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The Republic is lost and gone.  It exists now in name only and everyone will simply play it lip service.

We suffered a velvet coup – no one noticed, no one believed it. Yet the evidence is all there, right in your faces – and everyone pretends nothing has changed. Factions and party cheering the shell game to preserve the facade of what we once were, while the masterminds play us all like cards.

More than Half the population has made government their god, and a quarter of the other half is looking to make their chosen political messiah, king.  More than two-thirds of the country now look at the Office of President as a monarchy; a defacto dictatorship that will benefit them, their desires and their causes.  This fact is made self-evident by the numbers of people who assume that their candidate will be able to do all the things they campaign on via diktat:  Make the sea levels fall; stop the Climate; remake all treaties and trade agreements; Build a wall, make Mexico pay for it;  punitive tariffs; punish banks; redistribute wealth; ban guns etc., etc., etc.  They care not for whatever character flaws, past associations, past positions or wavering statements their Chosen makes.  He/She/It will lead them and theirs to the promised land of government redistributed prosperity to those who salute and support their Chosen, and everlasting punishment for those who are declared traitors for failure to prostrate themselves before their One.

The hatred and vitriol being flung at everyone who does not support their political messiah, has reached levels of frightening proportion:  Death threats; banning from social media and forum sites;  Lawsuits; Promises of retribution; calls for Party purging of those who will not bend the knee to the presumptive nominee.

Everything we are witnessing right now, are the death throes of a civil society fast devolving into the morass of anarchy, tribalism and Statism.

It’s what history teaches every failed republic goes through right before the sown seeds of chaos and massive upheaval gives way to an oppressive dictatorship that a majority applauds for the empty promise of order, sustenance and revenge. You already hear and see those sentiments being expressed.

We are weak. Divided. Immoral. Ignorant. Unthinking. Unprincipled and infected with a fatal case of Normalcy Bias.

The consequences of which we are just beginning to feel.

Is that harsh?  Yes. That is harsh.  But the truth often is.

And this people do not want to hear it.

As history teaches – a debased people never want to hear about the consequences they are about to reap, and they often set upon those trying to warn and plead with them to stop and reverse course.  They retreat violently into the solace of the corrupted institutions they think are there to protect them.

Let me state a fact: this election is not going to save us. None of these people running for the office of dictator - er, president, are going to save us from the consequences sown that we have yet to experience.   Indeed much of the policies being trumpeted by both major candidates are simply a continuity of the very things that have diminished us and put us at risk in the first place.   Notwithstanding my contention that we saw our last legitimate national election back in 2008.  Cook County went national and 2012 revealed the depths of the velvet coup we refuse to acknowledge even now.   In the last four years, tyranny has been institutionally entrenched by both parties and an Executive dictatorship was handed to Obama on a silver platter by the very party sent there to stop him.

Today, this people insist that the election of their Chosen is going to right all the wrongs and stop the meddlesome tyranny that so many are grown accustomed.

How sad the level of ignorance of both history and human nature.

The fact is we cannot stop tyranny by civil means, PERIOD.  The Lawless are not going to be restrained by more law when they are pushing and passing lawlessness and societal anarchy in the name of diversity, tolerance and acceptance.

Neither can we enjoy the blessings of liberty when most of the nation no longer shares our core principles or culture.  Saving a rotting culture and discarded Republic are not possible without a national repentance, which even few churches and leaders are even willing to mention, much less implore. Instead we have intolerant “tolerance”: Chrislam; Black Lives Matters; Nationalist Populism and Democratic Socialism. Any opposition surrenders itself wholesale to threats from those groups or  it tears itself apart in virulence unseen towards those whom perpetrated their servitude in the first place.

We have yet to fully reap what we have already sown, and God is not going to hear a nation’s pleas in calamity when it has discarded Him.

Instead, He is going to laugh at us because He has given us over to our own ways. Proverbs 1:24-32 http://biblehub.com/context/proverbs/1-24.htm

Truly this people demand to do what is right in their own eyes and destroy those who dare attempt to restrain their passions .  Whether it be killing their unborn, identifying themselves as the opposite sex so as to play pervert in public bathrooms, or force those “holy rollers” to participate in their wickedness and celebrate it by force of law.  The vast majority turn an indifferent eye while an activist minority grow ever-more violent at any perceived slight.    The people seig-heil the candidate who appeals to their basest instincts and denounces those as evil whom plead with a people to reconcile themselves to righteousness, to recapture and cherish a morality and heritage they no longer consider valid because “pragmatism” trumps principle.

The Cup of Iniquity runneth over, and The Almighty Lord of All Creation will laugh at us when our next 9-11 befalls us.  I can say that with absolute certainty, because His Word tells us that He will when after examples and pleadings of the Watchmen, the people refuse to heed.

