What kind of person is Donald Trump?

[XenaLee]

Or I could pull a Jeff Foxworthy and write in Richard Petty.

Or....you could write in John Galt....or Guy Fawkes.  In fact, that might be a movement that would get the PTBs attention.  Imagine if millions of voters wrote in one of those names.  Would that ever make President Hillary a bit nervous.

[Silver Pines]

Well...here's something to think about, fellow Trump-Detesters.

And I make no apologies for him.  That he got the Republican nomination is a travesty.  And possibly the end of the party.

Trump...is a dull-normal ADHD narcissist.  He's campaigning to be Class President, not President of the United States.  He really doesn't think it MATTERS what he says - or that so much he could do would turn out to have terrible results.

When he DOES figure it out...my guess is, he'll want to quit.

Which would make Pence the President.  And THAT is possibly the best outcome to be hoped for.

Meantime, Billary, there...is dying of several maladies - cholera and TIA strokes and heart issues.  And her purported husband is becoming a dementia case.  SHE will probably die...possibly soon; certainly not soon enough.

That would make this Kaine guy the President.  And we will find out that he's not a moderate; just a behind-the-scenes stealth moonbat.

I hate to say it; but that will probably have me voting Trump.  Makes me sick to reward this REPULSIVE behavior...but that may be the only rational choice.  Vote Trump and hope Trump goes away somehow.

@JustPassinThru

Nope.  No way.  I'm in control of my own vote and I don't have to reward repulsive behavior nor make myself sick.  Why would I want to do that?

With all respect, voting for Trump in the hope that he'll drop out or something is not rational.    Whatever disaster happens, I will have had no part in it.

[roamer_1]

With all respect, voting for Trump in the hope that he'll drop out or something is not rational.    Whatever disaster happens, I will have had no part in it.

BUMP that.

[Cripplecreek]

@JustPassinThru

Nope.  No way.  I'm in control of my own vote and I don't have to reward repulsive behavior nor make myself sick.  Why would I want to do that?

With all respect, voting for Trump in the hope that he'll drop out or something is not rational.    Whatever disaster happens, I will have had no part in it.

That's like telling the party to go ahead and choose our candidate for us. At this point I'm not so sure that Trump isn't just a puppet anyway.

[Silver Pines]

My ex has the same issue going with a neighbor and long-time friend of his who has boarded the Trump Train To Hell.  I told him to just agree to disagree after stating his case against Trump ...and then when Trump loses in November, be gracious while saying "Told ya"....and then laugh it off and remain friends (if possible).  It's going to be hard to laugh off though...considering what we'll be stuck with.

That's good advice, @XenaLee .  It's really the only way a blow-up can be avoided.

If my friend would say, "Yeah, I know what he is and I can't stand him, but I'm going to vote for him because I don't want Hillary", I would get that.  I don't agree with it, but I could understand her reasoning.  But the ridiculous attempt to suddenly try and whitewash Trump in an attempt to assuage her conscience....I don't respect it.  In fact, it makes me sick.

[Silver Pines]

That's like telling the party to go ahead and choose our candidate for us. At this point I'm not so sure that Trump isn't just a puppet anyway.

@roamer_1

I know, I'm not convinced he isn't, either.

Unfortunately some of those on our side have already made it known to the GOP that they can do whatever the hell they want, and we'll stand passively by like a beaten wife with a black eye as she tells the cop, "I know he's terrible, but I don't want to press charges.  I want to give him another chance."

[Meshuge Mikey]

That's good advice, @XenaLee .  It's really the only way a blow-up can be avoided.

If my friend would say, "Yeah, I know what he is and I can't stand him, but I'm going to vote for him because I don't want Hillary", I would get that.  I don't agree with it, but I could understand her reasoning.  But the ridiculous attempt to suddenly try and whitewash Trump in an attempt to assuage her conscience....I don't respect it.  In fact, it makes me sick.

an interesting question: what kind of person is Donny Trump.   it nearly begs answering       

[JustPassinThru]

@JustPassinThru

Nope.  No way.  I'm in control of my own vote and I don't have to reward repulsive behavior nor make myself sick.  Why would I want to do that?

With all respect, voting for Trump in the hope that he'll drop out or something is not rational.    Whatever disaster happens, I will have had no part in it.

