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An Open Letter to Mr. Khizr Khan
« on: July 31, 2016, 05:15:11 am »
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An Open Letter to Mr. Khizr Khan

By Ray Starmann

I, like millions of Americans saw your speech at the DNC on Thursday night.

I wish to offer my sympathy for the death of your son, Captain Humayun Khan, who was killed in action in Iraq.

As a former US Army officer, and a veteran of the Gulf War, I can certainly understand the pain and anguish that you and your wife endure every day.

Your son died saving the lives of his fellow soldiers. As John the Baptist wrote, Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Captain Khan is a hero. I am sure the soldiers he served with regard him as one. I know you and your wife do. Rest assured that millions of veterans regard your son as a hero as well.

To paraphrase from the Book of Ecclesiasticus, your son’s name liveth for evermore.

Your son made the ultimate sacrifice for his country, a country that was new to you and your family and one which you openly embraced and certainly love.

When you and your family arrived to America from Pakistan, you assimilated into our country. You adopted American ways, learned our history and apparently you even acquired a pocket Constitution along the way. Good for you sir.

But, there are many Muslims in America who not only have no desire to assimilate, but wish to live under Sharia Law.

That is unacceptable to Americans. There is only one law of the land. That is the US Constitution.

As you well know, Mr. Khan, we live in violent times, dangerous times. Muslim madmen from ISIS and other radical Jihadi groups are on a murder and terror spree across the globe.

Your religion of peace, Islam, is anything but that in 2016. That is a fact that is confirmed every time a Muslim shoots, bombs, beheads and tortures innocent men, women and children. This does not mean that every Muslim is a terrorist, but most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims.

A Muslim terrorist attack has become the sign of the times.

Regardless of what the feckless, naïve, leftist ideologue Barack Obama and his dimwitted colleagues John Kerry, Jacques Hollande and Angela Merkel state, the United States and the West are at war with Radical Islam. It is the job of the President of the United States to protect his nation from all enemies; foreign and domestic. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama romanticizes Islam and refuses to accept reality, which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people across the world.

Groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda have one goal, the complete destruction of the Judeo-Christian culture, our religions and our way of life.

Many Americans have families that have been here for decades, even centuries. Many families like mine have relatives who fought in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and Desert Storm. Some families have relatives who fought in the American Revolution.

We don’t plan on letting our country be devoured by Muslim maniacs. We are Americans sir, and not unarmed, socialist European zombies. We will do what is necessary to protect the United States. While many Democrats and liberals see the world through rose colored glasses, conservatives understand that there is good and evil in this world. Evil must be destroyed before it destroys us.

Strong measures, wartime measures, must be taken to protect this country from those that wish to annihilate us and our way of life.

Mr. Trump’s plan to temporarily halt immigration from Muslim countries that are known to either support terrorism or harbor terrorist groups is not only pragmatic, but indeed it is constitutional. It is the constitutional duty of the President of the United States to protect this nation.

There is simply no way to vet hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees from war zones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Europe is being destroyed because reckless leaders like Angela Merkel have opened the continent’s doors to a flood of over one million undocumented Muslims arriving with nothing more than a bad attitude and a haversack of Jihad.

Do you think Americans are stupid? While the left lives in a dream world, the right does not. Mr. Trump understands the threat to his nation and the threat, sir, is not from Swedish Lutherans named Anna and Lars. The threat, sir, is from Radical Islam.

How in God’s name are US immigration authorities supposed to know the true intentions of a 22 year old Syrian man? It is impossible. You know it is impossible.

How in God’s name are US immigration authorities supposed to know the true intentions of hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees and thousands of other sundry Muslims who wish to arrive on our shores?

It is impossible. You know it is impossible.

Whether you, your wife, the Muslim world and millions of Democrats are offended by Mr. Trump’s realistic view of the world is irrelevant.

Whether you, your wife and son would have been prohibited from emigrating from Pakistan to America under Mr. Trump’s wartime plan is irrelevant. The security of this great land supersedes your desires and the desires of others who wish to come here now. The United States of America has no obligation to open its doors in order to placate foreigners and liberals in our government.