If this makes you angry – your problem is with the truth.  Perhaps your faith is in men and their institutions, rather than on the foundational principles that once upheld us as a people.  A problem which gets to the actual root cause of why we have arrived at this point to begin with.
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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 02:20:02 am »
Hard to argue with.

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 08:58:42 am »
We will survive Hillary, just as we've survived every terrible Democrat before her.

We'll just have to save ourselves.

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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 11:49:48 am »
I agree this election isn't going to "save us" whatever that means

But I will disagree with those who say America is finished
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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 04:48:21 pm »
We will survive Hillary, just as we've survived every terrible Democrat before her.

We'll just have to save ourselves.

And isn't that what the crucible of liberty is actually all about to begin with?

That the vast majority of OUR OWN ideological spectrum have limited that concept to casting a ballot or calling a congressman while screaming in fear of Hillary is pretty disconcerting.

Saving ourselves is not only our duty - but the only real liberty we actually have left to us.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 07:17:42 pm »


If this makes you angry – your problem is with the truth.  Perhaps your faith is in men and their institutions, rather than on the foundational principles that once upheld us as a people.  A problem which gets to the actual root cause of why we have arrived at this point to begin with.

I find it endlessly entertaining that people think that Barry will be impeached, Trump will be contained, whatever...by the very people that, charged with making and upholding the law, could give two craps about 'law' and prove it daily.

May as well be entertained. There arent enough of us that believe in principle, the Constitution or in fact "America" to change things.
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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 07:38:39 pm »
Two observations in the form of cynical coments.  If voting ever changed anything, it would have been made illegal years ago, and secondly we're at that awkward stage when it's to late to vote them out, and too early to start shooting.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 10:17:06 pm »
That worked exceptionally well for the Colonists and the Founders who not only spread discontent of living under the tyranny of the Crown, they lit the brushfire of Independence in the minds of many from the pulpits of the churches in the Colonies.

It is past time to be discontent because changing the government we now live under will be no more successful than the myriad olive branch petitions sent to King George III and Parliament.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2016, 01:16:11 am »
John Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Since the majority of people in our nation are no longer moral and religious, God has given the choice of two dictators. Liberals have proven that they don't want freedom and quite frankly they don't deserve it either. The only problem is that while liberals are willingly giving up their freedom, they are also stealing ours.
2016 shows that most so-called conservatives & liberals want a tyrant, not a leader; Americans want a monarchy, not a republic.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2016, 12:21:53 pm »
John Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Since the majority of people in our nation are no longer moral and religious, God has given the choice of two dictators. Liberals have proven that they don't want freedom and quite frankly they don't deserve it either. The only problem is that while liberals are willingly giving up their freedom, they are also stealing ours.
@Ginger Republic For a long time this was one nation under God. We were able to prosper to the point that we were able to Assist other countries in their own struggles and to over throw one of the greatest threats to humanity. And again we prospered. And then we became complacent we believed that the following generations would be able to carry the torch of freedom and faith forward. We let our families become infected with ideas that disparaged God and kicked him tot he curb. We lost our fundamental goodness and surrendered to the idea of prosperity without effort. We surrendered the idea of service to others and replaced it with "give me mine, NOW!"
This country needs to face a great testing or reckoning and turn itself back to God and the family. I thought that 9/11 might do that. Instead less than 10 years later we began to make moves to embrace the very culture that sought to destroy us. Khrushchev was wrong. Communism didn't need to buy us, we buried ourselves through indifference and complacency.     
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2016, 05:17:42 pm »
Khrushchev was wrong. Communism didn't need to buy us, we buried ourselves through indifference and complacency.     

The past-tense is very appropriate. 

I find few if any churches or congregations even willing to hear the truth about sin and our need for repentance.

Churchgoers Walk Out Of Sermon Preaching Against Homosexuality

DeToqueville was prophetic, for indeed we have ceased to be great - because as a nation we ceased to be good, for even our churches are corrupted by a wicked culture and this people have embraced evil.

It's how you have Chrislam being celebrated in churches with Muslims.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2016, 01:07:40 am »
Elections and yr 'round politics are this nation's, (coast to coast), biggest fundraising apparatuses known to man. That's what we're not gong to be saved from. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2016, 02:05:40 am »
As history teaches – a debased people never want to hear about the consequences they are about to reap, and they often set upon those trying to warn and plead with them to stop and reverse course.  They retreat violently into the solace of the corrupted institutions they think are there to protect them.

Amen to all you have said. Each student of human history, and every thoughtful and observant person knows where America is now headed.

We have passed the last exit, and now traverse a low road so many civilizations before us have traveled, and they all lead to the same damned place. 

