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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2016, 02:17:22 am »
Trump is not schizophrenic, an Axis I  diagnosis. He is a poisonous narcissist, an Axis II diagnosis. There are no medications for this disorder. It takes insight to see the one has a personality disorder.  Trump has none and will never get any since he surrounds himself with enablers and sycophants. Even is he were to seek therapy, he is 70, and doesn't have enough years left to undo his skewed world-view. He is vindictive and carries grudges for years. He is unfit for any government office.

Millions of parents have cured it in their children.

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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2016, 02:29:54 am »
Millions of parents have cured it in their children.

But you can't spank a 70-year-old man.

And even if he IS beaten with hose sections packed with sand...it won't do any good.

He, like most older people, is set in his ways.  And they're very repugnant ways.

We will soon be treated to the full inventory.

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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2016, 02:42:47 am »
But you can't spank a 70-year-old man.

And even if he IS beaten with hose sections packed with sand...it won't do any good.

He, like most older people, is set in his ways.  And they're very repugnant ways.

We will soon be treated to the full inventory.

Exactly. Trump is way too old to change. He was a handful as a child but was never curbed when it could have made a difference. Sending him to military school is indicative that his parents couldn't or wouldn't deal with him.
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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2016, 02:50:56 am »
Irrelevant to the fight before us.  Our enemy is Hillary Clinton.   :shrug:

If you truly believed what you just said, you would have never supported a candidate who spent the entire primary season (and beyond) treating the GOP as the enemy.
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« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2016, 04:19:42 am »
If you truly believed what you just said, you would have never supported a candidate who spent the entire primary season (and beyond) treating the GOP as the enemy.

The GOP primary voters have armed us with fresh fruit.


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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2016, 05:06:59 am »
Irrelevant to the fight before us.  Our enemy is Hillary Clinton.   :shrug:

Irrelevant?  Not to me, sweetie.  Extremely relevant.

Hillary is corrupt and evil but fairly sane.

Trump is corrupt and evil and totally insane.
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« Reply #81 on: July 25, 2016, 01:54:04 pm »
Irrelevant?  Not to me, sweetie.  Extremely relevant.

Hillary is corrupt and evil but fairly sane.

Trump is corrupt and evil and totally insane.

The idiots (on both sides) have left decent folks (ie people that still have a conscience TO vote) with NO CHOICE this election year.  I have to think there is some bigger movement and power behind all of this orchestration.  And whoever or whatever that is....

they are winning.
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« Reply #82 on: July 25, 2016, 02:02:05 pm »
Agree completely with EMJAY...........Hillary is 100% corrupt but DT is so unhinged that to have him with the power to launch nukes is not something I could comfortably live with.  He has already threatened to launch nukes at ISIS.   He is demented and the fact that so many don't seem to mind is a big part of our problem.

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« Reply #83 on: July 25, 2016, 02:21:23 pm »
I have a harder time understanding how so many people would willingly and enthusiastically vote for that ass.

A hoodwinked population endangers all of us.  Not the first time it's happened in history.

Somewhere or another it has been called 'Running to their prophets with itching ears...'   **nononono* :shrug: :thud:

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« Reply #84 on: July 25, 2016, 02:43:42 pm »
Agree completely with EMJAY...........Hillary is 100% corrupt but DT is so unhinged that to have him with the power to launch nukes is not something I could comfortably live with.  He has already threatened to launch nukes at ISIS.   He is demented and the fact that so many don't seem to mind is a big part of our problem.

And don't forget, he's also for murdering the families of terrorists.  Considering that ....in a Trump presidency, due to his already stated policies, and that some would end up considering Trump to be a terrorist, I'm wondering how he would like that same perception, standard and tactic directed at himself. 
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« Reply #85 on: July 25, 2016, 03:42:03 pm »
I have a harder time understanding how so many people would willingly and enthusiastically vote for that ass.

A hoodwinked population endangers all of us.  Not the first time it's happened in history.

No.  Jefferson's comments about how "ignorant and free" at the same time, being impossible...come to mind.

Two ways we got here:

--Leftist takeover of the government schools - and of government oversight bodies that regulate even non-government and parochial schools.  The schools indoctrinate on deviant sex; on hatred of whites; they ignore critical sections of American and human history and focus on imagined slights on non-white persons.

