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The Anti-Trump Right's Sad Quest for Respectability
« on: August 12, 2016, 03:20:26 pm »
The Anti-Trump Right's Sad Quest for Respectability

By Jack Cashill  August 8, 2016

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I have been praying for the wisdom to understand the lace curtain, anti-Trump right – the Weekly Standard, National Review, Commentary, even The American Spectator.  But it was not until I saw the Cato mailer that my overriding sentiment crystallized.  These people are pathetic, deluded, fearful.  They are frightened someone will think them vulgar or nutty or, God forbid, racist.  They are the "bleep" Clint Eastwood warned us about.

Instead of advancing our embattled causes this past year, they devoted much of their time to writing gleeful Trump-bashing editorials.  The common core of these editorials might be distilled as "How could you all be so stupid?"  The "stupid" include not only those who supported Trump in the primary, but also those of us, like myself, who supported Trump after our candidates fell by the wayside.

Willfully oblivious of recent history, the lace-curtain crowd fail to see that if their chosen candidate had been nominated – say, Jeb Bush or Scott Walker or Marco Rubio – the media would have customized an attack strategy to take down that candidate just as savagely.  Even if Carly Fiorina or Ben Carson were the nominee, the media would have somehow managed to portray either of them as "unbelievably racist, misogynistic and homophobic."

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Re: The Anti-Trump Right's Sad Quest for Respectability
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2016, 03:22:51 pm »
Trump wrote checks to Hillary, Kamala Harris and Jerry Brown.

It's understandable that people don't trust him.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2016, 03:28:03 pm »
What a mess of an article. At least PJ O'Rourke is funny.

Cashill's headline doesn't match the content, which is nothing but an attack on O'Rourke.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2016, 03:29:27 pm »
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Willfully oblivious of recent history, the lace-curtain crowd fail to see that if their chosen candidate had been nominated – say, Jeb Bush or Scott Walker or Marco Rubio – the media would have customized an attack strategy to take down that candidate just as savagely.  Even if Carly Fiorina or Ben Carson were the nominee, the media would have somehow managed to portray either of them as "unbelievably racist, misogynistic and homophobic."

The difference is those candidates would not have been feeding the media ample evidence of their racism and misogyny on a daily basis as Trump does.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2016, 03:34:09 pm »
They don't need the feed the media. The recent kerfluffle involving the Second Amendment is proof the media can re-interpret anything you say.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2016, 03:34:16 pm »
Historically, GOP candidates have 89-96% support from the party in GE.

Trump is stuck at 80%  How respectable is that?
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2016, 03:36:49 pm »
They don't need the feed the media. The recent kerfluffle involving the Second Amendment is proof the media can re-interpret anything you say.

They didn't need to reinterpret anything.  EVERYBODY knew what Trump was saying, which is why he had to rush out and try to qualify. 

We're not stupid.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2016, 03:37:56 pm »
Historically, GOP candidates have 89-96% support from the party in GE.

Trump is stuck at 80%  How respectable is that?

Speaking of stuck:

New NBC/WSJ/Marist polls

CO: HRC 46, Trump 32 (+14)
FL: HRC 44, Trump 39 (+5)
NC: HRC 48, Trump 39 (+9)
VA: HRC 46, Trump 33 (+13)
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Re: The Anti-Trump Right's Sad Quest for Respectability
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2016, 03:40:02 pm »
We frankly do not care to be seen as 'respectable' by a people who desire a vulgar, punitive liar, Democrat-Supporting, NY Liberal Nationalist Populist for king to 'save us'.

We only care that our moral conscience is respected by Our Creator in the choices we make in this life.

We can care less what the culture of men thinks, especially when they fit the biblical statement that those who follow God, are seen as foolish by men.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2016, 03:41:24 pm »
We frankly do not care to be seen as 'respectable' by a people who desire a vulgar, punitive liar, Democrat-Supporting, NY Liberal Nationalist Populist for king to 'save us'.

We only care that our moral conscience is respected by Our Creator in the choices we make in this life.