To adopt any other course but Mr. Trump’s would be a cause for further endangering the lives of Americans every day. That, sir, is unacceptable.

You attacked Mr. Trump in front of a worldwide audience, yet you can’t understand the fact that he defends himself against attacks from you, Hillary Clinton and the left. What else is one to do sir?

We must live in a world of reality, not a world of denial, delusion and fantasy the Democrats inhabit every waking day of their lives.

Radical Islam is the enemy of everyone on this planet who believes in freedom and justice. Until it is destroyed, this nation must protect itself from enemies both foreign and domestic.

http://usdefensewatch.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-mr-khizr-khan/




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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2016, 09:43:14 am »
Whether Trump is offended by this mans words is irrelevant. The fact is, Trump is an idiot. The best course of action would have been to say nothing at all.

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Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Khizr Khan
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2016, 10:57:25 am »
Mr. Trump’s plan to temporarily halt immigration from Muslim countries that are known to either support terrorism or harbor terrorist groups is not only pragmatic, but indeed it is constitutional. It is the constitutional duty of the President of the United States to protect this nation.

How many different versions of Trump's plan are we going to get?  The long and short of it is if Trump had his way this man and his family would never have been allowed into the United States.  And if it were up to Newt Gingrich they would be deported immediately.  Would Newt also insist that they dig up their son in Arlington and take him with them?

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2016, 11:03:05 am »
Mr Khan is not on  the ballot.

Mr Khan is no issue at all.

The only reason he is being talked about is because Trump was Trump and attacked the mans wife for no good reason.

Trump cannot seem to focus. ADD?

I suggest he drop out and take a course on self-control, maybe kindergarten?

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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2016, 11:17:22 am »
The only reason he is being talked about is because Trump was Trump and attacked the mans wife for no good reason.

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2016, 11:54:21 am »

The only reason he is being talked about is because Trump was Trump and attacked the mans wife for no good reason.




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Also, I don't care who dies for this country..  You don't attack parents of dead soldiers..
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2016, 12:35:01 pm »

 :amen:


Also, I don't care who dies for this country..  You don't attack parents of dead soldiers..

And the parents of a dead soldier should not use that death to politically attack the other candidate.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2016, 12:37:03 pm »
And the parents of a dead soldier should not use that death to politically attack the other candidate.

The two cases are not symmetric.  The parents' case is more understandable than the cold, calculating, abusive case of the politician.

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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2016, 12:39:46 pm »

 :amen:


Also, I don't care who dies for this country..  You don't attack parents of dead soldiers..

These folks do




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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2016, 12:42:23 pm »
These folks do




So it is wrong regardless who does it..
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2016, 01:01:48 pm »


Trump has an "interesting" take on the First Amendment.

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 01:17:59 pm »
The two cases are not symmetric.  The parents' case is more understandable than the cold, calculating, abusive case of the politician.

I disagree.  Khan did not step up there to talk about his son, who was referenced by the father in two sentences, one of which praised Hillary Clinton.  He used his son as a prop, spending almost all of his short speech condemning Trump, while forgetting to mention the deaths directly on Clinton.  Here is his diatribe:

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If it was up to Donald Trump, he never would have been in America. Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities; women; judges; even his own party leadership.

He vows to build walls, and ban us from this country. Donald Trump, you're asking Americans to trust you with their future.

It was pure politics and only the hatred of Trump by former Republicans and conservatives would deny it.  There's a lot of things I dislike about Trump including part of his response to this attack on him, but at least I see the father's political motives for what they were.  Trump had nothing to do with his son's death. His son was a political pawn.  Did Khan express any concern over the deaths of Muslim soldiers during the time Clinton was working for Obama...the Commander in Chief?

If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics.  But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2016, 01:44:40 pm »
The outrage is that Trump responded to Khan, and that the goofy writer of this article responded to Khan.

Why not just keep your mouths shut?  Why the need to defend the indefensible, even if you have a quibble with it? 

The Trump supporters are turning into their boy, getting their backs up over the most insignificant things and responding as he does.

Trump's personality is the entire problem with Trump.  He stands for nothing that he wouldn't change in a heartbeat.  It's about him, and those who have stuck to him like glue are now in the uncomfortable position of having to explain why they do, even when he says the most outrageous things.

