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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #675 on: July 22, 2016, 04:02:41 am »
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Ivanka says her dad is for gender wage policies & universal childcare and gets cheered butTed cruz is booed for supporting the constitution?

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #676 on: July 22, 2016, 04:03:21 am »
That statement is pure nonsense but what is demanded by this mob.  Right???

Mob?  According to the Trump Militants, we who oppose your prince are a tiny, fringe, irrelevant and shrinking group of malcontents.

Don't you have Hillary to aim your ire against?

Of course not.  You people are too busy booing the Constitution and applauding big government statism and the Liberal Democrat/Homo agenda.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #677 on: July 22, 2016, 04:04:07 am »
Kindly quit accusing Mr. Trump . . . without any evidence whatever. Do you ever even listen to yourself?

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #678 on: July 22, 2016, 04:04:16 am »
Are you factoring in all of the Cruz conservatives that the Trump Twits pissed off (yet again) last nite....

myself included?

Nearly 200 new Cruz supporting followers on twitter today. :patriot:

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #679 on: July 22, 2016, 04:04:47 am »
Get out of your echo chamber.

Funniest post of the night coming from all the Open Live Convention thread  :silly: :silly: :silly:

That one rated three Sillies!

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #680 on: July 22, 2016, 04:04:57 am »
OMG to be lectured by someone a part of the lynch mob about critical thinking is enough to boggle he mind.  I have seen no evidence of critical thinking on well over 100 posts in the lynch mob alternate thread.  I see why it was created to keep a sane area for people who are really interested in listening and evaluation.

It sure doesn't happen here.

So put me on your ignore list, it would be an honor.

Your calling principled conservatives a "lynch mob" has been reported.
Principles matter. Words matter.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #681 on: July 22, 2016, 04:05:09 am »
Kindly quit accusing Mr. Trump of mob ties without any evidence whatever.

According to your fellow acolytes, having mob ties is how a great businessman does business in places like NYC.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #682 on: July 22, 2016, 04:07:33 am »
Roughly 700 posts here from 50-60 posters and 30-plus guests...

...versus 250 posts from about 8-12 posters and less than ten guests.

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We winz!
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #683 on: July 22, 2016, 04:07:35 am »
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Ivanka says her dad is for gender wage policies & universal childcare and gets cheered butTed cruz is booed for supporting the constitution?

Astounding, isn't it?
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #684 on: July 22, 2016, 04:07:46 am »
Kindly quit accusing Mr. Trump of mob ties without any evidence whatever. Do you ever even listen to yourself?

lol.

In 1991 he kicked women and blacks out of his NJ casino for a mob-boss, Robert LiButti, who was actually banned from casinos. Trump complied with his every wish. Trump was fined $200,000 for this. It's public record. That mob boss was such good "friends" with Trump that his childs birthday party was held on Trump's yacht.

The stories are easy to find online.

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However, LiButti’s daughter Edith Creamer has accused Trump of lying about the extent of his relationship with her late father. It was a relationship that, according to Creamer, involved LiButti gambling millions of dollars at one of Trump’s privately owned casinos, as well as using his helicopter to fly to Atlantic City and his private yacht to party. The helicopter claims are easily corroborated by a police recording from 1990 during which LiButti describes a conversation with Trump on a helicopter.

Is government documents showing his company being fined enough evidence??


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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #685 on: July 22, 2016, 04:08:00 am »
Nearly 200 new Cruz supporting followers on twitter today. :patriot:

Good catch!  Thanks!   :patriot:
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #686 on: July 22, 2016, 04:08:25 am »
Mob?  According to the Trump Militants, we who oppose your prince are a tiny, fringe, irrelevant and shrinking group of malcontents.

Don't you have Hillary to aim your ire against?

Of course not.  You people are too busy booing the Constitution and applauding big government statism and the Liberal Democrat/Homo agenda.

Nailed it!
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #687 on: July 22, 2016, 04:09:45 am »
Is Trump done talking yet?
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #688 on: July 22, 2016, 04:10:10 am »
Get out of your echo chamber.

Ah, that was really lame.

I am a very happy camper tonight but I think the gang here on this site don't understand the concept of being happy.

Now as to the comment above to quit referring to this group as a mob.  Here's the definition I just got of the internet about mom


Full Definition of mob
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:  a large or disorderly crowd; especially :  one bent on riotous or destructive action
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:  the lower classes of a community :  masses, rabble
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chiefly Australian :  a flock, drove, or herd of animals
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:  a criminal set :  gang; especially often capitalized :  mafia 1
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chiefly British :  a group of people :  crowd


Seems to me that #1 at least fit really well.  Just a thought.