We can care less what the culture of men thinks, especially when they fit the biblical statement that those who follow God, are seen as foolish by men.

Absolutely..  I think we should hold Trump supporters accountable and responsible for putting us in this mess.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2016, 03:42:35 pm »
Trump wrote checks to Hillary, Kamala Harris and Jerry Brown.


In addition to the dirtbag in the Virginia governor's office, Terry McAuliffe.

And I find the reference to "sad quest for respectability" laughable, when Trump backers squeal like stuck pigs that if we don't jump onto their Trump trainwreck, we're somehow anti-American, GOP-e, pro-Hillary hacks.  Nothing is more pro-Hillary than obliterating any chance of turning back the progressive tide in this country by handing the nomination to an unstable, unelectable narcissist who belongs more in a nuthouse than the White House.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2016, 03:51:06 pm »
Alot of bitterness in this article, most of which misses the mark completely.

Personally I am waiting to be sold on Trump - the price of my vote has been continually discounted since the primaries ended. But not only has he scarcely lifted a finger to earn it, outside of a few vague policy comments (in one-time speeches prepared by advisors, I suspect) it seems like he's actively trying to discourage it.

In fact it is I'm not at all sure he really has any interest in winning in November. I just this minute heard his campaign HQ in New Jersey have been shuttered. WTF?

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Re: The Anti-Trump Right's Sad Quest for Respectability
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2016, 04:00:08 pm »
This is largely true; anti-Trumpers seem to largely be the establishment.

Open borders and so on, the grassroots did not want that.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2016, 04:20:00 pm »
It appears to me that the Pro-Trump Right does not seem to hear a single thing that Donald Trump actually says, or care at all about the manner in which he expresses himself.

No matter what he says, or how he says it, all they seem to hear is: "I'm Gonna Make America Great Again!", when in truth, what he is usually communicating is: "I am a loud, tasteless, poorly-educated, inarticulate, obnoxious bully who will gleefully lie to your face and then insult you for sport."

To the Trumpanistas, it is not they who have abandoned conservative principles, but rather it is the entire intellectual Conservative movement that is "pathetic, deluded, fearful", because they refuse to drink the Cruel-Aid. 
"The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over. -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2016, 04:22:18 pm »
It appears to me that the Pro-Trump Right does not seem to hear a single thing that Donald Trump actually says, or care at all about the manner in which he expresses himself.

No matter what he says, or how he says it, all they seem to hear is: "I'm Gonna Make America Great Again!", when in truth, what he is usually communicating is: "I am a loud, tasteless, poorly-educated, inarticulate, obnoxious bully who will gleefully lie to your face and then insult you for sport."

To the Trumpanistas, it is not they who have abandoned conservative principles, but rather it is the entire intellectual Conservative movement that is "pathetic, deluded, fearful", because they refuse to drink the Cruel-Aid.

Awhile back, my kid asked me how Jonestown could have ever happened.......     
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2016, 04:34:34 pm »
Awhile back, my kid asked me how Jonestown could have ever happened.......   

A question that shows your kid is thinking.  You are to be congratulated.

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2016, 04:39:15 pm »
No matter what he says, or how he says it, all they seem to hear is: "I'm Gonna Make America Great Again!", when in truth, what he is usually communicating is: "I am a loud, tasteless, poorly-educated, inarticulate, obnoxious bully who will gleefully lie to your face and then insult you for sport."


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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2016, 04:42:52 pm »
The Trumpeters grow more absurd by the day.  We told you we would not defend his idiocy.  We told you he would be a mess of a candidate, at the worst possible time.  And sure enough, here he is, polishing the Sovereign's Orb for Evita Rodham Gulch. 

You wanted a pet - now you clean up after him.

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2016, 04:52:35 pm »


You wanted a pet - now you clean up after him.

 :amen:

Trump's mouth obviously isn't housebroken.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2016, 05:27:39 pm »
If PJ is actually supporting Clinton than he is just as bad as tRump supporters.

