The Morality of Voting for Trump

[roamer_1]

Best Election Year EVER!!

WOOOHOOooo!

[unknown]

Repentance is an action, true, but someone who has had a true conversion to Christ wants to talk about instead of farming out the story to others.

He's also able to converse in a manner that doesn't sound like he's fumbling around and faking it.

Right around the time James Dobson told us about Trump's conversion (and later backtracked), Ben Carson let it slip that Donald is little more than an atheist.  So forgive me if I don't buy the campaign trail conversion story from Paula White.

I agree.

Trump does not act like a faithful believer.

[RoosGirl]

This was a rough thread  thanks for that.

Sorry to ruin anyone's righteous indignation. ;)

[roamer_1]

I agree.

Trump does not act like a faithful believer.

And lets not forget that the Havdalla supper, which became the church, had a guard at the door.

[Blizzardnh]

 

Sorry to ruin anyone's righteous indignation. ;)

[unknown]

WOOOHOOooo!

Yep, grab the  and enjoy it.

But there is one thing that I firmly believe in, we will be in deep deep dogpoop (I couldn't find an appropriate emoji) if Hillary gets elected.

Some people say we will be in the same deep deep dogpoop if Trump gets elected. I don't believe that can be proven. I do believe it can be proven regarding Hillary. And I mean deep deep dogpoop.

If someone doesn't want to vote for Trump because he isn't Christian, I can understand that. And, If someone doesn't want to vote for Trump because he is crass, obnoxious, has compared Dr Carson to a child molester, treated Cruz extremely poorly, referred to Fiorina's face in a most obnoxious manner, has ridiculed a handicapped reporter, or any other of Trumps ridiculous things, I understand that.

But I do believe we will be in deep deep dogpoop if Hillary gets elected.

[corbe]

Exactly, we don't know what might happen.  Therefore, we can't compare an Old Testament patriarch with a pathological liar and strip club owner.  It makes me sick to see the attempt, really.



Splitting hairs gets so tiring these days.

[musiclady]

I think this is where we are all getting cross-threaded.

I absolutely believe Trump to be immoral, and as a function of morality, I cannot vote for him - To support the immoral IS immoral. As I have often stated, I need go no further than his ownership of casinos, strip clubs, and escort services - As a moral function, I cannot, no, WILL not support the man. Period. All the rest can be slung on top of that load, if one likes, but that alone is sufficient for me to know the man's character, and to know I will never help hm rise to power.

But that is internal to me - There are many who are willing to overlook his every deficit, and many more who will yet, as fear for the future influences the outcome in the next 90 days. Folks who reluctantly lend their support are an inevitability as time rolls on - But they are not the same as those who have been all-in from the start, and approve of the man.

I think we need to remember that difference.

The difference is critical in understanding each other.

And you have explained it perfectly @roamer_1

[musiclady]

Yes harassing people is not acceptable.  I wasn't about to let him get away with it.  Political discussion fine.  Personal harassment not OK.

Some people apparently have trouble grasping that. 

[unknown]

Some people apparently have trouble grasping that.

Yes, they sure do.

[Chosen Daughter]

Yep, grab the  and enjoy it.

But there is one thing that I firmly believe in, we will be in deep deep dogpoop (I couldn't find an appropriate emoji) if Hillary gets elected.

Some people say we will be in the same deep deep dogpoop if Trump gets elected. I don't believe that can be proven. I do believe it can be proven regarding Hillary. And I mean deep deep dogpoop.

If someone doesn't want to vote for Trump because he isn't Christian, I can understand that. And, If someone doesn't want to vote for Trump because he is crass, obnoxious, has compared Dr Carson to a child molester, treated Cruz extremely poorly, referred to Fiorina's face in a most obnoxious manner, has ridiculed a handicapped reporter, or any other of Trumps ridiculous things, I understand that.

But I do believe we will be in deep deep dogpoop if Hillary gets elected.

One pile of poop or another.  Hillary is familiar poop.  Donald is unidentified poop.  I wouldn't want to step in either.

[musiclady]

@Blizzardnh
@musiclady

David repented with all of his heart before God.  Read Psalm 51, which he wrote, if you want to know how terribly he regretted his sins.

Trump, on the other hand, says he sees no need for repentance or forgiveness because he's done nothing wrong. 

Comparing the two men just doesn't work.

Correct.

And yet they keep trying, don't they?

@CatherineofAragon

[roamer_1]

Some people say we will be in the same deep deep dogpoop if Trump gets elected. I don't believe that can be proven. I do believe it can be proven regarding Hillary. And I mean deep deep dogpoop.

I think it's already been proven - was proven before he even started.