What we have here is a personality cult.  And the essence of a personality cult is when even smart members of it just don't mind being lied to.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2016, 01:51:51 pm »

Of course we see it was political. But that is not the point. The GOP uses the parents whose children were killed by illegal immigrants to attack Democrats. But that does not allow the Rats to then attack those parents....that would be insensitive and wrong in my view.

PS Thanks for the nice cut down of anti-trump group.

With respect to the illegals, you're preaching to the choir.  Having said that, at least there's linkage to Obama's policies on illegals and the guy that was released.  In this case Trump had nothing to do with the death of Khan's son, either directly or indirectly, and was if Trump can be believed, against the war.  Hillary on the other hand voted for the war, and was involved in policies leading to the deaths of many.  Trump has to learn how to respond to such attacks on him, and could have done so much better and more effectively.

And you're welcome.   :patriot:
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2016, 02:04:39 pm »
With respect to the illegals, you're preaching to the choir.  Having said that, at least there's linkage to Obama's policies on illegals and the guy that was released.  In this case Trump had nothing to do with the death of Khan's son, either directly or indirectly, and was if Trump can be believed, against the war.  Hillary on the other hand voted for the war, and was involved in policies leading to the deaths of many.  Trump has to learn how to respond to such attacks on him, and could have done so much better and more effectively.

And you're welcome.   :patriot:

See what I mean?

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MAC, please stop.  Trump had no business responding to Gold Star parents.  He is NEVER going to learn how to handle attacks on him and surely you know that.

And now Trump's controversy is all over the Sunday morning shows; he's being ridiculed by panel after panel. Plus, he's giving Mr. Khan another opportunity to respond to him.

When is enough enough?
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2016, 02:07:20 pm »
The outrage is that Trump responded to Khan, and that the goofy writer of this article responded to Khan.

Why not just keep your mouths shut?  Why the need to defend the indefensible, even if you have a quibble with it? 

The Trump supporters are turning into their boy, getting their backs up over the most insignificant things and responding as he does.

Trump's personality is the entire problem with Trump.  He stands for nothing that he wouldn't change in a heartbeat.  It's about him, and those who have stuck to him like glue are now in the uncomfortable position of having to explain why they do, even when he says the most outrageous things.

What we have here is a personality cult.  And the essence of a personality cult is when even smart members of it just don't mind being lied to.

Maybe if Trump becomes open borders, a globalist like Bush 43, he will have your approval but until then spare us the judgements.

Plenty of sacrifices have been made by the thousands of victims of Islam, jumping out of buildings and having their bodies split open on the pavement. Now, that was sacrifice.

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2016, 02:12:10 pm »
See what I mean?

Donald Trump still wrong about his claim that he opposed the Iraq War ahead of the Invasion

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/22/donald-trump/trump-still-wrong-his-claim-opposed-iraq-war-ahead/

MAC, please stop.  Trump had no business responding to Gold Star parents.  He is NEVER going to learn how to handle attacks on him and surely you know that.

And now Trump's controversy is all over the Sunday morning shows; he's being ridiculed by panel after panel. Plus, he's giving Mr. Khan another opportunity to respond to him.

When is enough enough?

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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2016, 02:12:52 pm »
Maybe if Trump becomes open borders, a globalist like Bush 43, he will have your approval but until then spare us the judgements.

Plenty of sacrifices have been made by the thousands of victims of Islam, jumping out of buildings and having their bodies split open on the pavement. Now, that was sacrifice.

Yes.  That was sacrifice.  And Trump capitalized on it:

Donald Trump took advantage of program designed to help small businesses after 9/11 — one of many times he’s used public funds for private gain

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-9-11-funds-program-net-150g-payday-article-1.2641951


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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2016, 02:14:48 pm »

 
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2016, 02:28:53 pm »
Compare Trump's response to Bush's response to a soldier's mother:

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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2016, 02:35:47 pm »
I disagree.  Khan did not step up there to talk about his son, who was referenced by the father in two sentences, one of which praised Hillary Clinton.  He used his son as a prop, spending almost all of his short speech condemning Trump, while forgetting to mention the deaths directly on Clinton.  Here is his diatribe:

It was pure politics and only the hatred of Trump by former Republicans and conservatives would deny it.  There's a lot of things I dislike about Trump including part of his response to this attack on him, but at least I see the father's political motives for what they were.  Trump had nothing to do with his son's death. His son was a political pawn.  Did Khan express any concern over the deaths of Muslim soldiers during the time Clinton was working for Obama...the Commander in Chief?

