As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them

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SOURCE: RED STATE

URL: http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/07/27/parties-lose-disaffected-voters-gary-johnson-wins/

by: Brandon Morse


The exodus continues from both parties in such large numbers that pollsters are making it a point to take note of it.

The latest polls from a combined WaPo/ABC poll show that people are leaving the Democratic party in droves due to the treatment of Bernie Sanders at the hands of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC.

But while they're leaving the party, they aren't necessarily going with Trump. As WaPo states, that occurrence is actually quite rare. Only 9% of the ex-Sanders vote is going to Trump.

No, like former Republicans, most of the voters departing from Clinton are heading to the proverbial political frontier to seek the 3rd party options, and waiting for them there are the Libertarians and Green party by a whopping 21%.

According to the WaPo/ABC poll, the Libertarian and Green parties are neck in neck in picking up Sanders' wayward supporters by a 10% to 11% margin, with the Green party just ahead by 1%.

The Green Party being so close to the progressives in ideas, it's not a wonder that the Green party candidate, Dr, Jill Stein, is eking out a victory when it comes to picking up former Dem voters. However, that lead disappears when the apostate Republican vote is added.

Those leaving the GOP due to Trump's nomination are heading toward Johnson in large numbers. According to the poll, 17% is heading away from the Republican party, and 13% of that is finding their new political home with Gary Johnson. Compare that to only 4% going to Stein.



Source: Combined data from June and July Washington Post-ABC News polls


The bad news for Stein in the Green Party is that they won't be on the ballot in all fifty states come November, including important swing states. But Johnson and the Libertarian party will.

As far as 3rd parties go, the Libertarian party is poised to be this election season's dark horse.

[ABX]

Our local LP chair can't keep bumper stickers and signs in stock in our little Texas town. She is seeing record people signing up and volunteering. Even the former Young Republican Club chair and most of the members have switched.  In our very Conservative town, I've seen one Trump bumper sticker, about a half dozen Hillary ones, and dozens of Johnson or LP stickers. A lot of this has to do with the local Republican precinct chair does not like Trump so she isn't distributing anything for him.

[catfish1957]

Isn't 20% the threshold for debate inclusion.

[ABX]

Isn't 20% the threshold for debate inclusion.

15%

Of course, the two major parties will fight tooth and nail to keep him out.

[Night Hides Not]

15%

Of course, the two major parties will fight tooth and nail to keep him out.

Bernie must be really kicking himself now. He could have been a bona fide kingmaker. His supporters need to be told what to do.

Cruz's supporters like me bristle at the notion of taking orders. That's why Ted was smart to not endorse Trump. He knew that we would take umbrage at such direction.

[Suppressed]

Source: Combined data from June and July Washington Post-ABC News polls

I don't think Johnson is a good candidate, but I'd like to see him do well, to "keep the major parties honest".  As it stands, Trump and Hillary are acting like there's no threat.

[JustPassinThru]

I don't know why anyone needs to vote Losertarian to get their signature platform items implemented.

Open borders we have NOW.  Most of us know it's a disaster unfolding.

Marijuana legalization we also have, in some places under the subterfuge of "medicinal."  Pot use is exploding off the charts; and so is clamor for socialism.  Coinky-dink?

The LP platform and method are not serious. Granted, they will not win; but even in a protest vote I feel a need to dispense it responsibly.

[TomSea]

Vote for the pro-choice LPs if one wants. Where's folks principles now?

Hang me before I conside it.

Yes, we know, Trump isn't pro-life, well Gary Johnson sure is nothing compared to Mike Pence. Pro-life record proven.

[truth_seeker]

So called "conservatives" going to LP Johnson is a joke, since his positions are mostly very liberal.

But while their lack of critical thinking might have previously been up for discussion, it is now openly displayed.

Here is an LP platform refresher for Jmerlyfuller, from memory:

--open borders
--abortion on demand
--same sex marriage
--reduce military spending 43%

[TomSea]

I don't know why anyone needs to vote Losertarian to get their signature platform items implemented.

