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Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« on: July 04, 2016, 03:11:29 am »
SOURCE: CONSERVATIVE REVIEW

URL: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/beware-the-allure-of-trump-trade

by: Joshua Withrow



If you drive across the Rust Belt or pretty much any industrial town in America, it’s pretty easy to see why Donald Trump’s aggressive trade stances appeal to so many Americans. In fact, it’s hard not to see, which is exactly the problem.

Because what you see walking through a once-proud town that used to bustle with steel mills or textile plants or parts manufacturers is emptiness. And lots of rust. You see goods like we used to make here, stamped “Made in X”, where the ‘x’ in this equation rarely equals America, and all too often equals China. You see the news reports of another company moving its operations over to Mexico, or Korea, or India.

You see proud, hard-working Americans just getting by, having lost the job that they thought they had for life.

You can’t see the toxic policies emanating from the marble and sandstone buildings of a city built on a swamp far away. You can’t see how red tape and taxes sap money from businesses that could be flowing into new investments, higher wages, more jobs.

You can’t blame people for being moved by what they can see.

And I don’t mean to discount the very real trade manipulations that are out there. China, in particular, absolutely does subsidize its goods, manipulate its currency, and steal our trade secrets. A lot of the trade agreements out there really do favor large, multi-national corporations at the expense of their smaller competitors.

So when Trump takes the stage and promises to strike back, to get even with these countries that are undercutting American jobs, that is music to the ears of Middle America.

But his solutions are largely based on punishing those countries that have undercut American jobs, that have behaved unfairly, however that is defined. Scrapping trade agreements, slapping tariffs on our competition, punitive taxes on companies who outsource – these policies appeal to that base sensation that we all share, that primal satisfaction of getting even with someone who has wronged us.

But the thing about a trade policy based on getting even, on just making things “fair,” is that once the schadenfreude has vanished you have to actually deal with the results of your ill-considered revenge. Slapping huge tariffs on goods from “cheating” countries raises the price of those goods for us, the consumers of those products. They also invite retaliation, now punishing American exports and causing pain for those companies which have not yet moved overseas.

None of this brings back those jobs we’ve lost, at least, not on the scale we need. There are plenty of other reasons besides currency manipulation and cheap labor for companies to shift jobs away from US shores, and until we make ourselves competitive again, most of those jobs aren’t coming back.

But the appeal of economic revenge is that it can be seen. “They may raise my prices a bit, and I still don’t have my job,” one might think, “But those tariffs sure showed those cheating Chinese bastards who’s the boss.”

Meanwhile, among the rusting beams of the empty factories, there is no glimpse of change when we lower our corporate tax rate, currently the highest in the developed world. As we reduce federal regulations, and lower the barriers to starting new businesses, a glass pane falls from a window no one looks through, and shatters upon the grass that now grows in cracks on the concrete floor.

The environmental regulations that increase transportation and building costs. The labor laws that let unions bully employers into benefits they cannot afford. The educational policies that have steered millions away from skilled labor jobs that remain open for lack of applicants. The political uncertainty that discourages long-term investments and encourages the hoarding of capital.

These are the things that have destroyed American industry, shipped our jobs overseas, left our workers struggling to find jobs and earn enough to retire. But they cannot be directly seen. They are only felt, as they cause employer after employer to cut back, shut down, or move to another country with something to offer, like workers who work for less.

If you got rid of all of these policies all at once, there would be a massive increase in investment and job growth here in America. No matter that our workers demand higher pay that most overseas – it’s cheaper to manufacture or at least assemble products here. Our desirable currency and our free-spending customer base guarantees that companies have every reason to want to invest here, if we’d only stop chasing them away.

We need to change our own policies to favor entrepreneurship and growth before we look overseas to wag our finger at others. But that’s not exciting; that’s not what sells. Anger sells, frustration sells, retribution sells. And Donald Trump is nothing if not a good salesman.

-- Josh Withrow is an Associate Editor for Conservative Review and Director of Public Policy at Free the People.

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2016, 03:26:52 am »
Trump's trade policies will never be enacted. They would cause a massive recession, maybe worse.  His spouting tariffs and stopping companies from moving is nothing but boob bait for his bubbas.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2016, 08:24:51 am »
The article is spot-on!

When Trump ballyhooed how he'd raise renewable fuel mandates and use the EPA to enforce them to the fullest extent of the law in Iowa, I knew he didn't 'get it' why American industry has left.

His actions since that statement have only reinforced my initial impression, for a variety of other reasons, of his being unfit for the Office of the President of the United States.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2016, 08:25:27 am by Smokin Joe »
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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2016, 09:26:04 am »
Trump's trade policies will never be enacted. They would cause a massive recession, maybe worse.  His spouting tariffs and stopping companies from moving is nothing but boob bait for his bubbas.

Don't bet on them never being enacted. They have a lot populist support on both the left and "right" these days and they rather like protection from competition - in the short run. Just ask the Venezuelans, Argentines, Brazilians, etc. It is pure poison but they rarely ever figure out they voted for it when they eventually go hungry.

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2016, 11:16:54 am »
Ever notice all of the Anti-Trump agitprop always comes from the same sources: Democrats and Establishment PAC funded Presstitutes who are paid to attack Trump.

Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2016, 11:37:55 am »
Article is labeled "commentary".

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2016, 11:52:07 am »
Ever notice all of the Anti-Trump agitprop always comes from the same sources: Democrats and Establishment PAC funded Presstitutes who are paid to attack Trump.

