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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/12/paterno-may-have-known-sandusky-abuse-in-1976-unsealed-testimony-suggests.html


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Newly unsealed documents reveal that disgraced former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno may have known about then-assistant coach Jerry Sandusky’s sexual abuse of children as early as 1976, but didn’t do anything about it so he could focus on his team.

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“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?’” John Doe 150’s lawyer asked, according to court documents.

John Doe 150 replied: “Specifically. Yes... I was shocked, disappointed, offended. I was insulted... I said, ‘Is that all you’re going to do? You’re not going to do anything else?’”

Paterno then allegedly walked away.

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The End Of Joe Pa

MARC STERNE


4:14 PM 07/13/2016


It’s a hard thing to see one’s idol falling from grace. In 1921, after indictments were handed out to the players involved in the Black Sox Scandal, the Chicago Daily News ran the headline “Say it Ain’t So, Joe,” in reference to Shoeless Joe Jackson.

Jackson, along with 8 other players was eventually banned from baseball for life for their role in throwing the 1919 World Series. Jackson has the third highest lifetime batting average at .356, but is not in the Hall of Fame – and it’s doubtful he ever will be enshrined in Cooperstown. People were heartbroken when they found out that a player that great cheated.

It’s understandable – we want to think of our idols as being perfect – better than us and better than all the rest. Not just on the field, but in life as well, and when we find out that they are flawed just like the rest of us (sometimes even more than we are), we don’t want to believe it.

The phrase “Say it ain’t so Joe” may as well belong to the Penn State faithful, ever since the first allegations involving Jerry Sandusky began to surface. Nobody wanted to think for a second that Joe Paterno knew anything about this. Not Joe Pa – one of the most revered figures in all of sports.

 
Joe Pa – the man everyone looked up to as if he were their own grandfather. Joe Pa – the coach who ran his football program the right way – never a whisper of wrongdoing at one of the most prestigious universities in the country.


But then the reports started to come out about what Paterno knew about Sandusky’s assaults, and more importantly – when he knew it. The Penn State loyalists refused to believe that Joe Pa had covered this up in any way. Then came the revelation in the Freeh report that Paterno had in fact known about Sandusky’s attacks as far back as 1998, but did nothing about it, allowing Sandusky to continue assaulting children for another 14 years.

Maybe it was because of the huge amounts of money and prestige that the football program brought to Penn State. Maybe it was because he was afraid of what these revelations would do to his legacy. Or maybe it was because he knew Sandusky was one of the top defensive coaches in the country and that he could help Paterno win more games and possibly another National Championship. Those are all pathetic reasons to turn a blind eye to these horrific attacks, as is any reason to do anything other than immediately contact the police as soon as one found out about even the hint of what was going on.

There is a lot of blame to go around for this within Penn State, but Paterno wielded as much power and influence as anyone in that group. He built his career as a leader of men, and yet in this one critical moment he utterly failed to be the great leader he purported to be. His cowardly silence allowed Sandusky to continue to assault children for another 14 years. Now 14 years is a long time, but it’s not nearly as long as 36 years, and unfortunately that’s how long it now appears lapsed from when Paterno first learned about Sandusky’s despicable activities.


A new report this week cites courtroom testimony that Paterno was made aware of Sandusky’s attacks in 1976 firsthand from one of the victims. According to the report, when Paterno was confronted about this, he responded by saying “I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about.”

And then he turned and walked away. Thirty-six years brought 310 wins, two National Championships, three Big Ten titles, countless awards, and the legacy as the greatest college football coach of all time. Now I don’t know how many children had their lives torn apart by Sandusky during that time, but one is too many, and the number is a hell of a lot higher than one. And when the Penn State faithful are asked about this they continue to defend their beloved Joe Pa.

Just last week 200 Penn State lettermen petitioned to have Paterno’s statue returned to its former place on campus. These and other efforts to rehabilitate Joe Pa’s legacy need to stop immediately. I’m sorry to say it, but that statue can never be raised again. They need to melt it down and use the metal for something useful.

The NCAA initially vacated 111 Paterno wins, but later reinstated them, which restored his title as the winningest coach of all time. The NCAA should not only take back those 111 wins, but go all the way back to 1976 and take away all 310 of those wins. They should vacate the 2 national championships, the 3the Big Ten titles, and all of the Bowl victories. They should also kill the football program. Not impose post season bans, or scholarship restrictions, but kill it entirely for at least 5 years.