It's the only rational way of looking at it.

We've been given the choice.  You don't have to like it; but you have to realize that it is what it is.  Bad or bad. 

You can not choose or you can make a choice based on peripheral differences or possible eventualities.

I don't have a problem in wishing they BOTH drop dead, both parties' candidates.  Either of them are going to be a disaster.  It's worst imaginable final choice.  Either of them, both of them, are going to take us into economic collapse - with their incompetence, ignorance, arrogance and stupidity.

Not making the choice leaves the choice to others.  And that's fine - IF there TRULY is no difference.

The ONE important difference is the Vice President.  And that, the undemocratic Democrats being what they are, it's more likely that Trump will be removed due to his incompetence.

That is a second set of decision-points.  Trump will be held to account - by the holier-than-thou Democrats, who will eagerly seek a reason to Impeach or make Donnie's life miserable until he quits.  AND...because he PRETENDS to be a Republican Conservative...we'll all be tarred with his failure in the mediuh.

Bad for us. 

And he may be removed or quit.  Pence the Prez.  Good for us.

Balance that against Madame Rodham and her sidekick, the Leftist with a human mask.  SHE won't be called to account, by the RINOpubicans or anyone.  She may well die of her issues.  And what do we get out of it?  A guy we've never heard of but who, by the wonks at Conservative Review, score him ZERO.  Lower than Botox Nan of San-Fran.  Lower than Hillary.  Lower than Obama.

Is it sick to think this way?  No, it's realistic.  It's the only way to measure these buffoons.

[Silver Pines]

It's the only rational way of looking at it.

We've been given the choice.  You don't have to like it; but you have to realize that it is what it is.  Bad or bad. 

What you're saying is that we've had a choice forced upon us and I have to accept it.  I don't and I won't.  I'm under no obligation to choose between Hillary and Trump.

You can not choose or you can make a choice based on peripheral differences or possible eventualities.

I've already made my choice and it isn't going to change.

I don't have a problem in wishing they BOTH drop dead, both parties' candidates.  Either of them are going to be a disaster.  It's worst imaginable final choice.  Either of them, both of them, are going to take us into economic collapse - with their incompetence, ignorance, arrogance and stupidity.

You just made an unassailable, perfectly logical argument for refusing to support either candidate.  To do so, and then to say we must support one or the other, is simply not rational.

Not making the choice leaves the choice to others.  And that's fine - IF there TRULY is no difference.

You just made the case that there is no difference.  I agree with you on that.

The ONE important difference is the Vice President.  And that, the undemocratic Democrats being what they are, it's more likely that Trump will be removed due to his incompetence.

That is a second set of decision-points.  Trump will be held to account - by the holier-than-thou Democrats, who will eagerly seek a reason to Impeach or make Donnie's life miserable until he quits.  AND...because he PRETENDS to be a Republican Conservative...we'll all be tarred with his failure in the mediuh.

Bad for us. 

And he may be removed or quit.  Pence the Prez.  Good for us.

Sorry, that's nothing but a fantasy. 

Balance that against Madame Rodham and her sidekick, the Leftist with a human mask.  SHE won't be called to account, by the RINOpubicans or anyone.  She may well die of her issues.  And what do we get out of it?  A guy we've never heard of but who, by the wonks at Conservative Review, score him ZERO.  Lower than Botox Nan of San-Fran.  Lower than Hillary.  Lower than Obama.

Is it sick to think this way?  No, it's realistic.  It's the only way to measure these buffoons.

I disagree.  I won't be held responsible for the disaster of a Trump presidency.

[JustPassinThru]

What you're saying is that we've had a choice forced upon us and I have to accept it.  I don't and I won't.  I'm under no obligation to choose between Hillary and Trump.

I've already made my choice and it isn't going to change.

You just made an unassailable, perfectly logical argument for refusing to support either candidate.  To do so, and then to say we must support one or the other, is simply not rational.

You just made the case that there is no difference.  I agree with you on that.

Sorry, that's nothing but a fantasy. 

I disagree.  I won't be held responsible for the disaster of a Trump presidency.

Nope, not a fantasy.  A possible outcome.

When you're backed into a corner, you can play the odds, or you can wish, real REAL hard.