--Heavy, widespread POT use - and its new social acceptability.  This is the Counterculture; rising, challenging and finally overtaking and assaulting the previously-dominant Mainstream Culture.  It is now socially approved to smoke marijuana, a mild hallucinogen...even in areas where its illegality is enforced.

A large percentage of the population are now impaired in thinking and reasoning.  The effects of pot last for weeks; and few users use only once or less than one time a month.  Essentially, this impairment is PERMANENT - unlike alcohol intoxication, which remains a few hours and then passes.

These two factors, have given us a disturbed, confused population unable to critically think and untrained in how; and out of it comes this lunatic, God the Donald.

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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2016, 03:53:14 pm »
@Just_Victor ~ I'm not qualified to comment on all of what @Victoria33 mentioned, but agree with the following:

Personal story, if you will: our daughter had a HS water polo coach who barely slept, and he was unbearable. The team was comprised of enough good players to win most matches with proper coaching. Our daughter was told [by a competing coach] she and another were scholarship material. Anyway, the coach would allow the girls to get to a lead [of one goal or two], and then during the last couple of minutes, he would take out a starter and put in a bench player [one of the overweight girls who was slow because of her lack of fitness]. The girls would be screaming to try to win [the parents were aghast!], but could not hold on [against an ultra-competitive team] and would lose. The team would sit on the bleachers after the game with tears running down their faces while the coach would say, "You just didn't play hard enough."

As time went on, this coach was no longer employed by the school, and the assistant coach [wrote me an email and] eventually admitted to me the coach-who-didn't-sleep-at-night told him he threw the games, just because he wanted to see how hard the [out-of-shape] girls on the bench would fight in a stressful match. Not enough sleep impairs common sense thinking, and makes one cruel to boot.

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I think sleep deprivation affects different people differently, but here goes.

In my work, I have had occasion to (once) work an entire week with 8 hours of sleep. Not eight hours of sleep a night, but eight hours total sleep for the week. I knew I was not going to get much sleep, the situation was unavoidable, and decided to make note of my reaction to the inevitable sleep deprivation. I was living on the drilling location, the only geologist present, and no other was on the way. At any time in a day I could be called on for steering decisions (an early Bakken Horizontal well, one of the first in the latest boom), and worked a scheduled 12 hour day monitoring gas detection equipment and describing drill samples.
First I noted the expected physical fatigue and loss of mental sharpness. Irritability increased for a while, then tapered off as I resigned myself to not getting meaningful sleep.
Sleep did become an obsession for a while, but the obsession part and much of the irritability is optional, brought about by focusing on the sleep I wasn't getting instead of the tasks at hand. Deciding you are not going to get that sleep, do not have to have that sleep, and realizing your performance will be degraded while figuring out how to keep that from affecting the final result is key to functioning at all, but being resigned to not getting the sleep reduces irritability considerably. It is what it is.
 After a couple of days of this, performance degraded.
Calculations had to be checked twice, and in fact before long I was double checking pretty much everything. Decisions came more slowly, and indecision increased as longer trains of thought became progressively more difficult. The tendency to have difficulty relating logical processes to others was noted first, and then the degraded ability to perform those processes. With that came the tendency to offer solutions without explanation, and as this was a prototype operation, that was not optimal performance.
However, prior explanations of analogous situations during this project often provided logical examples which could be referred to, and this helped considerably.
I would say the ability to get anything done was down by as much as 50%, partly due ti double checking everything and indecision brought on by difficulty focusing on more complex tasks. A 'power nap' of as little as 15 minutes would make a significant difference, for a while.
Some parts of the job had been reduced by years of experience and repetition of the process to nearly automatic: there was already an existing mental template for describing drill cuttings, for instance, and these tasks presented the least difficulty.
This degraded level of performance plateaued, but any opportunity to catch a nap, no matter how short, was used. I found myself taking 'micro-nods', involuntary dozing for no more than a few seconds. These would continue off and on for an hour or two until some necessary level had been obtained, and then there would be periods of continuing on without such incidents. I avoided physically hazardous situations at that point, for my safety and the safety of others.  I 'nodded off' while remaining standing on a few occasions, two of which were observed by others. When those involuntary nap episodes happened, or other distractions, I had to reorient afterwards as to what had been done before proceeding (everything was documented, that was part of the job), which became a significant part of the inefficiency the lack of sleep imposed.
The work involved the microscopic examination of geological samples, and I awoke a couple of times at the microscope, with the eye cups around the lenses supporting my head, having dozed off for a couple of minutes.
Short term memory suffered notably, while long term memory was intact although I was often left groping for words. To compensate for the former, I started writing everything down so I had a record.
By the end of that week, I was hearing sounds, including voices or music which had no apparent source, and could 'call up' songs like listening to a MP3 player. Admittedly, the repertoire was limited, and understanding there was no one in the room or with that voice present nor any radio or source for the music enabled me to write the effect off to lack of sleep.
Another side effect was a degree of paranoia. In my case, malfunctioning mechanical or other devices were credited with human attributes, as in: "That switch doesn't like me", just a short stroke from 'That switch is out to get me', and not too far from the desire to "get the switch first, before it messes with me again". Fascinating. Recognizing on a intellectual level that that switch was just a thing, devoid of harboring feelings of malice or caring one way or another, was important, but the tendency was noted.
I fully and successfully resisted applying that line of thought to humans, as we were all working toward the same goal, but can see where in different circumstances someone sleep-deprived might well become suspicious of the actions and motives of others, especially people they might have a reason to distrust or suspect of malice in the first place (like a meth head with police, for instance, where agitation as an effect of the drug coupled with paranoia from lack of sleep could have undesirable results for both).
Another strange manifestation of sleep deprivation was the tendency to make meaningless adjustments in the position of equipment or supplies, moving something a few inches, then moving it back shortly afterward, without any advantage to the movement either way.
At the end of the week, the job done under what thankfully proved to be unique circumstances, I slept for 24 hours straight, and took about a week to get back up to normal performance levels.