Too harsh you say? It isn’t at all when you consider that Paterno and the very upper levels of the administration allowed Jerry Sandusky to sexually assault who knows how many kids for almost 40 years (and perhaps even longer if you believe that the attacks started before 1976). There is no penalty too severe for allowing this to occur.

I remember having a conversation about Paterno’s role in all of this with a Penn State graduate. I was shouted down and told angrily that I did not understand what Joe Paterno meant to that school, and what it meant to be a part of the Penn State. What I would say now is that the thing you are defending is a house of lies, not worthy of your support. And the man you once held in such high regard is also not worthy of your respect and admiration. A man who valued winning football games over the lives of innocent children.

As I said before, it’s a hard thing to see one’s idol fall from grace, but that’s exactly what has happened with Joe Paterno, and it’s time everyone faced up to that fact.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/13/the-end-of-joe-pa/#ixzz4EKwTpigi
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Not Joe Pa – one of the most revered figures in all of sports

Gotta love regionalism like that.... or not

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Paterno was a football coach. Even the testimonies against him made note of that: the accusers say Paterno said accusations of wrongdoing were for the proper authorities to handle, not his department; his job was to coach football. He did coach football, and he did that well.

What he "knew" and how much of it he could consider credible will probably be up for debate for decades, but if he was as single-minded as the accusers claim him to be, it's perfectly plausible that he would not recall prior accusations against Sandusky.
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In any event, the man's dead, the NCAA ultimately decided to leave his wins on the book, Sandusky's in jail, and the school got their sanctions. There's not much more that can be done at this point.
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In any event, the man's dead, the NCAA ultimately decided to leave his wins on the book, Sandusky's in jail, and the school got their sanctions. There's not much more that can be done at this point.

You're right, but Paterno's name deserves to be ever sullied because he refused to step up and do something.  He did virtually nothing. 
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Paterno was a football coach. Even the testimonies against him made note of that: the accusers say Paterno said accusations of wrongdoing were for the proper authorities to handle, not his department; his job was to coach football. He did coach football, and he did that well.

What he "knew" and how much of it he could consider credible will probably be up for debate for decades, but if he was as single-minded as the accusers claim him to be, it's perfectly plausible that he would not recall prior accusations against Sandusky.

If he knew and even saw children being raped and did nothing, then he is evil scum.

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If he knew and even saw children being raped and did nothing, then he is evil scum.
I don't think any of the accusations have him at the scene of any of the rapes, only hearing secondhand accusations, mostly years apart.
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I don't think any of the accusations have him at the scene of any of the rapes, only hearing secondhand accusations, mostly years apart.
Exactly, and he wasn't the only one in State College who had an inkling - or more than just an inkling - of what Sandusky was doing. If Paterno is guilty of something, then so are a lot of lesser-known people. The whole situation makes me sick. The most disgusting part is that Sandusky tries to act like he did nothing wrong.
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The one thing we know for sure is that Joe Pa is dead and can't speak to defend himself. 

This strikes me as blind men trying to describe an elephant.   If a boy came forward in 1976 to Paterno and was told by JP that "I don't want to hear about any of that kind of stuff",  that doesn't necessarily mean Paterno did nothing or didn't care.   His reaction to the specific allegations isn't recorded other than that one statement, which was clearly part of a larger conversation.  If this was indeed the first Paterno heard of it, his natural instincts were probably to believe the colleague he knew rather than the accuser he didn't.  But that doesn't mean he didn't follow up with Sandusky.   I'd be curious to know when the next documented incident occur.  Was it also in 1976 or shortly thereafter?  Or several years later?  If the latter, it could suggest that Paterno asked Sandusky about it, and warned him to shape up - advice that Sandusky heeded, at least for a while.

I have no dog in this hunt, other than to say that that testimony that cannot be refuted by the accused because the accused is dead is very susceptible to unreliability. 
« Last Edit: July 14, 2016, 06:24:54 pm by Jazzhead »
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Paterno was a football coach. Even the testimonies against him made note of that: the accusers say Paterno said accusations of wrongdoing were for the proper authorities to handle, not his department; his job was to coach football. He did coach football, and he did that well.

