the real Judge.

Don-o, if I were judging Trump's soul, I would have claimed to know his eternal destination.  I didn't do that.  And you know it.

What I did was state facts:  David repented before God.  Trump's pride tells him he doesn't need to do so, according to his own words.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #192 on: August 14, 2016, 11:38:17 pm »
David killed a man and committed sin with bathsheba  and was a con artist for awhile .
Do you people read? And don't say what, read for yourself its in the bible.

And David lost his Kingship over his sins. So why would we want someone proud of his to lead us?
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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #193 on: August 14, 2016, 11:38:41 pm »
If you were to have queried the German people as a whole in 1929 about a party like the Nazi's gaining control over their country they would have recommended you see a head doctor.

Death rides swiftly - not by force, but by appeasement.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #194 on: August 14, 2016, 11:40:13 pm »
We don't what Trump  did or will do . so take it from that point.

Exactly, we don't know what might happen.  Therefore, we can't compare an Old Testament patriarch with a pathological liar and strip club owner.  It makes me sick to see the attempt, really.


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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #195 on: August 14, 2016, 11:44:00 pm »
It  is an  opinion. Last time I checkd Laura Ingram is not God.

And the same applies to anyone else here.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #196 on: August 14, 2016, 11:48:27 pm »
And the same applies to anyone else here.
This was a rough thread  thanks for that.

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #197 on: August 14, 2016, 11:48:37 pm »
Strap up... It's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Best Election Year EVER!!



I won't be here after the election and vote.

If Hillary wins - I will be busy, BLOAT! (It won't be long before she won't let you buy.)

If Trump wins, I won't be here to GLOAT. (I don't want to hang around while everyone looks at every speck in his eye.)

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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #198 on: August 14, 2016, 11:51:34 pm »
David killed a man and committed sin with bathsheba  and was a con artist for awhile .
Do you people read? And don't say what, read for yourself its in the bible.

Sorry but not getting the point.  David was punished for his sins.  I find the justification for Trump from Christians puzzling.  First of all even though we know that God is the same yesterday, today and forever the punishment for sin has been taken from us by Jesus on the Cross.  So calling out stories of sin from the OT still has to be taken in the context of our current state of Grace.

As I pointed out today Anne Graham Lotz referring to a modern day Nebuchadnezzar is flawed.  I say that with utmost respect for Anne and the Graham family.  But I don't understand.  It took Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego going through the fire to get the conversion.  Are we supposed to go through the fire to see Trump turn to God and admit that he is a sinner in need of God?
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Re: The Morality of Voting for Trump
« Reply #199 on: August 14, 2016, 11:53:05 pm »
Repentance is shown, not spoken.

Repentance is an action, true, but someone who has had a true conversion to Christ wants to talk about instead of farming out the story to others.

He's also able to converse in a manner that doesn't sound like he's fumbling around and faking it.

Right around the time James Dobson told us about Trump's conversion (and later backtracked), Ben Carson let it slip that Donald is little more than an atheist.  So forgive me if I don't buy the campaign trail conversion story from Paula White.