OPEN THREAD FOR DEMOCRAT CONVENTION - Wednesday, July 27

[HonestJohn]

Question is: Are the voice mails real? 

Any why did the NSA not assist the FBI, since national security was at stake?

How do you know they didn't?  Are you expecting the two organizations to provide the press and yourself details of their operations?

[L9teen]

Zeke Miller ‏@ZekeJMiller   26m26 minutes ago
DNC has turned off the stage lights in the chanting sections to make them less visible on TV

[sinkspur]

To pay attention to the Convention:

Jonathan Martin ‏@jmartNYT  22m22 minutes ago
An unapologetic gun control push in 2016 is 1 thing, but the former CIA chief being nearly shouted down when making case against terror?

Bernie's goofs booed Leon Panetta when he talked about taking the fight to terrorists.

What in hell is the matter with these people?

[mystery-ak]

Philip Rucker ‏@PhilipRucker 38s39 seconds ago

Biden Bidening on Trump: “He tries to tell us he cares about the middle class. Give me a break. That’s a bunch of malarkey.”



BuzzFeed News ‏@BuzzFeedNews 44s44 seconds ago

Biden on Trump: "This guy doesn't have a clue about the middle class. Not a clue…He has no clue period.”

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[mystery-ak]

Mark Young ‏@MarkYoungTruth 23s23 seconds ago

Biden: no party has ever been less prepared to deal with terrorism. Notice he never said which party?



GregGutfeld ‏@greggutfeld 45s46 seconds ago

Biden did a better speech for Hillary than he ever did for himself.

[sinkspur]

Not a Russian toady.  Just a little Gedanken or thought experiment to make people realize the damage that has been done.

Worst outcome for the US is Hillary wins and is blackmailed by multiple foreign intelligence services.

Or Trump wins and US foreign policy looks the other way when Putin works his will because of Trump's business interests in Russia.

[geronl]

Not a Russian toady.  Just a little Gedanken or thought experiment to make people realize the damage that has been done.

Trump loses and the Oligarchs call in their debts and leave Donald homeless on 5th avenue

[LonestarDream]

How do you know they didn't?  Are you expecting the two organizations to provide the press and yourself details of their operations?

1)  Jamie Gorelick built the NSA wall
2)  Congress/ others would have been briefed as to the damage assessment.

No one talks about WHICH intelligence service(s) have these emails.

Trump brings awareness to the issue.  Not trying to be contentious on this point.

The question stands apart from our current discussion.

[geronl]

If Hillary wins, the five decade cover up continues.

and her good friend and major donor is going to change that? I doubt it very much. Trump loves corruption.

[Idiot]

Accountability.  Trump brought it today.

I'll give you that Trump wasn't that repulsive today.  This is one day....see how he does for the next 3 or 4 months.

[HonestJohn]

jimgeraghty ‏@jimgeraghty 8h8 hours ago

1) There was nothing secret in HRC's 30K deleted e-mails.
2) It's a "national security issue" if Russia gets them.

Pick one, Hillary camp.

So there is no danger in Russia having the ability to hack into the US organizations?  That a hostile foreign power can do so *is* a national security issue.

And that is a different issue than Hillary's emails. Much the same as how Timothy McVeigh was a different issue to Aldrich Ames.

[LonestarDream]

Trump can't talk about the missing chapter because he's done everything Bill has and probably much worse.

As for Hillary, who is worse?  The pedophile rapist or the woman letting her husband off the hook or laughing about it.  It's a wash.  They're both filth.

Trump likes give warnings.  Like he did with Ted/Heidi Cruz, starting around Jan.

While nasty in the primary, we can expect more in the general.

In other words, Trump is not finished.

[LonestarDream]

So there is no danger in Russia having the ability to hack into the US organizations?  That a hostile foreign power can do so *is* a national security issue.

And that is a different issue than Hillary's emails. Much the same as how Timothy McVeigh was a different issue to Aldrich Ames.

No HJ, it is what has already happened to Hillary's emails.  Comey let Hillary off, until Trump brought it back front and center.

Furthermore, if the NSA DID brief the FBI on what was lost and the impacts, Comey definitely should have indicted.

[HonestJohn]

No HJ, it is what has already happened to Hillary's emails.  Comey let Hillary off, until Trump brought it back front and center.

Furthermore, if the NSA DID brief the FBI on what was lost and the impacts, Comey definitely should have indicted.

And how would you know what was or was not briefed?  Or whether that would or would not meet legal requirements for indictment? 

It sounds very much like you have come to a conclusion and are desperately trying to make assumptions to fit them.

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This is the first time, since I started coming here, that I've met a poster where the logic behind every single post is something I cannot fathom.  I've seen trolls here and I ignore them, but you are the first that is not a troll, but an honest person... whose reasoning I cannot follow in the slightest.

[LonestarDream]

And how would you know what was or was not briefed?  Or whether that would or would not meet legal requirements for indictment? 

It sounds very much like you have come to a conclusion and are desperately trying to make assumptions to fit them.

Follow the logic.   Either Hillary could be black mailed or Comey has committed grave dereliction.

[sinkspur]

Trump likes give warnings.  Like he did with Ted/Heidi Cruz, starting around Jan.

While nasty in the primary, we can expect more in the general.

In other words, Trump is not finished.

What the hell does that mean?  Heidi Cruz had no part of Ted's campaign.  Trump's slurring of her looks was a bottom-of-the-barrel slam.

Trump will surely be nasty in the general, but only you Trumpsters will lap that up.

[LonestarDream]

So there is no danger in Russia having the ability to hack into the US organizations? 

Exactly the problem that Hillary and the DNC have compromised US security on.

1) Soliciting bribes for the Clinton Foundation from foreign entities.
2) Soliciting bribes for the presidential library from foreign entities.
3) Using a compromised 'home brew' server to dodge law enforcement

[jedidah]

While nasty in the primary, we can expect more in the general.

We're all aware of that.  Is that supposed to make us feel better about the mess we're in?

[LonestarDream]

What the hell does that mean?  Heidi Cruz had no part of Ted's campaign.  Trump's slurring of her looks was a bottom-of-the-barrel slam.

Trump will surely be nasty in the general, but only you Trumpsters will lap that up.

What Trump did to Ted was wrong, yet Ted got trashed for sticking up for his wife.

No doubt.

[don-o]

jimgeraghty ‏@jimgeraghty 8h8 hours ago

1) There was nothing secret in HRC's 30K deleted e-mails.
2) It's a "national security issue" if Russia gets them.

Pick one, Hillary camp.

Now it's coming into focus.

[LonestarDream]

We're all aware of that.  Is that supposed to make us feel better about the mess we're in?

I feel better if the current vintage of corruption has an expiration date.

[LonestarDream]

We're all aware of that.  Is that supposed to make us feel better about the mess we're in?

Another response to this is it makes me appreciate Calvin Coolidge and Ronald Reagan- and even John Adams & John Quincy Adams all the more...

[mystery-ak]

Derek Hunter ‏@derekahunter 31s32 seconds ago

Tim Kaine has the personality of bean bag chair without any of the charm

[mystery-ak]

Chuck Woolery ‏@chuckwoolery 42s42 seconds ago

My guess is that Obama will tell us thing are great, but they could be better. It's what he always say.And Trump BAD,Hillary GOOD!