What he "knew" and how much of it he could consider credible will probably be up for debate for decades, but if he was as single-minded as the accusers claim him to be, it's perfectly plausible that he would not recall prior accusations against Sandusky.

Horse puckey, any person who knows of children being raped or otherwise abused and does nothing deserves the worst society has to offer.  There is no way he didn't know. 

No, he sold his soul for football.
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Paterno was a football coach. Even the testimonies against him made note of that: the accusers say Paterno said accusations of wrongdoing were for the proper authorities to handle, not his department; his job was to coach football. He did coach football, and he did that well.

What he "knew" and how much of it he could consider credible will probably be up for debate for decades, but if he was as single-minded as the accusers claim him to be, it's perfectly plausible that he would not recall prior accusations against Sandusky.

If I had an underage child come to me and tell me of being sexually molested by one of my employees, and not only just any employee, mind you, not some low level employee like a part-time janitor, but one who is highly placed in my organization and allegedly a personal friend; I don’t think it would be something I’d forget (unless I conveniently wanted to forget) no matter how many years went by. 

And that there was more than one accuser and more than one incident indicating that Paterno had at least second hand knowledge of what Sandusky was doing and yet did nothing speaks to what Paterno found important – and it certainly wasn’t the safety of the children that Sandusky was bringing into the Penn State locker/shower rooms.

Note that in addition to the now released grand jury testimony, testimony that was released as part of Penn State’s insurance company suing the University over reimbursements claims for the numerous civil suits, that one victim under oath claimed that Paterno was made aware as early as 1976  - “Doe 150 described a 1976 incident, when he was 14, that occurred during a high school football camp in 1976. He said Sandusky, while showering with him and other boys in a Penn State locker room, inserted his finger into the then-teen's anus. The man said he later told other adults at the camp, including Paterno, about what happened.” also note that Sandusky was investigated in 1998:

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The first time a law enforcement agency was notified of possible abuse involving Sandusky was in 1998, when a mother reported to Penn State University police that her 11-year-old son had showered with Sandusky. Local district attorney Ray Gricar decided not to press charges. Gricar mysteriously disappeared in 2005. Sandusky retired in 1999 but maintained access to the campus and athletic facilities. The investigation that ultimately resulted in Sandusky’s conviction started in 2009.

Paterno certainly knew of the 1998 investigation that forced Sandusky’s “retirement” in 1999 but still allowed Sandusky to retain access to the athletic facilities including the locker and shower rooms and official Penn State events, where Sandusky continued to bring boys to and sexually molested them, raped them there. 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160713_What_Sandusky_accusers_said_in_their_depositions.html

“the accusers say Paterno said accusations of wrongdoing were for the proper authorities to handle, not his department; his job was to coach football. He did coach football, and he did that well”

His “job” as head coach may have been to coach the football team but his job as a decent human being and someone who often said he was a mentor and role model for young men, should have been more important than saving face of his beloved football program. He knew - others under his supervision knew - Penn State officials also knew. And they all turned a blind eye.

Horse puckey, any person who knows of children being raped or otherwise abused and does nothing deserves the worst society has to offer.  There is no way he didn't know. 

No, he sold his soul for football.

Exactly. I too find it disgusting.

My mom was born and grew up in the central PA area and she revered Penn State football and Joe Paterno. Heck she even had a Nittany Lion statue that she kept on top of our TV for many years, (she watched every game on TV), in a place and treated with almost as much reverence she, as a devout Catholic treated her statue of the Blessed Mother.  My mother died some years before all this came to light however and I wonder what she would have thought. Given that she loved children so much, I tend to think she too would have been disgusted by these revelations and would have had a hard time defending Paterno.

Since moving back to central PA area, I’ve seen from some, what I would almost describe as a near religious and cultish devotion to Penn State Football and to Paterno. Something that Paterno certainly does not deserve.  And some even to this day are still trying to defend Sandusky.

Jerry Sandusky wrongly convicted? A look at some of the points raised by his supporters on the 'Today' show

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/03/jerry_sandusky_wrongly_convict.html

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We're supposed to believe he didn't know and didn't see.   Believe this of a guy whose job was to judge people not only on football skills but their ability to teach, lead, inspire and the many other intangibles of being the kind of coach he was.  He was obviously very very good at it.

Or we could believe he would do anything and say anything to win a football game.

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