I'm not supporting tRump because I think he is vulgar and crazy, not because I care if people think I'm vulgar and crazy.  I'm not running for president.

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2016, 05:30:01 pm »
This is largely true; anti-Trumpers seem to largely be the establishment.

Open borders and so on, the grassroots did not want that.

Right.  Open borders.  Trump can't his messaging straight on any issue, borders included. 

Where's all that "grassroots support," anyway?

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I have been praying for the wisdom to understand the lace curtain, anti-Trump right – the Weekly Standard, National Review, Commentary, even The American Spectator.  But it was not until I saw the Cato mailer that my overriding sentiment crystallized.  These people are pathetic, deluded, fearful.  They are frightened someone will think them vulgar or nutty or, God forbid, racist.  They are the "bleep" Clint Eastwood warned us about.

Instead of advancing our embattled causes this past year, they devoted much of their time to writing gleeful Trump-bashing editorials.  The common core of these editorials might be distilled as "How could you all be so stupid?"  The "stupid" include not only those who supported Trump in the primary, but also those of us, like myself, who supported Trump after our candidates fell by the wayside.

Willfully oblivious of recent history, the lace-curtain crowd fail to see that if their chosen candidate had been nominated – say, Jeb Bush or Scott Walker or Marco Rubio – the media would have customized an attack strategy to take down that candidate just as savagely.  Even if Carly Fiorina or Ben Carson were the nominee, the media would have somehow managed to portray either of them as "unbelievably racist, misogynistic and homophobic."

The leftist slant of much of the media sucks.   (But don't forget that the right wing crap is readily available too.)   

But here, lo and behold,  we really do have a candidate who's "unbelievably racist, misogynistic and homophobic",  or similar such breed of crazy.   Problem with Trump is Trump.   Hillary's far worse on policy, but Trump's worse - dangerously worse - on what matters most - the safe stewardship of the nation.   

Trump can't be trusted with the keys.   Some of us are going to step up and take those keys away.    We're not going to shirk our "lace curtain" responsibility to turn away the nutjob that idiots like the author insist we support.   
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2016, 05:44:17 pm »
Apparently Trumpsters need to believe this narrative in order to justify their abject lack of judgment concerning Donald Trump. I'm sure there's not an anti-Trumper here who hasn't been slandered with accusations -- accusations that couldn't be further removed from the core principles that have led us to shun the BS con artist.

TomSea obviously believes that he and the Trumpsters are the only ones who occupy the high moral ground of wanting secure borders + the tearing down of the GOPe stronghold in the Republican party.

Except Trump is IN BED with the Establishment GOP-E who have thrown in with him as the best bet to save their fascist gravy trains rather than risk them under an actual Conservative like Cruz. 

It doesn't matter that the wall and immigration are policies in which Trump has already backpedaled and will likely never pursue at all. The Trump Faithful are there to explain the unexplainable to the plebes because we are not 'sophisticated enough' to understand the brilliance of the Trump stratagem.  This is what Rush has devolved himself into.   Putting them square in the same job as the Josh Earnests of the world.

Pathetic.

Trump is there to destroy Conservatism from within the GOP in total.  Whether he is crowned or not is irrelevant.  Trump has done what Establishment Oligarchy of both parties desperately desired: wiping out and rendering politically irrelevant (perhaps for all time), Conservatism as a viable opposition to Big Government Statism/Communism/Socialism which both major parties now represent.

The Apologists for that are those who are accusing us of that which they, themselves are, and have become.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2016, 05:45:08 pm »
Yet another attack on conservatives.

That should garner some votes, not likely for Trump though.

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2016, 06:10:42 pm »
This is largely true; anti-Trumpers seem to largely be the establishment.

Open borders and so on, the grassroots did not want that.
The Establishment is fully in support of Trump.  The Establishment  squashed any dissent at the convention, but I will make my voice heard in November with silence.  I am not questing for the respect of Trump and the Establishment.  Who do you think you are fooling, besides yourself?