Donald Trump Sets Conditions for Defending NATO Allies Against Attack

[cuky]

Donald Trump Sets Conditions for Defending NATO Allies Against Attack

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html?_r=0

Donald J. Trump, on the eve of accepting the Republican nomination for president, said Wednesday that if he were elected, he would not pressure Turkey or other authoritarian allies about conducting purges of their political adversaries or cracking down on civil liberties. The United States, he said, has to “fix our own mess” before trying to alter the behavior of other nations.

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He even called into question whether, as president, he would automatically extend the security guarantees that give the 28 members of NATO the assurance that the full force of the United States military has their back.

For example, asked about Russia’s threatening activities that have unnerved the small Baltic States that are the most recent entrants into NATO, Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.”

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Mr. Trump repeatedly defined American global interests almost purely in economic terms. Its roles as a peacekeeper, as a provider of a nuclear deterrent against adversaries like North Korea, as an advocate of human rights and as a guarantor of allies’ borders were each quickly reduced to questions of economic benefit to the United States.

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Asked if Mr. Erdogan was exploiting the coup attempt to purge his political enemies, Mr. Trump did not call for the Turkish leader to observe the rule of law, or Western standards of justice. “When the world sees how bad the United States is and we start talking about civil liberties, I don’t think we are a very good messenger,” he said

[geronl]

Trump loves him some autocratic purges.

[RedHead]

If Trump is going to make Article V of the NATO charter conditional then the U.S. should just withdraw from the alliance altogether.

[Mechanicos]

So what. This is not new. They have to make it fair with us. This is a part of the platform and has been since day one. USA is not going to be the Sugar Daddy for countries that give us the finger do not pull their own wight instead putting the burden on US taxpayers.

This is a good thing and is part of the GOP Party Platform now.

Oh, and its noted the Democrat source for the article and the spin on it is pro-Hillary.

[Neverdul]

History teaches us that weakness arouses evil. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama’s foreign policy of leading from behind; moving red lines; feigning reset with Russia; and the rise, rule, and reign of ISIS are a testament of this truth of history. We cannot have four more years apologizing to our enemies and abandoning our friends. America needs to be strong for the world to be safe and on the world stage Donald Trump will lead from strength. Donald Trump will rebuild our military and stand with our allies - Mike Pence 7/20/2016

 

[Neverdul]

Mr. Trump had nothing but praise for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the country’s increasingly authoritarian but democratically elected leader. “I give great credit to him for being able to turn that around,” Mr. Trump said of the coup attempt on Friday night. “Some people say that it was staged, you know that,” he said. “I don’t think so.”

Asked if Mr. Erdogan was exploiting the coup attempt to purge his political enemies, Mr. Trump did not call for the Turkish leader to observe the rule of law, or Western standards of justice. “When the world sees how bad the United States is and we start talking about civil liberties, I don’t think we are a very good messenger,” he said.

So Trump is praising, yet again another authoritarian dictator and an Islamist to boot – this time Erdogan who according to Trump is to be given credit for “turning it around” and the United States is “bad” on “civil liberties” so we shouldn’t criticize other nations like Turkey for rounding up and jailing political opponents and members of the press.




God help us.

[Mechanicos]

So Trump is praising, yet again another authoritarian dictator and an Islamist to boot – this time Erdogan who according to Trump is to be given credit for “turning it around” and the United States is “bad” on “civil liberties” so we shouldn’t criticize other nations like Turkey for rounding up and jailing political opponents and members of the press.




God help us.

The problem is the only one seeing what he said as praise is people who see only what they want to see. Credit for defending against a coop is not praise. Its called a factual observation. Saying we have our own dirty laundry and should not be hypocrites is also a factual observation. Praise would be saying he approved of it. That did not happen here just like 99% of the bogus crap the Anti-GOP Nominee people push.

[kevindavis007]

So Trump is praising, yet again another authoritarian dictator and an Islamist to boot – this time Erdogan who according to Trump is to be given credit for “turning it around” and the United States is “bad” on “civil liberties” so we shouldn’t criticize other nations like Turkey for rounding up and jailing political opponents and members of the press.




God help us.

The main reason why we didn't have WWIII was due to a strong US presence in the world..

[Neverdul]

The problem is the only one seeing what he said as praise is people who see only what they want to see. Credit for defending against a coop is not praise. Its (sp. “it’s”) called a factual observation. Saying we have our own dirty laundry and should not be hypocrites is also a factual observation. Praise would be saying he approved of it. That did not happen here just like 99% of the bogus crap the Anti-GOP Nominee people push.

Oh Mech.

Is there nothing that Trump could say or do that would open your eyes? I truly believe that if Trump shot someone in cold blood on 5th Avenue, that you would find a way to defend it.

Giving Erdogan “credit” for defending against a coop, a coop that was a reaction against his increasing authoritarian rule and pushing Turkey further toward Islamist rule, no matter how much you want to spin it, it is praise. It is praise because it came with no condemnation of Erdogan’s actions afterward:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,216780.msg978249/topicseen.html#msg978249

As for “our own dirty laundry and should not be hypocrites is also a factual observation” – why does that sound more like an Obama or Hillary Clinton talking point than what I would or “should” expect from the candidate of the GOP?

