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Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?

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By: Jen Kuznicki | July 23, 2016


I left the Republican Party two years ago because I thought it too difficult to support Republicans in general after watching former House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. (F, 42%) sell out the country repeatedly; and because I saw an organized effort to thwart conservative Christians from election.

Republican Country Club types populated the party’s ranks and liked the energy and enthusiasm people like me brought to the party in 2008 and 2009, but they didn’t want to talk about limited government, or pro-life issues. Many were baffled that so many people would be upset about Obamacare, as many of them lamented that they wished the Republicans had accomplished something like it; they were genuinely upset the Democrats beat them to it.

Campaign for Liberty types came into the party a short while after me, and they too didn’t want to talk about being pro-life, but their influence promoted Ron Paul, who was also very much against what I considered to be my wing of the party — the Reagan and Lincoln wing. Mentioning either great Republican president in their company made them very, very upset, indeed.

So I thought of the party as primarily made up of these three factions — well, four, if you count the party apparatchiks. They are the ones responsible for arguing in any manner necessary in order to keep the factions together while simultaneously undermining each of them to produce certain outcomes.

Ain’t politics grand?

With the close of the Republican convention where they picked a nominee that holds few conservative values, it is the Reagan and Lincoln wing of the party that is being snubbed through an unholy alliance between the country clubbers and the C4L types. Yes, while country clubbers proudly stood for Gerald Ford and Ron Paul trashed Ronald Reagan, it’s certainly not Trump that has been put in the position that Reagan had been; it’s Cruz, from my wing.

So let’s get this straight. Senator Ted Cruz, R-Texas (A, 97%) is either the future of the Republican Party, or there is no Republican Party in the future.

No, it’s not just one man. Cruz isn’t the only one from my wing, but he represents, almost perfectly, the values and policies that formed the party to begin with and the founder’s vision of America. Those who attack Cruz attack the founding of the nation and the ideals that make America special, and in doing so, move us toward a repeat of the centuries-old curse of government as our master, instead of the people being the master of our government. The voice of history must be heard.

Right now, our nation is divided because the election of Barack Obama was a turning point in our history. When no media sources vetted then-Senator Obama, conservatives certainly did, and alarmed the countryside. His presidency would mean change in a radical way. And radical it has been. The Alinskyites, Obama and Hillary Clinton would sow division and class warfare, tighten the clamp on our industries and spend enormous amounts of our tax dollars on welfare and entitlements, transforming our nation from one of hope and capitalism into one of hatred and violence and hopelessness. These Marxist ideologues have degenerated the population extremely quickly. It is clear that there aren’t enough people who recognize how very terrible things have gotten, and how this radical agenda has redefined America.

But the beacon of light comes with knowing history, and championing true American values broadly defined as conservatism. This election year didn’t get a lot of that type of talk; it instead talked about the size of someone’s hands or cheap shots and silliness.
 
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 01:50:28 pm »
"Those who attack Cruz attack the founding of the nation and the ideals that make America special, and in doing so, move us toward a repeat of the centuries-old curse of government as our master, instead of the people being the master of our government. The voice of history must be heard."

Exactly right.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 01:56:02 pm »
At this point, 'does the GOP have a future' is the question that should be asked.

If the GOP hand an ounce of manhood between the whole bunch of them they would officially throw out those they don't feel represent their new party. They won't because they're cowards who are just smart enough to realize that it would be the tipping point that would create a new major party of constitutional conservatives.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 01:59:49 pm »
Canadian values making America special? How does that work?

Cruz should've informed Texans he was a dual Canadian-American citizen before running for Senate - not after he started running for president.

But, if Ted Cruz were to disappear from the political scene the Republican Party would do fine without him.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 02:02:02 pm »
Canadian values making America special? How does that work?

Cruz should've informed Texans he was a dual Canadian-American citizen before running for Senate - not after he started running for president.

But, if Ted Cruz were to disappear from the political scene the Republican Party would do fine without him.

Of course it would. Its much happier with Trump, now that its decided it likes a big strong centralized government that can effectively manage its subjects.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 02:07:03 pm »
As long as the RNC refused to change the rules with regard to open primaries we have no chance of being the party with a conscience.   The way to dilute our party is to keep the open primaries and that is what the rules committee did.   We are going to have to get more involved in our local politics and try to make our town officials more honorable.

Go to town hall meetings, school board meetings, and let us start over to remake America.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 02:08:24 pm »
Of course it would. Its much happier with Trump, now that its decided it likes a big strong centralized government that can effectively manage its subjects.

Trumpers are like garbage disposals minus the disposal ability.

Its kind of pathetic really. They're stuck repeating the same old BS over and over again because Orange Glorious hasn't given them anything new to repeat.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 02:08:35 pm »
The disingenuous (lying) people that continue to attempt to make Cruz's birthplace an issue, when it is not, is much akin to the same despicable efforts by the idiot left that claimed that Bush was AWOL when he was merely helping Blount with his Alabama senate run.  All perfectly legal and above board, but they slimed Bush anyway.