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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #690 on: July 22, 2016, 04:10:42 am »
OMG to be lectured by someone a part of the lynch mob about critical thinking is enough to boggle he mind.  I have seen no evidence of critical thinking on well over 100 posts in the lynch mob alternate thread. 

Listen bub,  it is precisely the Trump Militants all over the net and social media who are threatening to shoot, to hang and to kill Cruz supporters and those of us who refuse to vote for Trump while gleefully fantasizing roaming the countryside stringing up NeverTrumps for treason.

If there is a lynch mob to be found, it's in the midst of a party that boos the mention of defending the Constitution and heralds a demagogue as their prince.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #691 on: July 22, 2016, 04:11:03 am »
OMG to be lectured by someone a part of the lynch mob about critical thinking is enough to boggle he mind.  I have seen no evidence of critical thinking on well over 100 posts in the lynch mob alternate thread.  I see why it was created to keep a sane area for people who are really interested in listening and evaluation.

It sure doesn't happen here.

So put me on your ignore list, it would be an honor.

Why are you so unhappy? Your guy won!
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #692 on: July 22, 2016, 04:11:18 am »
Ah, that was really lame.

I am a very happy camper tonight but I think the gang here on this site don't understand the concept of being happy.

Now as to the comment above to quit referring to this group as a mob.  Here's the definition I just got of the internet about mom


Full Definition of mob
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:  a large or disorderly crowd; especially :  one bent on riotous or destructive action
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:  the lower classes of a community :  masses, rabble
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chiefly Australian :  a flock, drove, or herd of animals
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:  a criminal set :  gang; especially often capitalized :  mafia 1
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chiefly British :  a group of people :  crowd


Seems to me that #1 at least fit really well.  Just a thought.

Like I said, step out of your echo chamber.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #693 on: July 22, 2016, 04:11:30 am »
Is Trump done talking yet?

He has but Guiliani, Newt, Hannity and the other sycophants are still raving about the big YUUGE government promised by Trump. All the pundits are now true believers.
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #695 on: July 22, 2016, 04:13:05 am »
Full Definition of mob
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You mean, like the bunch that booed Ted Cruz last night?
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #696 on: July 22, 2016, 04:14:09 am »
He has but Guiliani, Newt, Hannity and the other sycophants are still raving about the big YUUGE government promised by Trump. All the pundits are now true believers.

Oh good.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #697 on: July 22, 2016, 04:14:18 am »
Roughly 700 posts here from 50-60 posters and 30-plus guests...

...versus 250 posts from about 8-12 posters and less than ten guests.

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We winz!

