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Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« on: August 04, 2016, 07:58:13 pm »
 By Alexander Bolton - 08/04/16 11:53 AM EDT

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump needs a surge of white working-class voters to beat Hillary Clinton in November.

Clinton has significant leads over Trump among minority voters and women, and is handily defeating him with white college-educated women.

That puts pressure on Trump to win white men like no other candidate in recent history.

Trump believes his anti-trade, anti-immigration message will be popular with white, working-class voters in Pennsylvania and Ohio, and that it could help him compete in other Rust Belt states such as Michigan and Wisconsin.

His electoral strategy revolves around winning Pennsylvania, something the Republican nominee hasn’t done since 1988. Michigan and Wisconsin have also been reliably Democratic states for decades.

Trump would seem to face tough prospects.

A new Franklin & Marshall poll of Pennsylvania voters released Thursday found him facing an 11-point deficit to Clinton, 49 percent to 38 percent.

The survey shows Trump beating the Democratic nominee in Pennsylvania 53 percent to 31 percent among whites without college degrees, but only 45 percent to 35 percent among white men.

Clinton leads Trump in the poll among college-educated whites, 58 percent to 28 percent. She also leads among white women, 57 percent to 29 percent.

GOP strategists say Trump needs to close that gap by driving white men to the polls in numbers that haven’t been seen in recent election cycles.

“He will need somewhere in the 67 percent to 68 percent range of the white vote,” Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, said of Trump.

Ford O’Connell, a GOP strategist who worked on Arizona Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign, thinks Trump has to win 63 percent of the white vote, a higher share than 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney won.

“He needs to perform 4 percent better among white voters than Romney did,” said O’Connell, who predicts white voters will make up around 70 percent of November’s electorate.

Romney won 59 percent of white voters four years ago, but overall turnout for the demographic was depressed compared to prior elections.

White voters made up 73.7 percent of the electorate in 2012, down from 79 percent in 2004, according to the Census Bureau.

Non-Hispanic whites cast 98 million votes in 2012 — 2 million fewer than were cast in 2008.

The non-white vote four years ago totaled 32.9 million, well above the average of 28.8 million for the 2012, 2008 and 2004 presidential years, according to the Census Bureau.

The white vote slumped in 2012, while turnout among black and Hispanic voters hit records as President Obama sought reelection. According to the Census Bureau, 17.8 million blacks voted that year, along with 11.2 million Hispanics and 3.9 million Asians.

No presidential candidate has won more than 66 percent of the white vote since Ronald Reagan’s landslide election in 1984, when he lost only the state of Minnesota and the District of Columbia.

McCain won 55 percent of the white vote in 2008, while then-President George W. Bush won 58 percent in 2004.

Demographic changes also mean the percentage of white voters in the electorate is unlikely to be as high this year as in the Reagan era, or possibly even four years ago.

Ayres predicts the electorate will consist of 69 percent white voters and 31 percent non-white voters.

Trump’s anti-immigration, anti-trade rhetoric has proved popular with blue-collar voters, and Ayres says Trump could “very easily” win 69 percent of non-college educated white men.

But reaching that threshold overall could be difficult because of his deficit with women.

A Washington Post survey from late June showed Clinton leading Trump among college-educated white women, 57 percent to 35 percent.

The Clinton campaign for months has been seeking to buttress that advantage with advertisement highlighting Trump’s comments referring to some women as pigs.

One ad shows children watching a stream of Trump’s controversial comments on television, including remarks directed toward Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly after the heated first GOP debate, when he said that she had blood coming from her eyes and “her wherever.”

It’s possible that white voters and white men will make up a larger proportion of the electorate in 2016, which would bolster Trump’s chances.

An average of the past three CNN/ORC polls shows Trump with 52.66 percent of the white vote and Clinton with 71 percent of the non-white vote.

When those percentages are applied to the voter turnout numbers compiled by the Census Bureau for the 2012 presidential election, Clinton is estimated to win the popular vote by about 2.5 million votes.

Trump does have close to a 2-1 advantage over Clinton among non-college educated white voters in the CNN/ORC polls, but would need an extra 8 million people in that demographic to vote on Election Day to make up the gap.

