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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #100 on: August 01, 2016, 07:52:00 pm »
Gotta love Trump's attitude:

Byron York ‏@ByronYork  38s38 seconds ago
Trump in Columbus: 'I could have a very nice life. I don't have to be with you people, ranting and raving.'

Wow, is this true?
Sad thing is, would 't surprise me.

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #101 on: August 01, 2016, 07:55:03 pm »
I'm curious, @r9etb, @truth_seeker, what is it that you found compelling about Perry?  What was it that you supported?

To be honest, I haven't found Perry particularly compelling, either.  However, his executive experience and record as governor of Texas made him a far more palatable candidate than, say, Cruz, who has very little executive experience and next to no record of tangible accomplishments (fancy speeches don't count).


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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #102 on: August 01, 2016, 07:59:43 pm »
Very noble sentiments.  But if the today's society has adopted different standards, what are you going to do about it?  How are you going to persuade others to go along with you?
Stand by the truthand and tell others the truth. What other course is there? When I stand on judgement day I don't think I'm going to be asked if my standards matched societies. 
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #103 on: August 01, 2016, 08:33:47 pm »
And on the 45th post we learn more little things that lead us to believe that you were never Conservative and probably a RINO. 

Your trashing of Conservatives in this thread proves it.

Why is it @txradioguy that so many conservatives feel they are above any kind of trashing at all .... especially when so deserved???  Why is that?


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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #104 on: August 01, 2016, 08:38:33 pm »
Why is it @txradioguy that so many conservatives feel they are above any kind of trashing at all .... especially when so deserved???  Why is that?

Conservatives deserve a thrashing?  The base of the Republican Party deserves to be trashed by thr GOP?

Why pray tell do you think the very people that were the catalyst for the two largest election victories in US politics deserves poor mouthing from someone who cheerleads for a New York Liberal pretending to be a Republican?
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #105 on: August 01, 2016, 08:49:30 pm »
Conservatives deserve a thrashing?  The base of the Republican Party deserves to be trashed by thr GOP?

Why pray tell do you think the very people that were the catalyst for the two largest election victories in US politics deserves poor mouthing from someone who cheerleads for a New York Liberal pretending to be a Republican?

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #106 on: August 01, 2016, 09:02:36 pm »
Das ist eine gute Frage!!!


Ja, so ist es!
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #107 on: August 01, 2016, 09:39:14 pm »
How is it ever possible to beat a party that promises free healthcare, free food, free housing, free cell phone?  Oh and by the way...bring your family right on over to the U.S.  It is not possible and it's likely there will never be another conservative elected as president.  They vote their pocketbooks plain and simple.

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Well,one sure fire way to NOT defeat them is to join them in importing more 3rd world welfare voters.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #108 on: August 01, 2016, 09:43:22 pm »
To be honest, I haven't found Perry particularly compelling, either.  However, his executive experience and record as governor of Texas made him a far more palatable candidate than, say, Cruz, who has very little executive experience and next to no record of tangible accomplishments (fancy speeches don't count).

Perhaps you haven't heard about his nine cases argued before the Supreme Court.  Claiming that there's "next to no record" only works if you intentionally ignore the existing record.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #109 on: August 01, 2016, 09:49:33 pm »
Actually, the reason we haven't been able to elect another Reagan is that the GOP hierarchy is absolutely determined to never let anyone like Reagan ever again become their nominee.


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Absolutely true. Since the alleged Republican establishment is owned by the same bankers that own the DNC and the media,the VERY few actual conservative congresscritters can't even RENT a seat on Face the Nation,This Week with establishment DC Insiders,etc,etc,etc.

If nobody but the locals from your congressional district even get to hear your name mentioned,you will never get your foot in the door of a major network news room.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #110 on: August 01, 2016, 09:53:18 pm »
What SHOULD be learned is in this erstwhile winnable election, GOP voters should have nominated a viable candidate to have a chance at winning in November.

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #111 on: August 01, 2016, 09:56:35 pm »
I'm curious, @r9etb, @truth_seeker, what is it that you found compelling about Perry?  What was it that you supported?

Easy. Republican governor, with good record. Same for Perry.

(Same for Reagan, Bush II as well)
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #112 on: August 01, 2016, 09:56:53 pm »
What SHOULD be learned is in this erstwhile winnable election, GOP voters should have nominated a viable candidate to have a chance at winning in November.

And, just maybe, one who represents our values, whatever they may be.

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #113 on: August 01, 2016, 09:59:01 pm »
Even if Cruz said all the right things, it is not enough simply to say them. 