It's the exact same despicable politics of personal destruction that the rabid left uses and I posit that that is no accident.  The same people in both instances display the same values.  Crap values, that is.
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 02:08:43 pm »
Does the Republican Party have a future with or without Ted Cruz is a much better question IMHO!
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 02:09:41 pm »
As long as the RNC refused to change the rules with regard to open primaries we have no chance of being the party with a conscience.   The way to dilute our party is to keep the open primaries and that is what the rules committee did.   We are going to have to get more involved in our local politics and try to make our town officials more honorable.

Go to town hall meetings, school board meetings, and let us start over to remake America.

Go to state conventions where Republican national committee members are elected and get real conservatives elected. :patriot:

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 02:11:40 pm »
Go to state conventions where Republican national committee members are elected and get real conservatives elected. :patriot:

Did that for 40 years!  Didn't change a thing!
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 02:14:25 pm »
The disingenuous (lying) people that continue to attempt to make Cruz's birthplace an issue, when it is not, is much akin to the same despicable efforts by the idiot left that claimed that Bush was AWOL when he was merely helping Blount with his Alabama senate run.  All perfectly legal and above board, but they slimed Bush anyway.

It's the exact same despicable politics of personal destruction that the rabid left uses and I posit that that is no accident.  The same people in both instances display the same values.  Crap values, that is.

Alinksy playbook.

These folks' time would more productively be spent over on The Village Voice or Daily Beast following their champion's lead & snagging those Sanders voters.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 02:19:07 pm »
As long as the RNC refused to change the rules with regard to open primaries we have no chance of being the party with a conscience.   The way to dilute our party is to keep the open primaries and that is what the rules committee did.   We are going to have to get more involved in our local politics and try to make our town officials more honorable.

Go to town hall meetings, school board meetings, and let us start over to remake America.

That is the dirty little "secret" that few want to deal with. Priebus truly hosed Conservatives in that rules fight and the Trump Train either colluded knowingly or unknowingly set things up to stymie us going forward.



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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 02:30:03 pm »
"Those who attack Cruz attack the founding of the nation and the ideals that make America special, and in doing so, move us toward a repeat of the centuries-old curse of government as our master, instead of the people being the master of our government. The voice of history must be heard."

Exactly right.

The draw of Cruz to his most ardent supporters including many here is his "principles" over compromise stance.  The founding of this Nation came about through the most amazing compromises imaginable from slavery to representation to an executive.  Compromise after compromise.  Not everyone would sign the draft, and it was a difficult sell.  A reading of the Anti-Federalist Papers shows the deep divisions that existed in every aspect of the new Nation...including the rights amendments.  It was not a time Ted Cruz would have fared well in.
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 02:34:11 pm »
It's not Cruz the person.  It's Cruz as representative of constitutional conservatism.  It is Cruz as representative of a principled person who campaigns, wins, and then goes to Washington and does what he promised.  THAT is what is under attack with the attacks on Ted Cruz.  THAT I take as an attack on me and my values.  THAT is why I will not rejoin the GOP until they return to first principles -- until they at least govern according to their stated principles in their platform.

Exactly. The attack on Ted Cruz isn't about who he is but what he represents and by extension it is a direct attack on those of us who believe in what Ted Cruz represents.

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After watching the GOP convention and the GOP fall in line, I wouldn't argue that Trump isn't Republican. I would argue I'm not


The simple fact is that the hatred of Ted Cruz is rooted in the fact that he exposed all for their hypocrisy. All fell to typical 'go along to get along' thinking and proved themselves to be more attracted to the establishment while Cruz refused and proved himself to be the true outsider.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2016, 02:37:37 pm »
The disingenuous (lying) people that continue to attempt to make Cruz's birthplace an issue, when it is not, is much akin to the same despicable efforts by the idiot left that claimed that Bush was AWOL when he was merely helping Blount with his Alabama senate run.  All perfectly legal and above board, but they slimed Bush anyway.

It's the exact same despicable politics of personal destruction that the rabid left uses and I posit that that is no accident.  The same people in both instances display the same values.  Crap values, that is.

I agree that Cruz is a natural born citizen.  Having said that though, there is a great irony in the fact that many of Cruz' most ardent supporters firmly believed that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen and that two citizen parents were required as well as birth within this Country to make one a NBC.  Now those supporters including several here who claim to want Cruz because of his "constitutional conservatism" actually don't believe he is constitutionally eligible but will try to keep that secret buried forever.   You know who you are. 
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2016, 02:39:18 pm »
The draw of Cruz to his most ardent supporters including many here is his "principles" over compromise stance.  The founding of this Nation came about through the most amazing compromises imaginable from slavery to representation to an executive.  Compromise after compromise.  Not everyone would sign the draft, and it was a difficult sell.  A reading of the Anti-Federalist Papers shows the deep divisions that existed in every aspect of the new Nation...including the rights amendments.  It was not a time Ted Cruz would have fared well in.