I would add that while Hillary Clinton said: “We should all urge calm and respect for laws, institutions and basic human rights and freedoms – and support for the democratically elected civilian government.  All parties should work to avoid further violence and bloodshed, and the safety of American citizens and diplomatic missions must be ensured.”, Trump was implying that we shouldn’t criticize Erdogan at all because somehow the US is just as bad (as Turkey under Erdogan?) on civil rights issues.

Really?

Trump seems to like authoritarian dictatorships.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-favorite-dictators-in-reviled-tyrants-gop-nominee-finds-traits-to-praise/2016/07/06/8debf792-4385-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html

[sinkspur]

It's official:  Hillary Clinton is running against Vladimir Putin

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,216785.0.html

[RedHead]

This is a good thing and is part of the GOP Party Platform now.

I know that no trade pacts is part of the platform but I missed the part where they said no alliances.

Oh, and its noted the Democrat source for the article and the spin on it is pro-Hillary.

And the spin on your post is pure pro-Trump.  What's the difference where bias is concerned?

[catfish1957]

So what. This is not new. They have to make it fair with us. This is a part of the platform and has been since day one. USA is not going to be the Sugar Daddy for countries that give us the finger do not pull their own wight instead putting the burden on US taxpayers.

This is a good thing and is part of the GOP Party Platform now.

Oh, and its noted the Democrat source for the article and the spin on it is pro-Hillary.

I just can't wait to see Pence spin this disaster.   Trump is the ultimate idiot.

[Mechanicos]

Oh Mech.

Is there nothing that Trump could say or do that would open your eyes? I truly believe that if Trump shot someone in cold blood on 5th Avenue, that you would find a way to defend it.

Giving Erdogan “credit” for defending against a coop, a coop that was a reaction against his increasing authoritarian rule and pushing Turkey further toward Islamist rule, no matter how much you want to spin it, it is praise. It is praise because it came with no condemnation of Erdogan’s actions afterward:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,216780.msg978249/topicseen.html#msg978249

As for “our own dirty laundry and should not be hypocrites is also a factual observation” – why does that sound more like an Obama or Hillary Clinton talking point than what I would or “should” expect from the candidate of the GOP?

I would add that while Hillary Clinton said: “We should all urge calm and respect for laws, institutions and basic human rights and freedoms – and support for the democratically elected civilian government.  All parties should work to avoid further violence and bloodshed, and the safety of American citizens and diplomatic missions must be ensured.”, Trump was implying that we shouldn’t criticize Erdogan at all because somehow the US is just as bad (as Turkey under Erdogan?) on civil rights issues.

Really?

Trump seems to like authoritarian dictatorships.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-favorite-dictators-in-reviled-tyrants-gop-nominee-finds-traits-to-praise/2016/07/06/8debf792-4385-11e6-bc99-7d269f8719b1_story.html

When you have to use Hilary propaganda to support your arguments you already lost this argument.

[Mechanicos]

I just can't wait to see Pence spin this disaster.   Trump is the ultimate idiot.

There are only 2 camps who claim its a disaster; The Hilary one which has an agenda of defeating Trump. And the Open Borders crowd that has an agenda of causing Trump to lose. The fact is there were not enough real #neverTrumps in the Primary or at the Convention (single digits other then the 10% on the Rules Committee) to have any significant effect but for media pumping them up to help Hilary.

How does your position here help the GOP to turn out in November? Consider, Moderates who are not news junkies see the #neverTrumps attacking the GOP and its top people. That tells them to stay home as it will not matter. This will hurt down ticket. Do you care?

[catfish1957]

There are only 2 camps who claim its a disaster; The Hilary one which has an agenda of defeating Trump. And the Open Borders crowd that has an agenda of causing Trump to lose. The fact is there were not enough real #neverTrumps in the Primary or at the Convention (single digits other then the 10% on the Rules Committee) to have any significant effect but for media pumping them up to help Hilary.

How does your position here help the GOP to turn out in November? Consider, Moderates who are not news junkies see the #neverTrumps attacking the GOP and its top people. That tells them to stay home as it will not matter. This will hurt down ticket. Do you care?

So sending mixed signals to our European NATO allies, that we may throw them under the bus is a GOP and conservative value?  HA HA HA.

All your answers deflect to Hitlery.  Is that the only arrow in your quill?

[txradioguy]

Sorry Donny YOU don't set the conditions...Article 5 of the NATO Charter sets those conditions. 

[RedHead]

This from the man moron who would lead the free world. 

Fixed it for you.

[RedHead]

I just can't wait to see Pence spin this disaster.   Trump is the ultimate idiot.

Pence said in his speech that the U.S. would stand by it's friends.  He didn't say the U.S. would stand by it's friends if the price was right.  That's Trump's position.

[catfish1957]

Pence said in his speech that the U.S. would stand by it's friends.  He didn't say the U.S. would stand by it's friends if the price was right.  That's Trump's position.

That's reasonable.  Are Pence and Trump going to run a parallel campaigns on contradictory positions on issues till November?