The great tragedy of humanity is not that we are so often willfully foolish and short-sighted, but that we refuse to act to preserve our own God-given freedoms before they are lost, often for generations, while we still possess the means to do so. 
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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2016, 01:14:49 pm »


"It’s what history teaches every failed republic goes through right before the sown seeds of chaos and massive upheaval gives way to an oppressive dictatorship that a majority applauds for the empty promise of order, sustenance and revenge. You already hear and see those sentiments being expressed."

Yes, history shows every representative form of government ends when people realize government can give them "things" and their representatives do it.  Finally, that govn. can't give the people more and government fails, then the people vote for a dictator they hope will give them more "things".  We now have dictator Trump up for election who says he will "take care" of everyone.  A benevolent dictator.  The Republic is gone. 

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2016, 08:16:59 pm »
I want Texas to secede. I have heard the calls for a Convention of the States, but even after the end of our Republic, it has not occurred and probably won't. Even if it did, it would probably be hijacked by the socialist and Statist forces that have installed themselves without term limits in our ruling class. Legislation by the SC, executive abuse of power, debt that can never be repaid, social engineering in the military, threats to prosecute rational people who do not bow to the religion of climate change, celebration of mental illness in the forcing of transgenderism on us and our children in government schools, the farce of gay "marriage," are just a few of our grievances against the extra-Constitutional National government.

The Declaration of Independence provides us with the justification to sever ties with the oppressive, non-representational government we suffer under.
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2016, 08:38:39 pm »
I want Texas to secede. I have heard the calls for a Convention of the States, but even after the end of our Republic, it has not occurred and probably won't. Even if it did, it would probably be hijacked by the socialist and Statist forces that have installed themselves without term limits in our ruling class. Legislation by the SC, executive abuse of power, debt that can never be repaid, social engineering in the military, threats to prosecute rational people who do not bow to the religion of climate change, celebration of mental illness in the forcing of transgenderism on us and our children in government schools, the farce of gay "marriage," are just a few of our grievances against the extra-Constitutional National government.

Article V is a noble cause and a good vehicle to establish justification for what must be done - but it absolutely WILL NOT stop nor even slow the tyranny we are fallen into.

Use of deadly force will be required .

Tyrants and the lawless who benefit from lawlessness WILL NEVER allow themselves to be subject to any law that impedes them.  Never.  Fact of history and human nature.

You can not stop tyranny by civil means - PERIOD.

The Declaration of Independence provides us with the justification to sever ties with the oppressive, non-representational government we suffer under.

You will be told repeatedly that the Declaration of Independence is not law and is not binding and has no legal effect and therefore is no justification to sever ties with the legitimate government, no matter how brutal and evil it has become.  Then you will be told that the war between the states settled that argument and the States no longer are sovereign, but under the Federal jurisdiction.

What is required now is massive refusal to comply and total civil disobedience to a government which has no moral authority whatsoever to order us to do anything.

All it has now, is guns their agents will put to your heads and those of your children to force compliance.

And make no mistake - that is exactly what it is going to come to. 
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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2016, 10:09:34 pm »
I dare say the Romans used to stand around too, and say things like, "its going to get a lot worse before it gets any better."

The left have taken America just as Joe Stalin said they would all of those years ago.

They've done it by gradualization and Cultural Marxism, and by means of the education system, driving a wedge in between each generation. The school system has replaced parents as the main influence upon growing children. Kids also don't know the most basic history.

There has been a massive gap between each generation. Put there by the left.

And while all this has been going on, nobody, the Republican party least of all, has developed any kind of strategy to stop the left. To stop Cultural Marxism and gradualization. Its still working as well today as when it came into being back in the late fifties and early sixties.

I'll say it one more time- There is no effective force operating to counter Cultural Marxism and gradualization.

On a personal level, I thought Ted Cruz was the one chance to restore the Constitutional Republic. To start a real turn around.

Now he sits sidelined while the election is a competition between on one side a politically confused New York liberal, a charlatan and pretender, and on the other side an amoral psychopathic power seeker. Both have no regard for the Constitution.

Almost unbelievable that the Constitutional Republic has come to this, but it has. No doubt.

I can't see any way out of this. The fight is lost, and its lost most of all because we have given our children to the enemy. Even after he told us what he would do with them, we gave them to him and we're still giving them to him.

Why the hell would this not result in the disaster we see before us?

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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2016, 05:59:42 am »

I'll say it one more time- There is no effective force operating to counter Cultural Marxism and gradualization.

A little leaven, leavens the entire lump according the scripture and science.  It's too late to stop the consequences already sown when standing up and putting down Socialism and Leftism was working it's talons into our institutions.  Sadly the Greatest generation thought that ignoring the whining of their children and waving off what they thought no sane person would accept simply allowed it to take root and like all weeds, overtake the garden of the republic.