You're assuming that Cruz was a "good candidate" in the first place; however, events would indicate otherwise.  Cruz's problem was that, when attacked, he seemed smaller when he needed to seem bigger: not the sort of man you want as the leader of the free world. 

On that count, a comparison of Cruz to Reagan is not flattering.  Reagan, too, was attacked despicably by the media and the GOP establishment.  However, he had the both the background and personal qualities that allowed him to absorb the attacks -- he handled the attacks in a way that made the other guys seem small.

That's not correct.  Reagan became the GOP presidential nominee over the strident objections of the GOP establishment of the day (the so-called Rockefeller wing of the party).  He did so by building both an intellectual platform and a political machine that was able to beard the establishment lion in its den.  Reagan's candidacy was the culmination of years of patient effort by Reagan and by a host of others.  Contrast to Cruz (or Obama), who announced his candidacy for president after only a couple of years in the Senate.

You've used a bunch of terms that have no clear meaning; most particularly, "the principles we consider inviolate."  I submit that the GOP no longer recognizes any such principles; nor, apparently, do "conservatives."

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The ONLY reason Reagan was ALLOWED any tv face time is because the eastern elites took his folksy ways as proof he was an ignorant rube,and they thought allowing him air time would further harm the credibility of the GOP amongst the unaffiliated voters. They really and truly thought Reagan was a dummy,and were certain THEY were so revered by the typical retarded
murikan voters that they would jump in on the media/leftist side and make fun of Reagan for being a simpleton,and by extension,making conservatives look like simpletons. After all,look at the job they had done on Barry Goldwater just a few years earlier.

Their arrogance backfired on them. Reagan,the dummy,and the conservative voters were a match made in heaven,and came damn close to destroying the power of the left. They only survived to this day by switching parties so they could weaken and corrupt the conservative message,

Plus saddling Reagan with that evil bastard Poppy Bush didn't help,either.

Face it,the very same voters that put Reagan in office and voted in Republicans to take over control of the US Congress for the first time in 40 years haven't really had a reason to vote again since Reagan left office and the Dims took over he RNC.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #114 on: August 01, 2016, 10:00:41 pm »
Perhaps you haven't heard about his nine cases argued before the Supreme Court.  Claiming that there's "next to no record" only works if you intentionally ignore the existing record.

While that's all very nice, it's nevertheless not very much, either, as it pertains to his qualifications for the presidency. 

Especially when you compare that to the records of undeniably effective governors like Perry, Walker, and Kasich, whose experience and background are much closer to the job in question.

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #115 on: August 01, 2016, 10:02:25 pm »
And, just maybe, one who represents our values, whatever they may be.

One would think that the first job of a political party is to find, recruit, and promote such people. 

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #116 on: August 01, 2016, 10:02:43 pm »
@r9etb  @Doug Loss

The ONLY reason Reagan was ALLOWED any tv face time is because the eastern elites took his folksy ways as proof he was an ignorant rube,and they thought allowing him air time would further harm the credibility of the GOP amongst the unaffiliated voters. They really and truly thought Reagan was a dummy,and were certain THEY were so revered by the typical retarded
murikan voters that they would jump in on the media/leftist side and make fun of Reagan for being a simpleton,and by extension,making conservatives look like simpletons. After all,look at the job they had done on Barry Goldwater just a few years earlier.

Their arrogance backfired on them. Reagan,the dummy,and the conservative voters were a match made in heaven,and came damn close to destroying the power of the left. They only survived to this day by switching parties so they could weaken and corrupt the conservative message,

Plus saddling Reagan with that evil bastard Poppy Bush didn't help,either.

Face it,the very same voters that put Reagan in office and voted in Republicans to take over control of the US Congress for the first time in 40 years haven't really had a reason to vote again since Reagan left office and the Dims took over he RNC.

Exactly.  It's a matter of, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!"  They misread Reagan, and were burned by him and his principles (as opposed to their lack thereof).  They're absolutely determined not to let anyone similar to Reagan ever reach that position again.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #117 on: August 01, 2016, 10:03:37 pm »
truth_seeker has always bashed social conservatives.  He denies hating us, but he certainly doesn't like us much.

I think he's happy to see conservatism take it on the chin by this "populist" moron he now supports.

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So does everyone else that has two IQ points to rub together that's not in denial.

 Socialist/Religious Cult voters are nothing but Dim voters in denial.  If Bubbette! were to proclaim her love of Jesus and say she had a conversion moment,you would all be falling all over yourselves to praise her and encourage her to support Israel.

