Trump Shows His Ignorant Side And Takes A Dump On 40 Years Of Military Excellence

[ABX]

Is this man for real? He wants to be the Commander In Chief and yet, for some reason, is very fond of sticking his foot in his yap whenever he opens it. His latest statement is one for the ages and when I first saw reference to it, I thought, "He couldn't have said something that dumb, could he?"

Yes. He did.....

http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/06/29/trump-shows-ignorant-side-takes-dump-40-years-military-excellence/

[Gov Bean Counter]

He is a fool.

[Mechanicos]

Why do you people pay any attention to anything put out by Eric Erickson? Really hes a paid tool of the Establishment who is not your friend.

[ABX]

Why do you people pay any attention to anything put out by Eric Erickson? Really hes a paid tool of the Establishment who is not your friend.

Jay Caruso wrote this, not Eric, but I guess that is your copy and paste response so I'll let that one go without laughing too much. However, you can skip the article and just read Trump's own words which speak for themselves.

....the United States lost the Vietnam War and every war since. "Since then, we only lose,"

[Gov Bean Counter]

Jay Caruso wrote this, not Eric, but I guess that is your copy and paste response so I'll let that one go without laughing too much. However, you can skip the article and just read Trump's own words which speak for themselves.

....the United States lost the Vietnam War and every war since. "Since then, we only lose,"

He was just going with the standard response from the mother shi(p).

[Mechanicos]

Jay Caruso wrote this, not Eric, but I guess that is your copy and paste response so I'll let that one go without laughing too much. However, you can skip the article and just read Trump's own words which speak for themselves.

....the United States lost the Vietnam War and every war since. "Since then, we only lose,"

Are you going to say that's not a true statement? Name the war we won?

[Mesaclone]

As a veteran, there is no offense whatsoever in what he said. If we can't look at our policy in a rational and impartial way, we cannot learn from our mistakes. That's lesson 101 for every soldier. Further, Mr. Trump repeatedly honors the courage and work of soldiers/veterans which is why the vast majority of them are supporting him in this election. This is about war strategy and what has and has not worked against our enemies. We have won many tactical victories, but strategically our war policy has been terribly ineffective...in some cases counterproductive. That is an arguable point of view, no doubt, but it casts no aspersions whatsoever on anything the military has done in achieving the missions it is given. So the headline is not only wrong, its a deliberate lie.

[geronl]

As a veteran, there is no offense whatsoever in what he said. If we can't look at our policy in a rational and impartial way, we cannot learn from our mistakes.

There is nothing rational about what Trump says.

[sinkspur]

As a veteran, there is no offense whatsoever in what he said. If we can't look at our policy in a rational and impartial way, we cannot learn from our mistakes. That's lesson 101 for every soldier. Further, Mr. Trump repeatedly honors the courage and work of soldiers/veterans which is why the vast majority of them are supporting him in this election. This is about war strategy and what has and has not worked against our enemies. We have won many tactical victories, but strategically our war policy has been terribly ineffective...in some cases counterproductive. That is an arguable point of view, no doubt, but it casts no aspersions whatsoever on anything the military has done in achieving the missions it is given. So the headline is not only wrong, its a deliberate lie.

This is the most absurd, outrageous thing you've ever posted on this site.  And the competition from you is legion.

Trump had to be shamed into donating the million dollars he promised in his January Trumpathon. 

The military was successful in seven different engagements.  Your attempts to justify Trump's denigration of those is shameful.

Gonna put you on ignore for a while until you come to your goddamned senses!

[ABX]

Are you going to say that's not a true statement? Name the war we won?

Every official (congressional declared) war since Vietnam- exactly opposite of what he said.

Operation Urgent Fury (Grenada)
Operation Just Cause (Panama)
Operation El Dorado Canyon (Libya)
Persian Gulf War (1st Gulf War)
Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan, all military objectives met even though O pussed out and wouldn't declare victory)
Iraqi Freedom (Like Afghanistan, all military objectives met even though O pussed out and wouldn't declare victory)

As the Cold War ended after Vietnam, although it wasn't an officially declared war, you can add that to the list.

[Mechanicos]

Read the damned article, puppy-boy.  Seven military encounters that the US military won.

I did. the issue was war not a battle. The article claims we won Iraq because of the the Gulf war was a battle - we lost the war obviously. Same with Panama we do not have it, same with all the others. The article misrepresents battles with wars. Yes we won battles I was in a couple but we lost the wars. So trump is correct and the article misrepresents battles as wars.

[Mechanicos]

Every official (congressional declared) war since Vietnam- exactly opposite of what he said.

Operation Urgent Fury (Grenada)
Operation Just Cause (Panama)
Operation El Dorado Canyon (Libya)
Persian Gulf War (1st Gulf War)
Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan, all military objectives met even though O pussed out and wouldn't declare victory)
Iraqi Freedom (Like Afghanistan, all military objectives met even though O pussed out and wouldn't declare victory)

As the Cold War ended after Vietnam, although it wasn't an officially declared war, you can add that to the list.

Battles are not wars. Battles are only part of war.
Oh and the cold war? You think we won that? Look at how Marxist America is now.

[ABX]

Also to add to this, although pop culture and the media like to state we lost Vietnam, the common argument in war colleges is we actually won that war as well as we met all stated objectives.