And let's not forget.....the real echo chamber censors, silences and deletes anyone's post that they disagree with.  Which is probably what causes the echo to be deafening.  And which is why I avoid that place like the plague.   
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #698 on: July 22, 2016, 04:14:48 am »
        STU BURGUIERE Verified account @WorldOfStu     Here’s my ‘holy crap I was wrong about @realDonaldTrump and his chances’  post http://ow.ly/gdBF302uoGZ
 Stu BurguiereMay 3 · Congratulations to Donald Trump and his supporters.  As a sports fan, viewing it only through the lens of an unlikely victory, I'm completely amazed he was able to pull this off.  I'm not enough of a historian to make such pronouncements, but this might be the most amazing political achievement in history. 
 I certainly wasn't alone in thinking he had zero chance to win the nomination, but that doesn't make me less wrong.  I mean - really freaking wrong.  I seriously believed he had no chance. None.
 In 2004, I remember Howard Dean having that gigantic lead before Iowa and then watching it disappear. I remember taking the lesson from that campaign that literally anything can happen in politics, and that I shouldn't let myself make pronouncements without qualifying levels of probability assigned to them.  Oops.
 The most common question that I will be answering over the next 6 months will be:
 "Now, that Cruz is out, will you support Donald Trump?"
 My answer is this: 
 I'm insulted that you would even ask. 
 Absolutely, unequivocally, without a millisecond of hesitation:
 Hell. No.
 Never.
 I am completely ‪#‎NeverTrump‬, as I have been since Erick Erickson made me aware of the term.
 If you think that I would vote for a man, who I believe would be horrible for the Constitution, the country, and the people who live here-- then you think very little of me.  I can understand that, and probably deserve it in many ways, but not this one. 
 I could list the seventy-five zillion reasons that I would never vote for Donald Trump, but I've been listing them for a year.  I've made my argument, I've lost, and I can sleep at night knowing that I never bent my principles despite the fact it would have been easier to do so.
 While I know this post is longer than anyone wants to read, let me address your specific questions and points in a fancy Q&A format:
 Q: Do you think Cruz should have dropped out?
 A:  Not especially.  While every conceivable path under normal circumstances has been erased after Indiana, I would have preferred that Cruz wind down campaigning and stick around in case Trump actually does start shooting people on 5th Avenue. 
 Q: Are you proud of yourself for supporting Cruz?
 A: Well, I'm proud of Cruz.  And while I wish it ended differently, I'm proud of the campaign he ran.  Was it perfect?  Obviously not.  But, everyone listing all the things he should have done differently should probably bring that list to the 15 other candidates he defeated.  I've said this many times, but despite the fact that I wanted him to win, I honestly never believed he would get this far. I just figured it would have been some establishment guy who wound up beating him.  Which in some ways, did come true after all.
 Q: HAhHAHAAAHAHAAHA YOUR GUY LOST HAHAHAHA
 A: That's not a question.  But, yes.  He did.  Here's a little secret though... my guy always loses.  If my guys were winning, our country wouldn't be as screwed up as it is.
 Q: So, who are you going to vote for?  Hillary?
 A: No.  You can also call me ‪#‎NeverHillary‬. I don't know who I will vote for at this moment.  I will now enter a lengthy research period to find a third party candidate.  Maybe a high profile person will enter the race, but more than likely I will vote for someone who has  little to no chance of winning.  That does not bother me at all.  My vote is very personal, and I don't put my name on people so that I feel like a winner.  I've seen myself without a shirt on.  I never feel like a winner. 
 Q: What does this mean for the party?
 A:  If this party would nominate someone like this, I want nothing to do with it.  Whatever idea I had been holding on to that the Republican party had any value, took its last pathetic breath in Indiana.  RIP. I'll still vote for individuals that I believe in that happen to be running with the albatross of an (R) after their name, but my default position is now Libertarian.  I get it. I know when I'm not wanted.
 Q:  What happens on the show?
 A:  Well, the radio show is ultimately Glenn's show, and he'll make those calls.  What I do know is that we will not suddenly come around to thinking that Trump is a good option.  He will not change his principles and start supporting an authoritarian just because he won a primary. 
 At the same time, there is little value in continuing the constant criticism of Trump.   You know where we stand.  We don't exist to annoy you (surprisingly).  Honestly, I'm bored with telling you how much Donald Trump sucks.  He does. A lot.  And that's what a primary is for.  We've had a year to argue about who is a better option for the future of this country. 
 Donald won.  Good for him.  (Bad for us.)
 We'll still cover the news, and be honest about it.  But, the focus will likely shift to places where a difference can be made- in Congress and on certain local races. 
 Q: What did you drink tonight?
 A: Moscow Mule(s).  Seems fitting.
 Q: Did this seriously happen?
 A:  Yes.  America has decided it wants to choose between Hillary Clinton and a Hillary Clinton donor. 
 Q: Are you done?
 A: One more.
 Q: What did you learn from all of this?
 A:  Can I skip this one?
 Q:  No.
 A:  Ok. Fine.  In every mediocre political drama, the candidate that loses steps up and says something to the effect of "We fought hard. And it wasn't our time.  But, I have supreme faith in the American people to make the right decision."   
 I don't.  Not anymore.
 Even with the skeptical eye that I bring to the party, I still overestimated the American people's capacity to care about the Constitution and policy.  The thought that this guy has been able to win over so many people, is completely perplexing to me. It seems impossible to me that anyone could take him seriously. 
 After 2008 and 2012, I realized that celebrity and hype could win over the left.  It is with complete displeasure that I have realized that the right is susceptible to the exact same thing. 
 I've been told that what I need to understand is that people are mad.  They're not thinking about policy or the Constitution-- they're just angry.  That's what this is about.
 Respectfully, that is not something that I need to understand.  That is something you need to cure.  Making poor decisions out of anger is not an instinct that I intend to coddle. 
 I am not your safe space.
 The bottom line is that I wish this had turned out differently. 
 But, there's always vodka.  Created for moments just like this.
 Did I say Congratulations to Donald Trump yet?

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #699 on: July 22, 2016, 04:15:00 am »
Listen bub,  it is precisely the Trump Militants all over the net and social media who are threatening to shoot, to hang and to kill Cruz supporters and those of us who refuse to vote for Trump while gleefully fantasizing roaming the countryside stringing up NeverTrumps for treason.

If there is a lynch mob to be found, it's in the midst of a party that boos the mention of defending the Constitution and heralds a demagogue as their prince.

Bub, you have me confused with one of your pals here.

Don't give me the crap about some crazies making posts on twitter etc.  You can find those crazies in all factions.

Follow one of your other posters here and try a little critical thinking.

Just a thought that might benefit you.