Wishing is for children.  You take the odds and the less-bad outcome.  Think of those people who jumped from the World Trade Center.  They knew jumping meant death; but death by impact was less terrifying than being burned alive.

If the MORE likely outcome happens, we are going down no matter what.  One thing we know for sure is, if the D nominee gets in office, we will have NO chance of a conservative obtaining the office.

If the RINO nominee, who's really another D, gets in...the odds are he'll be put out faster, and then there will be a conservative in there.

Like I keep saying:  You don't have to like it.  I sure don't.  I like curling up in a ball in the corner and weeping helplessly, less.

[geronl]

When those are your choices,  it's time to think unconventionally.   There's another name on the ballot in all 50 states.  Johnson/Weld.

Johnson doesn't support religious freedom

[JustPassinThru]

Johnson doesn't support religious freedom

And he does support destruction of prenatal infants; and does support open borders and legalization of non-medicinal hallucinogenic drugs.

Open Borders, it goes withotu saying, are incompatible with extensive, expensive social handout-programs.  Now the Losertarians will tell me that he also supports an end to the Welfare State - to which I say, sure.  I'll believe that when I see it.  Before that happens there's the whole of Congress and an ARMY of Leftist activists disguised as Federal judges.

We'll get the worst of both worlds - for a few years.  Then the nation collapses, which is what the Left is working for anyway.

They had a chance to be serious and thoughtful and present an alternative.  They chose to stage a spectacle to mock the election process.  Fine.  I can ignore freakshows.

[XenaLee]

That's good advice, @XenaLee .  It's really the only way a blow-up can be avoided.

If my friend would say, "Yeah, I know what he is and I can't stand him, but I'm going to vote for him because I don't want Hillary", I would get that.  I don't agree with it, but I could understand her reasoning.  But the ridiculous attempt to suddenly try and whitewash Trump in an attempt to assuage her conscience....I don't respect it.  In fact, it makes me sick.

And just think.   Your friend has another three months of Trump's Mouth run amuck to contend with.  You almost have to feel sorry for them.  Almost, but not quite.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm claiming that Trump is a fake/phony/fraud.  He never served but claims he has made "sacrifices".  He's a fat cat rich dude that got four deferments.  Who, in his family, has EVER served this country?  Can you answer that question?

(Good thing this isn't the "election section"....else this post, an expression of my opinion and an example of freedom of speech, would be deleted by 'you know who')

Nice rant @XenaLee   Now how about answering my question?

[Rivergirl]

In a word............UNHINGED

[Silver Pines]

Nope, not a fantasy.  A possible outcome.

Even assuming he wins the election, and that's unlikely, it's an extremely remote possibility, and no reason to vote for a disgusting, unfit individual.

When you're backed into a corner, you can play the odds, or you can wish, real REAL hard.

Wishing is for children.  You take the odds and the less-bad outcome.  Think of those people who jumped from the World Trade Center.  They knew jumping meant death; but death by impact was less terrifying than being burned alive.

Who's wishing?  This is what some folks can't seem to understand, no matter how often they're told otherwise: I am not backed into a corner.

You might be,  or more accurately you might believe you are, but it's because you're allowing it. 

There is no way on this earth I will vote for Donald Trump.   I'm sorry you feel you have to vote for someone who sickens you, but it's your choice to do so, and you can't lay the blame on anyone or anything else.

If the MORE likely outcome happens, we are going down no matter what.  One thing we know for sure is, if the D nominee gets in office, we will have NO chance of a conservative obtaining the office.

If the RINO nominee, who's really another D, gets in...the odds are he'll be put out faster, and then there will be a conservative in there.

See, you just corrected yourself:  Trump is a Democrat.  In fact, he admitted it last summer in a "Morning Joe" interview.  Vote for a Dem if you like, but you're just engaging yourself in mental gymnastics to try and justify doing so.

Like I keep saying:  You don't have to like it.  I sure don't.  I like curling up in a ball in the corner and weeping helplessly, less.

I'm sorry you're so upset, but voting for a man who sickens you isn't going to make you feel any better.  Personally, I feel free.  I've been sitting back and laughing at all of this for a while now. 