Ever notice you don't ever deal with the subject matter at hand?  You just attack the source. Alinsky much?
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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2016, 11:57:56 am »
Ever notice you don't ever deal with the subject matter at hand?  You just attack the source. Alinsky much?

I at least can tell who the real enemy is. Its the Establishment who do not give a dam about you and want their gravy train to continue until it bankrupts America and puts your children in poverty. They are the source of these maintain the status articles.
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2016, 12:22:26 pm »
I at least can tell who the real enemy is. Its the Establishment who do not give a dam about you and want their gravy train to continue until it bankrupts America and puts your children in poverty. They are the source of these maintain the status articles.
Way to double down on your ridiculousness!
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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2016, 02:52:20 pm »
Way to double down on your ridiculousness!
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

Isaiah 54:17

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2016, 03:40:04 pm »
A major problem that is sometimes omitted in these discussions if the effects automation has on jobs. Or major shifts in modes of production and distribution.
 Few people want to see small farmers lose their farms, but how many people got upset about all the mom and pop grocery stores that went out of business when the big supermarkets came in?
Those small grocery stores were all over my city when I was a kid. Every one of them is now long gone. But unless you're living in a huge city where traveling miles to find a large store is inconvenient, who wants to do their grocery shopping in a tiny grocery store?
My point is times change, and many people lose their livelihoods due to that change.  Many people are hurt in the short term, but many more people benefit from having cheaper and better goods.
Ditto for many other small store owners whose businesses were taken over by the big box boys. Americans have chosen....they prefer big to small.  Trying to keep the less productive in business means making things worse for the general population.
Automation has also cost millions of Americans their jobs. Should we adopt a Luddite mentality for people to keep unproductive jobs?
I guess the first rule of medicine if for the doctor to do no harm. But Trump is a hack doctor of economics who will probably due a lot more harm than good with his wacky ideas.

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2016, 03:50:35 pm »
A major problem that is sometimes omitted in these discussions if the effects automation has on jobs. Or major shifts in modes of production and distribution.
 Few people want to see small farmers lose their farms, but how many people got upset about all the mom and pop grocery stores that went out of business when the big supermarkets came in?
Those small grocery stores were all over my city when I was a kid. Every one of them is now long gone. But unless you're living in a huge city where traveling miles to find a large store is inconvenient, who wants to do their grocery shopping in a tiny grocery store?
My point is times change, and many people lose their livelihoods due to that change.  Many people are hurt in the short term, but many more people benefit from having cheaper and better goods.
Ditto for many other small store owners whose businesses were taken over by the big box boys. Americans have chosen....they prefer big to small.  Trying to keep the less productive in business means making things worse for the general population.
Automation has also cost millions of Americans their jobs. Should we adopt a Luddite mentality for people to keep unproductive jobs?
I guess the first rule of medicine if for the doctor to do no harm. But Trump is a hack doctor of economics who will probably due a lot more harm than good with his wacky ideas.
The Reason automation is not a near term thing that will affect most of us for the next decade is Intellectual Property laws will restrict it and keep it very expensive.
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

Isaiah 54:17

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2016, 04:12:05 pm »
The Reason automation is not a near term thing that will affect most of us for the next decade is Intellectual Property laws will restrict it and keep it very expensive.

That is dead wrong.  You simply don't know what you're talking about.

Apple supplier Foxconn displaces 60,000 workers with robots at China factory

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/foxconn-factory-robots-kunshan-jobs-replaced-a7048541.html

Factory automation robotics have been around for 40 years.  Patents are mostly expired and there are companies dedicated to providing robots to manufacturers:

Top 21 companies in the industrial robotics market

http://www.technavio.com/blog/top-21-companies-in-the-industrial-robotics-market

Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2016, 04:19:07 pm »
A major problem that is sometimes omitted in these discussions if the effects automation has on jobs. Or major shifts in modes of production and distribution.
 Few people want to see small farmers lose their farms, but how many people got upset about all the mom and pop grocery stores that went out of business when the big supermarkets came in?
Those small grocery stores were all over my city when I was a kid. Every one of them is now long gone. But unless you're living in a huge city where traveling miles to find a large store is inconvenient, who wants to do their grocery shopping in a tiny grocery store?
My point is times change, and many people lose their livelihoods due to that change.  Many people are hurt in the short term, but many more people benefit from having cheaper and better goods.
Ditto for many other small store owners whose businesses were taken over by the big box boys. Americans have chosen....they prefer big to small.  Trying to keep the less productive in business means making things worse for the general population.
Automation has also cost millions of Americans their jobs. Should we adopt a Luddite mentality for people to keep unproductive jobs?
I guess the first rule of medicine if for the doctor to do no harm. But Trump is a hack doctor of economics who will probably due a lot more harm than good with his wacky ideas.
I see the main blue collar job killers as automation (not much you can do about that but get a job fixing the robots), regulation EPA/OSHA/etc, and immigration. Taxation is another serious problem, and unrealistic union demands are, too. Add in Obamacare and cheap, illegal labor and what's to keep Americans working. Work ethic and productivity haven't been helped any by protracted unemployment/underemployment, either.

In some sectors (the oil patch, for instance) market factors are real job killers, too.
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Re: Beware the Allure of Trump Trade
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2016, 04:36:20 pm »
Ever notice you don't ever deal with the subject matter at hand?  You just attack the source. Alinsky much?

No.  He never does.

That's because he's either paid by the Trump campaign to simply shill and deflect on social media and forums, or he's a True Believer and Trump is his god.
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