I believe a person can perform some tasks with little sleep for extended periods, in certain circumstances where necessary functions are well enough ingrained as to be pretty much automatic, and paranoia can be a plus (line troops), with the proper mental safeguards against making basic mistakes.

That does not include interacting with a lot of people under novel circumstances, nor making decisions not based on cut and dried parameters which can be established beforehand (mechanical or other quantifiable limits). The probability of errors in judgement in complex situations, especially the synthesis of solutions to novel crises is severely degraded, and that effect may be further enhanced by irrational feelings toward persons or equipment. Seeing or hearing things which are not present, or attribution of situations to malice on the part of others or inanimate objects is a clear risk.
At some point, the brain will rest, even for short moments, and acquire a minimum level of that rest whether the person desires that or not. The immediate effect of that involuntary rest is performance degradation, but can lead to missing critical data needed to make informed decisions. In my case, everything was recorded and could be reviewed, but in many instances, that would not be the case.

Paying attention to the effects was a bit like making lemonade out of lemons. The situation was not one which would have ordinarily been intentional, and I only took advantage of an opportunity to learn about the effects of a situation I would not ordinarily have been in. My decisions were pretty cut and dried, despite some broad aspects of the situation being new and different for almost everyone involved. I cannot imagine dealing with the scope and variety of decisions which would be necessary as POTUS under similar circumstance.
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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #87 on: July 25, 2016, 04:00:27 pm »
To naive me, the sequence of congratulating Mr. Trump on being the party's nominee followed by the affirmation that he wanted to see the principles of that party he was representing prevail in November was just about as clear a statement of support as anyone could expect.  Granted, being a native Texan, I sometime have difficulty understanding the motivation of anyone north of the Red River, but to take offense at this statement is more than bizarre.
Trump's whole schtick is about image. If he can present the image that somehow Cruz injected a line into the speech to offend him, he relies on the inherent laziness of the American public (who have commentators after every speech to tell them what was said)  to not do the digging to find out exactly WHAT was so 'offensive'. It's a nothingburger with a side of lies, served up as Trump Steak, but the fawning sycophants will believe what he says without even checking it out..
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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #88 on: July 25, 2016, 04:01:53 pm »
I saw this book at the book store.

The book was titled "Great Moments in Republican Party Unity" by Donald J. Trump, said no one ever.