I'm sure where consequences of not hanging together would be to hang separately Cruz would be willing to compromise. In fact, many Trump supporters slammed him in the primaries for those few times he did compromise in the senate.

By the way, wasn't the big issue for Trump people in the primaries a feckless GOP who continually sold out to Obama?

So with Cruz its been kinda a 'damned if you do & don't' with the Trump folks.



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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2016, 02:48:17 pm »
Exactly. The attack on Ted Cruz isn't about who he is but what he represents and by extension it is a direct attack on those of us who believe in what Ted Cruz represents.

No Part of DJT's GOP ‏@Mellecon 22h22 hours ago

After watching the GOP convention and the GOP fall in line, I wouldn't argue that Trump isn't Republican. I would argue I'm not


The simple fact is that the hatred of Ted Cruz is rooted in the fact that he exposed all for their hypocrisy. All fell to typical 'go along to get along' thinking and proved themselves to be more attracted to the establishment while Cruz refused and proved himself to be the true outsider.

Took the words right out of my mouth!   :beer:
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2016, 02:58:21 pm »

Canadian values making America special? How does that work?


Pure trolling.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2016, 03:09:04 pm »
I agree that Cruz is a natural born citizen.  Having said that though, there is a great irony in the fact that many of Cruz' most ardent supporters firmly believed that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen and that two citizen parents were required as well as birth within this Country to make one a NBC.  Now those supporters including several here who claim to want Cruz because of his "constitutional conservatism" actually don't believe he is constitutionally eligible but will try to keep that secret buried forever.   You know who you are.

I don't give a tinkers' damn about any of that.  It's just another distraction and deflection from the BS that is ongoing currently and an attempt to pretend that what the American voters are now faced with choosing between are NOT two extremely and exceedingly flawed candidates (and that's putting it nicely).  Nice try.  No ceegar.

Compared to Hillary and Trump, Ted Cruz would have been a breath of fresh air, among other desperately needed changes in American politics.  But the DC idiots and their savant supporters are so accustomed to breathing in the stench of dirty laundry, they apparently just couldn't wean themselves from that smell.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2016, 03:15:57 pm »
I'm sure where consequences of not hanging together would be to hang separately Cruz would be willing to compromise. In fact, many Trump supporters slammed him in the primaries for those few times he did compromise in the senate.

By the way, wasn't the big issue for Trump people in the primaries a feckless GOP who continually sold out to Obama?

So with Cruz its been kinda a 'damned if you do & don't' with the Trump folks.

Exactly!  Which is what anyone truly on the right side of politics is always inflicted with by the DC insiders and their supporters.....they are held to an impossibly higher standard which puts them in a lose-lose scenario.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2016, 03:24:10 pm »
When we all sit back every election and get mad that we never elect anyone of principle, we finally got a few candidates that have exactly that.
3 of them are Senators now.
Lee, Cruz, Paul, etc. show some principle and backbone.
Cruz sticks to those principles,and is now being called out for it, to the point that some say his career is over.
Do we really want someone who actually stands up for what they believe in, or do we all just give that lip service?

Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?

Possibly, but a damn sight weaker one.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2016, 03:30:04 pm »
I'm sure where consequences of not hanging together would be to hang separately Cruz would be willing to compromise. In fact, many Trump supporters slammed him in the primaries for those few times he did compromise in the senate.

By the way, wasn't the big issue for Trump people in the primaries a feckless GOP who continually sold out to Obama?

So with Cruz its been kinda a 'damned if you do & don't' with the Trump folks.

There's no reason to believe our founders compromised their principles. In fact its kind of foolish to believe all compromise has to do with principle.

And while we're playing the founder game, it was only a few days ago that Trumpers were screeching at delegates about the will of the voters. Not all of our nation's founding delegates voted the will of their constituents. Many of them voted for independence against the will of a largely loyalist voter base.

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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2016, 03:35:13 pm »
I'm sure where consequences of not hanging together would be to hang separately Cruz would be willing to compromise. In fact, many Trump supporters slammed him in the primaries for those few times he did compromise in the senate.


I think you are referring to the Revolutionary War not the writing of the Constitution, where if a constitution could not be agreed upon, the Confederation would have continued.
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Re: Does the Republican Party have a future without Ted Cruz?
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2016, 03:39:17 pm »
Canadian values making America special? How does that work?

Cruz should've informed Texans he was a dual Canadian-American citizen before running for Senate - not after he started running for president.

But, if Ted Cruz were to disappear from the political scene the Republican Party would do fine without him.

Compared to many statements on this forum, to single this one out as trolling is laughable. Sorry, the rhetoric goes both ways.