You're right, though...I don't have to like where the election is.  I also don't have to take part in the disaster.

[Silver Pines]

And just think.   Your friend has another three months of Trump's Mouth run amuck to contend with.  You almost have to feel sorry for them.  Almost, but not quite.

Lol, exactly.

As far as I'm concerned, if my friend is going to sell her soul for a game show host, she's asking for the mess that's coming her way.

[roamer_1]

Even assuming he wins the election, and that's unlikely, it's an extremely remote possibility, and no reason to vote for a disgusting, unfit individual.

It's the same shtick from the McCain't/Palin campaign all over again.

Spinning like a Maytag.

[Silver Pines]

It's the same shtick from the McCain't/Palin campaign all over again.

Spinning like a Maytag.

Yep, we're not having it this time around.

[JustPassinThru]

Even assuming he wins the election, and that's unlikely, it's an extremely remote possibility, and no reason to vote for a disgusting, unfit individual.

Who's wishing?  This is what some folks can't seem to understand, no matter how often they're told otherwise: I am not backed into a corner.

You might be,  or more accurately you might believe you are, but it's because you're allowing it. 

There is no way on this earth I will vote for Donald Trump.   I'm sorry you feel you have to vote for someone who sickens you, but it's your choice to do so, and you can't lay the blame on anyone or anything else.

See, you just corrected yourself:  Trump is a Democrat.  In fact, he admitted it last summer in a "Morning Joe" interview.  Vote for a Dem if you like, but you're just engaging yourself in mental gymnastics to try and justify doing so.

I'm sorry you're so upset, but voting for a man who sickens you isn't going to make you feel any better.  Personally, I feel free.  I've been sitting back and laughing at all of this for a while now. 

You're right, though...I don't have to like where the election is.  I also don't have to take part in the disaster.

Let me get this straight.

You're arguing FOR...a position of COMPLETE PASSIVITY.  Just letting someone else choose, and for silly, vapid, herdlike reasons.

Do you always deal with crises like this?  Just throw your hands up and collapse in a corner?

[Suppressed]

IThe ONE important difference is the Vice President.  And that, the undemocratic Democrats being what they are, it's more likely that Trump will be removed due to his incompetence.

Selecting the nominally conservative Pence was a good insurance move against that.

[XenaLee]

Let me get this straight.

You're arguing FOR...a position of COMPLETE PASSIVITY.  Just letting someone else choose, and for silly, vapid, herdlike reasons.

Do you always deal with crises like this?  Just throw your hands up and collapse in a corner?

I think what she is trying to tell you (duh).....is that voting for the lesser of two evils....

is STILL voting for evil.  (good grief)

[Silver Pines]

Let me get this straight.

You're arguing FOR...a position of COMPLETE PASSIVITY.  Just letting someone else choose, and for silly, vapid, herdlike reasons.

Do you always deal with crises like this?  Just throw your hands up and collapse in a corner?

Are you asking me that with a straight face?  Seriously?

I'm arguing against passivity, which is the belief that we have no other options than what the GOP presents us with, so we have to meekly submit and swallow it.

[musiclady]

Let me get this straight.

You're arguing FOR...a position of COMPLETE PASSIVITY.  Just letting someone else choose, and for silly, vapid, herdlike reasons.

Do you always deal with crises like this?  Just throw your hands up and collapse in a corner?

Is this opposite day in your world??

Because what you have said is precisely the opposite of what @CatherineofAragon said.

As I see it, the people who think they have no choice but to vote for a corrupt, amoral Democrat like Trump are the ones who are being passive.

Realizing that we still have the freedom of choice and don't have to do what the puppet masters demand we do (which is the apparent position you are taking), is remarkably liberating.

I'm doing what's RIGHT, not what I'm being forced to do.

[JustPassinThru]

So your answer is to let someone else decide.

It matters little at this point, I guess - but that's not my instinct.  It sure is the instinct of a lot of people - I thought most of them were Losertarians; smug in how they were oh, so Above It All in voting for their circus act.

I could throw some analogies out here, but I sense the negative posters are dug in.  So be it...I don't advocate voting or not-voting; I think it's the individual's choice and the responsibility lies in knowing if one is informed enough to choose.   BUT...you don't vote, you don't have much to complain about when others choose.