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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2016, 04:06:46 pm »
Great post austingirl!

yuuuuuge scam on GOP

All of his kids speaking of what a great guy he is.  Great must be in the eye of the beholder because he is looking vindictive and hateful.
It is amazing how a little trust fund, a winery, or such can distort perceptions, but aside from that, he is their father. I would expect some family loyalty and a united front in this situation from all but the most rifted families.
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« Reply #90 on: July 25, 2016, 04:08:25 pm »
Featuring his children so prominently is disturbing. He is trying to set up a political dynasty like the Kennedys and Bushes, the last thing we need. It is ridiculous how his supporters are calling for the spawn to be put in positions of power or to run for office. Of course Hitlery will be showcasing Chelsea next week. Can't stand it from either wing of the Uniparty.
Precisely. These people are not Royalty, and their is no line of succession to be had in that sense.
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« Reply #91 on: July 25, 2016, 04:28:28 pm »
I think he doesn't sleep because he can't due to mania.  Somebody needs to seriously tranq him, but it doesn't appear that anybody has the courage to do so.  I am truly afraid of this man becoming POTUS. 

Lord knows that I despise Hillary and fear what she will do to this country, but I fear a Trump presidency more.

How does the constitution deal with a deranged POTUS who needs to be in a laced up white jacket?
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« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2016, 04:31:47 pm »
How does the constitution deal with a deranged POTUS who needs to be in a laced up white jacket?
When the POTUS is no longer able to carry out the functions of his office, the Vice President steps in. The trick is finding someone who can declare them unable to continue, and who won't be promptly stood against a wall and shot.
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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2016, 04:33:04 pm »
Do any of his ardent supporters worry that he has already suggested he would send nukes into the middle east?
His rantings may well amuse some, but those of us with a modicum of intelligence are not amused.

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« Reply #94 on: July 25, 2016, 04:45:20 pm »
Do any of his ardent supporters worry that he has already suggested he would send nukes into the middle east?
His rantings may well amuse some, but those of us with a modicum of intelligence are not amused.
I think you answered your own question, @Rivergirl
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Re: You have to read Trump’s bananas attack on Ted Cruz for yourself
« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2016, 05:02:02 pm »


And look where we are, an entitlement culture where grown ups are falling off cliffs and walking into traffic to catch imaginary Pokemon

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« Reply #96 on: July 25, 2016, 05:36:43 pm »
Irrelevant to the fight before us.  Our enemy is Hillary Clinton.   :shrug:
And I'm disgusted that for the first time ever I have no one that I can vote for. In the past I have had candidates that weren't anywhere near my first choice, but I could still pull the lever. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would be in this position especially since the detestable Hillary Clinton is running.
It is not a whimsical decision to refuse to back Trump. I have weighed all the ramifications and still can't do it. I probably could have justified any of the other original GOP candidates, but not him.
I felt very disappointed on election night 8 years ago and 4 years ago. I feel that way today without even knowing who will win.
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« Reply #97 on: July 25, 2016, 05:43:29 pm »
And I'm disgusted that for the first time ever I have no one that I can vote for. In the past I have had candidates that weren't anywhere near my first choice, but I could still pull the lever. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would be in this position especially since the detestable Hillary Clinton is running.
It is not a whimsical decision to refuse to back Trump. I have weighed all the ramifications and still can't do it. I probably could have justified any of the other original GOP candidates, but not him.
I felt very disappointed on election night 8 years ago and 4 years ago. I feel that way today without even knowing who will win.

I agree.   Here is the ONLY upside for me.   I live in Oklahoma.  There is NO WAY that this state will vote for Hillary.   We are not even close to being a swing state.   Vote your conscience, for freedom, and for the constitution.   Voting my conscience means I am going to leave the president choice empty and vote the down ticket..... knowing my presidential vote will not make a difference either way.   Vote your conscience.
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« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2016, 05:51:26 pm »
etcb, not only will harambe beat cruz, but he will also soundly defeat fauxinjun girl too.

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« Reply #99 on: July 25, 2016, 05:53:03 pm »
I agree.   Here is the ONLY upside for me.   I live in Oklahoma.  There is NO WAY that this state will vote for Hillary.   We are not even close to being a swing state.   Vote your conscience, for freedom, and for the constitution.   Voting my conscience means I am going to leave the president choice empty and vote the down ticket..... knowing my presidential vote will not make a difference either way.   Vote your conscience.
Being from Kansas, the good news is Hillary will not win the state. The bad news is Trump will. I thought long and hard about it and came to the conclusion that I would make the same decision if I lived in a swing state.
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