At this point - only a great expense of blood will prevent what is coming, and a great expense of blood is coming even if no one tries to prevent what is coming.

Almost unbelievable that the Constitutional Republic has come to this, but it has. No doubt.

We are no longer a Constitutional Republic, and have not been for at least 6 years.  Congress and the Courts did not restrain lawlessness destructive precedents made by Obama, which rendered Constitutional governance irrelevant.  If the lawless get away with breaking the law by those sworn to uphold the law, then there is no more law. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2016, 11:24:28 am »
A little leaven, leavens the entire lump according the scripture and science.  It's too late to stop the consequences already sown when standing up and putting down Socialism and Leftism was working it's talons into our institutions.  Sadly the Greatest generation thought that ignoring the whining of their children and waving off what they thought no sane person would accept simply allowed it to take root and like all weeds, overtake the garden of the republic.

At this point - only a great expense of blood will prevent what is coming, and a great expense of blood is coming even if no one tries to prevent what is coming.
@INVAR I don't think it was so much a matter of ignoring or waving off as much as a matter of complacency. They had just defeated the greatest evil they could imagine. It was now time to come home and tend to their families. They thought that this lesson would last for generations.  The problem was that they took John Adams at his word: I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.
They forgot that evil will find a way and that every generation must have it's warriors.

We are no longer a Constitutional Republic, and have not been for at least 6 years.  Congress and the Courts did not restrain lawlessness destructive precedents made by Obama, which rendered Constitutional governance irrelevant.  If the lawless get away with breaking the law by those sworn to uphold the law, then there is no more law.
No argument here. He has gotten away with more than even the Clintons.
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2016, 05:49:48 pm »

No argument here. He has gotten away with more than even the Clintons.

I have a query.  If, god forbid, Hillary wins in November, do we reset the lawlessness clock or do we continue it at eight years from the 90's?  How would we count scandals and body bags into the future?
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2016, 06:25:53 pm »
I don't think it was so much a matter of ignoring or waving off as much as a matter of complacency...
They forgot that evil will find a way and that every generation must have it's warriors.

Perhaps a chunk of them were of the Adams' mindset.  I think in the Post-Dr. Ben Spock world that the vast majority bought into the societal meme that one should not discipline children and let them be 'children'.

I think for most that the idea that their children would want and demand the very ideologies that they went to war against was beyond their ability to even process.

They thought it an impossibility.

Which led to the false belief that we were invincible and would last a thousand years.

I have a query.  If, god forbid, Hillary wins in November, do we reset the lawlessness clock or do we continue it at eight years from the 90's?  How would we count scandals and body bags into the future?

Corruption and lawlessness are already institutionalized.

The Ruling Class will never allow itself to be restrained at this point forward because they now understand that they are exempt from law and restraint.   They believe 'law' is only to be applied upon the 'little people' so as to limit any challenge they might pose to their power and wealth streams.

You cannot oppose tyranny via civil means. 

Either we resist it by force, or we will be subjugated by force while the vast majority willingly submit to chains as they have thus far.
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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2016, 05:51:12 pm »
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I don't think any sensible folk even considered the notion that this election is going to save us.   If you have any degree of rationality,  you can only conclude that it will buy us time,  but that is about it. 


If Hillary wins,   we will have the Third Reich here in the USA.   
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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2016, 06:30:24 pm »

If Hillary wins,   we will have the Third Reich here in the USA.

I believe if Trump is crowned, we will have Benito Mussolini's Italy here in the USA.

So take your pick: boiling in oil or burning at the stake…. which do you prefer?

I choose none of the above - I have no intention of giving in to death which is the most assured outcome of either of those people being given the office.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Do Not Be Deceived – This Election Is Not Going To Save Us
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2016, 09:37:01 pm »
I believe if Trump is crowned, we will have Benito Mussolini's Italy here in the USA.


And based on what evidence do you believe that Trump will misuse the government in a manner that Hillary Clinton has already done?   


I haven't heard of Trump illegally obtaining FBI files on Republican enemies,   so you will have to fill me in on what equivalent thing he has done.   







So take your pick: boiling in oil or burning at the stake…. which do you prefer?



I prefer to view the world as it really is,   not as other people are trying to convince me that it is.    I see no evidence that Trump will be as bad as Hillary.    I see plenty of evidence that Hillary has a despotic mindset.   Numerous scandals involving her illustrate that she has contempt for the law and a completely willingness to abuse it to attack those whom she perceives are her enemies.   


So until you can establish Trump has a track record of being as bad as Hillary,   i'll forgo considering any comparisons between him being the equivalent of "boiling oil."   



I choose none of the above - I have no intention of giving in to death which is the most assured outcome of either of those people being given the office.


You don't get such a choice.   One of them will be President,   and any effort to avoid such a decision simply helps the greater of the two evils.   

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