Thanks all the same, but it's Castle for me. No chance at all that I'll vote for the orange clown, Clinton or no.
It's time we got a grown up in the White House.

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

[etcb]

Yep, grab the  and enjoy it.

But there is one thing that I firmly believe in, we will be in deep deep dogpoop (I couldn't find an appropriate emoji) if Hillary gets elected.

Some people say we will be in the same deep deep dogpoop if Trump gets elected. I don't believe that can be proven. I do believe it can be proven regarding Hillary. And I mean deep deep dogpoop.

If someone doesn't want to vote for Trump because he isn't Christian, I can understand that. And, If someone doesn't want to vote for Trump because he is crass, obnoxious, has compared Dr Carson to a child molester, treated Cruz extremely poorly, referred to Fiorina's face in a most obnoxious manner, has ridiculed a handicapped reporter, or any other of Trumps ridiculous things, I understand that.

But I do believe we will be in deep deep dogpoop if Hillary gets elected.

Very good analysis.  Unfortunately, it comes down to either Trump or Clinton being sworn in as President next January.  Your main point bears repeating so I will repeat it with attribution duly given.

But I do believe we will be in deep deep dogpoop if Hillary gets elected.  -  unknown

[Chosen Daughter]

Very good analysis.  Unfortunately, it comes down to either Trump or Clinton being sworn in as President next January.  Your main point bears repeating so I will repeat it with attribution duly given.

But I do believe we will be in deep deep dogpoop if Hillary gets elected.  -  unknown

I think it was both are dog poop.  That is what I got from the analysis.  Just settling for one pile of crap over another.

[Silver Pines]

Correct.

And yet they keep trying, don't they?

@CatherineofAragon

@musiclady

At least it's not as bad here as elsewhere.  I recall being told that Trump was a better man spiritually than Moses or David.

[EasyAce]

Best Election Year EVER!!

[musiclady]

@musiclady

At least it's not as bad here as elsewhere.  I recall being told that Trump was a better man spiritually than Moses or David.

There's a lot of blasphemy going on in Trump circles elsewhere, and I am thankful every single day that there is a place like TBR where that kind of thing is not acceptable.

I keep trying to imagine anyone's saying that Ronald Reagan was Jesus.  They would have been pummeled by everyone, everywhere.

And Ronald Reagan was an admirable man.

Now we have this degenerate, cheating, lying unrepentant serial adulterer, being compared with Moses, David, and even Jesus Christ.

It's frightening to me because it reflects how far we have fallen spiritually in this nation.

[EasyAce]

At least it's not as bad here as elsewhere.  I recall being told that Trump was a better man spiritually than Moses or David.

Who told you that---
the Right. Rev. Dr. Billy Sol Hargis? ;)

[roamer_1]

It's frightening to me because it reflects how far we have fallen spiritually in this nation.

Well, only if he WINS. Up till then it's just a bunch of obnoxious people on the internet... Who'da thunk it?

[kartographer]

I think it was both are dog poop.  That is what I got from the analysis.  Just settling for one pile of crap over another.

That's one reason I don't worry so much about Hillary winning. I like to see her win and then go to jail and with her health issues she may just have to resign before she even takes the oath of office. Trump would be so bad there may never be another Republican President or we have the Trump dynasty wherein the Presidency becomes a Trump family heirloom!   

[Silver Pines]

There's a lot of blasphemy going on in Trump circles elsewhere, and I am thankful every single day that there is a place like TBR where that kind of thing is not acceptable.

I keep trying to imagine anyone's saying that Ronald Reagan was Jesus.  They would have been pummeled by everyone, everywhere.

And Ronald Reagan was an admirable man.

Now we have this degenerate, cheating, lying unrepentant serial adulterer, being compared with Moses, David, and even Jesus Christ.

It's frightening to me because it reflects how far we have fallen spiritually in this nation.

Without a doubt.

Cruz was my candidate, but if people had behaved this way toward him, I would have re-evaluated my support. 

[Silver Pines]

Who told you that---
the Right. Rev. Dr. Billy Sol Hargis? ;)

Larry Schweikart. 

[musiclady]

Without a doubt.

Cruz was my candidate, but if people had behaved this way toward him, I would have re-evaluated my support.

So would I.   I have an extreme aversion to blasphemy, and if the people who like who I like started saying he was Jesus, I would doubt the company I was keeping....... no matter how much I admired the person.

I've only seen one poster here who literally crossed the line of blasphemy, but most stay away from that kind of dangerously extreme worship.

And that's a good thing, considering the man is a reprobate.......

[musiclady]

Larry Schweikart.

Who used to be both intelligent and sane.

What has Trump done to his brain??  Turned it into Swiss cheese??