The other thing that would help Trump, in terms of demographics, would be if turnout among African-Americans, Hispanics and Asians reverted to the average of the past three presidential elections.

If that happened, Trump might need a smaller surge of 3 million white men to show up at the polls.

That’s not out of the question, considering that the white vote decreased by 2 million voters between 2008 and 2012 — a drop analysts attributed to Romney’s lack of appeal with the working class.

Republicans say the drop-off in white working class voters was the worst in deep red states that Romney won easily, but it also affected the tally in Ohio, a pivotal battleground.

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2016, 08:01:16 pm »
As a white male, and I admit it, Trump has no chance to get my vote or respect

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2016, 08:19:46 pm »
The new Trump Train.  Old White Men

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2016, 08:31:41 pm »
Surge of old grumpy white men whose wives and children probably don't even speak to them anymore. But there's just not enough of them to make a difference in any case.

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2016, 11:08:42 pm »
Most analyses show a Trump needs about 65% of the white working class vote.

With him polling in the very low 50s in that demographic, he's going to fall wayyyy short.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2016, 11:10:56 pm by ScottinVA »

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 02:39:09 am »
Wingnut wrote:
"The new Trump Train.  Old White Men"

Remember "the Bradley effect" in California some years ago?

When Tom Bradley -- a black who the polls predicted would win -- lost to a white guy?

It was believed that a lot of folks flat-out lied to the pollsters.

I sense that something along that line is going on this year, as well. But it's a little different this time.

This year, it's less a question of "lying to the pollsters" than it is simply avoiding them in the first place. "Avoidance" consisting not only of an unwillingness to speak to the poll-takers, but through modern technology, as well.

I'm an old white guy. Probably not all that far removed from Wingnut's pic in reply 2 above.

Since I got caller ID, I -never- answer the phone unless the call is coming from someone I know and want to talk to. All other calls "go to the machine".
That includes you.
But lately, I've gone further. Since I switched over to the VOIP (phone via my internet connection), I was able to sign up with "nomorobo", which blocks out robocalls based on a large database that they've assembled. I'm guessing that "political" calls -- at least some of them -- can still get through, but not sure about polling organizations.

That's of little importance to me, personally.
I'm not going to answer a polling call.
If a pollster walks up to me on the street, I'd tell him to get lost.
I'm not going to talk to them.

I've got some other "old white guy" friends, and I sense that their sentiments parallel mine.
I'm sure that there are A LOT of the old white guys out there that feel the same.
Perhaps millions.

Even though they're reluctant to share their opinions publicly, I think they may surprise us with their numbers on Election Day.

We shall see.

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 02:41:57 am »
Old People Waiting for the Trump Train




But it's not there, it's way up in Maine

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2016, 03:06:11 am »
There are three groups of grumpy white men who won't vote for Clinton.   Trump supporters,  Trump voters, and NeverTrumps.

Trump supporters are the camp followers, including the alt-right gang.    Trump voters are what Bret Stephens calls the go-along Republicans -  they don't like Trump, but Hillary is worse.  The NeverTrumps, well, they won't vote for Trump,  and some think he's worse than Hillary.

The question is how many go-along Republicans will there be?   How many of us will be swayed by solidarity, and how many by conscience?

 

 
« Last Edit: August 05, 2016, 03:07:14 am by Jazzhead »
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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2016, 03:43:22 am »
His whole campaign is a dragnet for those lacking sufficient faith and zeal in the great workers struggle.

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2016, 03:54:48 am »
I will not be voting for Trump, but against the Hildebeest. 

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2016, 04:04:04 am »
The math suggests Trump would need a whopping 70 percent of white male voters to cast their ballots for him. That’s a larger percentage than Republicans have ever won before — more than the GOP won in the landslide victories of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush


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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2016, 04:25:50 am »
Old People Waiting for the Trump Train





Odd place to wait for it:  Brighton, England.  Are you sure those aren't rejoicing Brexiteers? 
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2016, 05:35:09 am »
I can't believe I'm the first poster to notice that this is *NOT* a winning strategy.

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Re: Trump’s path to victory depends on surge of white men
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2016, 05:39:40 am »
The new Trump Train.  Old White Men


Look at that ingenuity and multitasking. They really are the Greatest Generation.