I am to the point where I put you people in the same category as the leftists that support foreigners in the form of illegal aliens. Neither put America first.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #118 on: August 01, 2016, 10:03:49 pm »
While that's all very nice, it's nevertheless not very much, either, as it pertains to his qualifications for the presidency

Especially when you compare that to the records of undeniably effective governors like Perry, Walker, and Kasich, whose experience and background are much closer to the job in question.

You mean other than the smart, principled, effective and has read the Constitution and understands how the various branches of the US government are supposed to work part?

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #119 on: August 01, 2016, 10:04:03 pm »
While that's all very nice, it's nevertheless not very much, either, as it pertains to his qualifications for the presidency. 

Especially when you compare that to the records of undeniably effective governors like Perry, Walker, and Kasich, whose experience and background are much closer to the job in question.

Sure, no experience Cruz had will ever meet your standards, that's clear.  No point in posting more; they'll just be denigrated.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #120 on: August 01, 2016, 10:04:39 pm »
One would think that the first job of a political party is to find, recruit, and promote such people.

You'd think...

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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #121 on: August 01, 2016, 10:05:51 pm »
One would think that the first job of a political party is to find, recruit, and promote such people.

Yes, and the GOP does exactly that.  However, "that" (candidates that represent their values) clearly does not mean conservatives.
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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #122 on: August 01, 2016, 10:09:39 pm »
While that's all very nice, it's nevertheless not very much, either, as it pertains to his qualifications for the presidency. 

Especially when you compare that to the records of undeniably effective governors like Perry, Walker, and Kasich, whose experience and background are much closer to the job in question.

Perry pushed a border wall, also.
Less than one months after his last reelection, he says "ain't gonna happen".
Turns out,  2 of his major donors, Perry Homes (no relation), and H-E-B grocery weren't too keen on stopping illegal immigration. Wonder why?
Hmmmm...
Texas folks here Know who Perry homes and H-E-B are.
FYI. I did vote for Rick Perry as Governor each time he ran.
Lesser of 2 evils, etc.
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« Reply #123 on: August 01, 2016, 10:10:34 pm »
There is so much "sky is falling/party is destroyed" whining that it gets very old after awhile.

The truth is pretty simple.  This was a one-off election caused primarily by the party ignoring voters on the issue of immigration.  Trump jumped louder and harder on that issue than anyone else, and because of his vulgarity, convinced a lot of voters that he didn't care if he pissed off the elites who disagreed on immigration.  That made him credible on that issue to them.

It's unfortunate, and I personally wish it hadn't come out this way.  But that's what happened, and the Bushes, and Romneys, and the rest of the elites at war with the people who voted for Trump should look in the mirror.  They made/caused him.

In my opinion, the most mature response is to ride this election out, and vote for Trump or not as your own conscience dictates.  But the knuckleheads in the party elite who think that publicly opposing Trump is the way to fix the party are being petulant jerks.  The net result of that will be to permanently alienate a huge, necessary swathe of voters who will sit out in 2020 no matter who is nominated.  It will be handing permanent majorities to the Democrats for the foreseeable future.

Conservatives and elites both got their butts kicked this election cycle by the populists.  We can either run away, or regroup and come back next time.  Those kind of intra-party fights are based on impermanent, temporary majorities/pluralities heavily dependent upon candidate charisma, and issues peculiar to each election cycle.  Just because you won or lost this one doesn't mean the same will happen next time.

But it looks to me that many of us are choosing to cut and run rather than fight and regroup, which I think does not bode well for conservatism moving forward.

Immigration may be the winning issue for the GOP primary voter, but it is a losing issue in the general election.  Until the GOP primary voter understands that, the GOP will continue to nominate Presidential candidates that will lose.


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Re: So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?
« Reply #124 on: August 01, 2016, 10:11:05 pm »
So Conservatives, What Have We Learned From This Trump Thing?

1. There are a lot fewer Conservatives out there than I thought.


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The real problem is the real conservatives are pushed to the back of the room by the religious communists that think worshipping their form of God makes them conservatives,when the exact opposite is true. IF they had the power,they would make the whole world a Christian form of Islam,with people punished for "sinning against our lord!"

The west went thought this crap during the Reformation to remove the governing power of the Catholic Church over the lives on the citizens,and fought from 1517 to around 1685 to win freedom from religious repression in the west.

Do we really need to go through this crap again,but with the Protestants this time?
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