Open borders we have NOW.  Most of us know it's a disaster unfolding.

Marijuana legalization we also have, in some places under the subterfuge of "medicinal."  Pot use is exploding off the charts; and so is clamor for socialism.  Coinky-dink?

The LP platform and method are not serious. Granted, they will not win; but even in a protest vote I feel a need to dispense it responsibly.

Exactly, the Liberaltarians.

I heard talk they are looking at 5% at best. 1% for Jill Stein.

[Resp3]

So called "conservatives" going to LP Johnson is a joke, since his positions are mostly very liberal.

But while their lack of critical thinking might have previously been up for discussion, it is now openly displayed.

Here is an LP platform refresher for Jmerlyfuller, from memory:

--open borders
--abortion on demand
--same sex marriage
--reduce military spending 43%

FTA....

According to the WaPo/ABC poll, the Libertarian and Green parties are neck in neck in picking up Sanders' wayward supporters by a 10% to 11% margin, with the Green party just ahead by 1%.

How very telling. And not surprising. Libertarianism appeals to wackie Bern voters.

I've never respected liberaltarians.

[ABX]

So called "conservatives" going to LP Johnson is a joke, since his positions are mostly very liberal.

But while their lack of critical thinking might have previously been up for discussion, it is now openly displayed.

Here is an LP platform refresher for Jmerlyfuller, from memory:

--open borders
--abortion on demand
--same sex marriage
--reduce military spending 43%

Let's correct a few things.

--open borders Elimination of welfare programs that attract illegal aliens here to leech the system. That's the biggest draw for the criminal class. Easier legal immigration resulting in reducing crime associated with illegal immigration. Result, those coming here won't be coming illegally to leech the system but legally for mutual financial benefit.
--abortion on demand Returning the issue to the States. Not the best position, but fighting it on the federal level has failed for 30 years.
--same sex marriage Actual platform is to take government out of the marriage business entirely.
--reduce military spending 43% That doesn't necessarily mean weaker. This can be accomplished though wiser spending, reducing waste, and improving technology. No more $500 hammers.

[Jazzhead]

So called "conservatives" going to LP Johnson is a joke, since his positions are mostly very liberal.

Bullspit.

But while their lack of critical thinking might have previously been up for discussion, it is now openly displayed.

Here is an LP platform refresher for Jmerlyfuller, from memory:

--open borders
--abortion on demand
--same sex marriage
--reduce military spending 43%

See AbaraXas's response above.   What's important is that Johnson is the ONLY candidate who favors limited, liberty-centric, Constitutional government.   What's just as important is he's NOT TRUMP and NOT HILLARY.   

GO JOHNSON/WELD!!   

[truth_seeker]

FTA....

According to the WaPo/ABC poll, the Libertarian and Green parties are neck in neck in picking up Sanders' wayward supporters by a 10% to 11% margin, with the Green party just ahead by 1%.

How very telling. And not surprising. Libertarianism appeals to wackie Bern voters.

I've never respected liberaltarians.

I once considered them worth looking at. But after 9-11-2001 their candidate Harry Browne blamed America, and that did it for me. Looking further, I learned they are mostly "attention seeking political hobbyists."

It is an appealing option if one decides to "get involved" with politics, to go to 3rd and 4th party meetings, since they are small and you get attention.

And one of my favorite guys Larry Elder dumped libertarianism them at the same time, and has not gone back.

[ABX]

I once considered them worth looking at. But after 9-11-2001 their candidate Harry Browne blamed America, and that did it for me. Looking further, I learned they are mostly "attention seeking political hobbyists."

I'm just going to leave that there so people can smell the irony.

[truth_seeker]

Bullspit.

See AbaraXas's response above.   What's important is that Johnson is the ONLY candidate who favors limited, liberty-centric, Constitutional government.   What's just as important is he's NOT TRUMP and NOT HILLARY.   

GO JOHNSON/WELD!!

Weren't you for Kasich, two weeks ago? Forever grasping at straws, it seems.

[Cripplecreek]

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[ABX]

Bullspit.