If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics.  But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm.

I just want to make sure you would feel the same way if a Gold Star Family member came out in support of the Donald and attacked Hillary.  You would believe these parents were using their childs death in a bad way and it would be okay for Hillary to attack those parents.

Personally nobody would have cared in the end about this particular family supporting Hillary, except to think they were stupid.  I do not care who comes out in support of who, it never changed my mind one way or the other.  He could have even expressed his condolences to the family and reminded them that it was not he who voted to send their son to war.

I believe the Donald has had relatives of people harmed by illegal immigrants campaign for him.  Are these parents to be denigrated for using their relatives in a political way?

The reality if tRump needs to learn when to open his mouth and when to shut it.

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« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2016, 02:57:18 pm »
Maybe if Trump becomes open borders, a globalist like Bush 43, he will have your approval but until then spare us the judgements.

@TomSea

He already has.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/25/before-the-brexit-donald-trump-was-a-transnationalist-who-wanted-to-leave-borders-behind/


"In January 2013, Trump wrote an op-ed in the cyber pages of CNN enthusiastically endorsing the economic benefits of Europe-wide interdependence and calling for nations “to leave borders behind.”




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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2016, 03:32:38 pm »
Whether Trump is offended by this mans words is irrelevant. The fact is, Trump is an idiot. The best course of action would have been to say nothing at all.

Trump didn't stick to policy he made a personal attack against the woman.  The first part of the letter is apparently who they are regardless of terrorism.  The rest of the letter is inflammatory and insulting.  Most of us realize that Islam is the center of terror.  If we hope to crush terrorism it will not be personally attacking Muslims who assimilate and desire freedom.  It would be to build these people up and thank them for their sons service and his example of peace and desire for freedom.  We should screen all people seeking refugee status and he is right there is no way.  I have said it before.  Safe zones need to be created in these countries fighting ISIS.  A Syrian man should stay and fight for his country if he is able.  They should not be leaving their country.  Just seems like common sense to me.   Sanitizing countries like Syria and leaving the rotting corps of ISIS/ISIL is not good thing.   If Kurdish women can fight on the front lines then all Syrians that desire freedom from ISIS should fight also.  I do not approve of Donald Trump approach.  It is a threat to religious freedom for all.  I agree we don't want to grant refugee status to people who should stay in their country and fight for freedom.  It should be the policy of the United States to lead nations in a approach of freedom for those nations if they do desire to be free from ISIS.  They could start by setting up safe zones and organizing people able to fight ISIS.  Not retreat and leave your country to be a desert of bones and devils.


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If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics.  But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm. 

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2016, 03:55:42 pm »
See what I mean?

Donald Trump still wrong about his claim that he opposed the Iraq War ahead of the Invasion

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/22/donald-trump/trump-still-wrong-his-claim-opposed-iraq-war-ahead/

MAC, please stop.  Trump had no business responding to Gold Star parents.  He is NEVER going to learn how to handle attacks on him and surely you know that.

And now Trump's controversy is all over the Sunday morning shows; he's being ridiculed by panel after panel. Plus, he's giving Mr. Khan another opportunity to respond to him.

When is enough enough?

Point being Hillary had far more to do with his son's death than did Trump.  Normally I would agree about responses to Gold Star parents, and as I said, while I think Trump's response was ill thought out, he has every right to respond to direct political attacks on him.  Hillary put Khan out there for only one reason...to get a freebee attack on Trump using the son's death as a cover.  Trump's problem was he fell for it, and could have responded by turning it back on the Clinton campaign.  While I don't agree with you on your crusade, I do agree Trump has a lot of difficulty in responding to attacks.  I don't know that he ever will get beyond that.  I hope he can.
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