See AbaraXas's response above.   What's important is that Johnson is the ONLY candidate who favors limited, liberty-centric, Constitutional government.   What's just as important is he's NOT TRUMP and NOT HILLARY.   

GO JOHNSON/WELD!!

I think a lot of people look at LP issues from the surface and through the glasses of the two major parties definitions of what they mean and the result. The LP isn't perfect in the least, but what they offer is a pendulum swing towards limited government and maximizing individual liberty- even if some of the issues associated with that draw the ire of the alt-Right Conservatives. The latter are seeing just the individual issue but are glad to have government grow and grow and grow to become their own hammer. When it gets down to it, at this point the Republicans and Democrats both want to grow the government for their own purposes and are both leading down a path of centralized authoritarian control.

Immigration is the perfect example. On the left, you have open borders and open welfare. On the right, you have a police state. The Libertarian approach is to cut off the welfare magnet that attracts the leeches and criminal class and make legal immigration easier. This means you would have fewer if any coming in for criminal reasons- immigration would return to a mutually beneficial arrangement where we would get people willing to work, not leech the system, for businesses who need them.   There wouldn't be this underground, almost slave economy of illegals.

To use the old water leak analogy.
Democrats would open the faucet and let more water in.
Republicans would duct tape the water leak then bail the water.  This doesn't actually fix the problem of a broken pipe, it just adds a temporary patch, but what is drawing them is still in place and will continue until the next pipe breaks.
Libertarians would cut off the water main (what supplies the water in the first place) and replace the pipe with one that works.

[Wingnut]

So,  In the "Make America Great Again" world, what is the zeitgeist of a vote for Gary Johnson?   Is it a vote for Hillary or a vote for Trump?

[cato potatoe]

So called "conservatives" going to LP Johnson is a joke, since his positions are mostly very liberal.

But while their lack of critical thinking might have previously been up for discussion, it is now openly displayed.

Here is an LP platform refresher for Jmerlyfuller, from memory:

--open borders
--abortion on demand
--same sex marriage
--reduce military spending 43%

I disagree with most of the libertarians on border security.  Fine, but Trump's position is totally unworkable with regard to deportation.  He would grant amnesty whether or not "the wall" is built and the 12 million illegals will never be forced to pass through his big, beautiful door.  It is a pointless exercise.  Abortion?  There will never be a federal ban on abortion.  If you want to restrict access, it is best to follow the tenth amendment a la Gary Johnson.  Same sex marriage?  Again, the regulation should take place at the state level.  Most Americans believe in equality for gays.  You aren't going to see a federal ban on gays from anything in your lifetime.  Military spending?  We pay a ridiculous price for defense, and we are now $20 trillion in debt.  The budget will never be balanced without trimming the DOD.

[ABX]

So,  In the "Make America Great Again" world, what is the zeitgeist of a vote for Gary Johnson?   Is it a vote for Hillary or a vote for Trump?

Well, Trump supporters say if you vote for anyone but him, that's a vote for Hillary.
Clinton supporters say if you vote for anyone but her, that's a vote for Trump.

So, I guess that doubles my power by not voting for either of them, I am voting twice, voting for both of them.

[Cripplecreek]

Well, Trump supporters say if you vote for anyone but him, that's a vote for Hillary.
Clinton supporters say if you vote for anyone but her, that's a vote for Trump.

So, I guess that doubles my power by not voting for either of them, I am voting twice, voting for both of them.

After being told that I have to vote for the lesser evil I just might vote for Johnson.

[truth_seeker]

So,  In the "Make America Great Again" world, what is the zeitgeist of a vote for Gary Johnson?   Is it a vote for Hillary or a vote for Trump?

A play for "attention" in the anonymous online world. "Look at me. Do you notice?"

[Wingnut]

A play for "attention" in the anonymous online world. "Look at me. Do you notice?"

Oh, I see.  He scares the hell out of you. 

[Gov Bean Counter]

I'm just going to leave that there so people can smell the irony.

"my I.Q. is one of the highest...", begs the question...

in my family???
in my carpool???
in my golf foursome???
in the men's room???

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