The US war in Vietnam ended in 1973 with the signing of the Paris Peace Accords. The accords gave the United States what it wanted. Since the US met all of its objectives there was no need to continue the Vietnam War. Why should we continue fighting a war that we already won? [1]

Read this:

"The reunification of Viet-Nam shall be carried out step by step through peaceful means on the basis of discussions and agreements between North and South Viet-Nam, without coercion or annexation by either party, and without foreign interference." [2]

The accords gave the United States the victory. The treaty also showed that now the United States had no need to interfere with Vietnam again. In 1975, North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam again, but South Vietnam was no longer an ally of the United States. South Vietnam was practically fighting a second war against the North Vietnamese. As explained here:

"Two years later the fourth Vietnam war began with a full scale North Vietnamese invasion of the south. The United States did not become involved in this conflict which meant that the United States could not have won or lost the fourth war. The war was fought exclusively between the north and south Vietnamese governments and could only have been won or lost by them." [3]

The United States fought in the third war in Vietnam. The first two wars were World War 2 and the revolution against France. This clearly proves that the United States won the war in the form of a glorious victory, it did not lose it.

II. Prevented the Domino Effect

Because of the US actions in Vietnam, other Asian nations did not turn communist. This is similar to what happened in the Korean War. We did not win in Korea, but our great actions there prevented other Asian nations like Japan from falling. The same could be said for Vietnam. As explained here:

"Remarkably, what was obvious to so many never happened. Today, these countries are capitalist, prosperous and, to some extent, democratic. Why? Because the United States, with enormous sacrifice, held the line for well over a decade in Vietnam, deflecting Soviet resources and allowing valuable time for these other countries to mature." [4]

What we did in Vietnam stopped the flow of communism in Asia, perhaps the entire world. This is a glorious victory for the United States. Furthermore, Soviet tyranny was stopped:

"In the fantasy world of the American Left, Vietnam was not worth fighting because the Cold War was only a fiction whipped up by the military— industrial complex. If only those 100 million dead souls could answer that lie. The American victory in the Cold War was dearly bought, but if the Soviet Union had not been stopped, its victims might now number ——— how many? 200 million? 300 million? An endless number, as the Soviet Empire went from victory to victory?
In truth, we should have parades celebrating the sacrifice of Americans and our Vietnamese allies in the Vietnam War. It was an agonizing battle. But it was thrust upon us, and there was no other way. Don't let the Left get away with lying about it." [5]

III. Bankrupted the Soviet Union

Before, during, and after the war, Vietnam relied increasingly on Soviet economic aid. The Soviets were spending a lot of money in Vietnam. This contributed to their fall. As said here:

"Following the conquest of South Vietnam in 1975, Hanoi sought to retain the equilibrium of its wartime relations with both China and the Soviet Union, but mounting tensions with Beijing, culminating in the loss of Chinese aid in 1978, compelled Hanoi to look increasingly to Moscow for economic and military assistance.

Friction was particularly evident in economic relations. The Soviets resented the enormous burden of their aid program to Vietnam and felt that much of it was wasted because of Vietnamese inefficiency." [6]

Because the Soviet Union put a lot of aid into Vietnam, Vietnam contributed to do the end of the Soviet Union.

IV. We Never Lost a Battle

How could we lose the Vietnam War when we never lost a battle and met all of our objectives. As said here:

"The American military was not defeated in Vietnam. The American military did not lose a battle of any consequence. From a military standpoint, it was almost an unprecedented performance. (Westmoreland quoting Douglas Pike, a professor at the University of California, Berkley a renowned expert on the Vietnam War) [Westmoreland] This included Tet 68, which was a major military defeat for the VC and NVA." [7]

In addition, we lost some 58,000 men and over 300,000 wounded in the Vietnam War. You want to know how much the communists lost? Over 1,000,000 troops along with over 600,000 wounded. We clearly won here. [7]

V. Vietnam Payed War Reparations

How did we lose the war when Vietnam payed us war reparations. Read this:

"Vietnam never received war reparations payments from the U.S. for the massive loss of life and destruction, yet an agreement reached in Paris in 1993 required Hanoi to recognize the debts of the defunct Saigon regime of General Thieu. This agreement is in many regards tantamount to obliging Vietnam to compensate Washington for the costs of war." [8]

As we can see here, Vietnam payed war reparations because they knew they lost the war.

[Mesaclone]

This is the most absurd, outrageous thing you've ever posted on this site.  And the competition from you is legion.

Trump had to be shamed into donating the million dollars he promised in his January Trumpathon. 

The military was successful in seven different engagements.  Your attempts to justify Trump's denigration of those is shameful.

Gonna put you on ignore for a while until you come to your goddamned senses!

Clearly, you don't understand the difference between tactical victory and strategic failure in warfare. The Germans won many engagements in WWII, even defeating the French resoundingly. Yet they lost the war due to foolish strategic efforts. As for ignore, hide from the cognitive dissonance all you want...but its internal, and blocking me won't free you from it.

[ABX]

Battles are not wars. Battles are only part of war.
Oh and the cold war? You think we won that? Look at how Marxist America is now.

Every single one of those (except the Cold War as that was just a footnote comment) was a Congressional declared war- not a battle.

Here is an ESL page defining the difference for you to simplify things. http://www.english-for-students.com/What-is-the-difference-between-Battle-and-War.html

[Mechanicos]

Also to add to this, although pop culture and the media like to state we lost Vietnam, the common argument in war colleges is we actually won that war as well as we met all stated objectives.

Funny seems we were pulled out and let the communists have the entire country. In my book that's a loss. The enemy has the entire country.

USSR. Why is Communism so strong in the US if we won the Cold War?

Seems all the examples given are overshadowed by the actual final results. 

[ABX]

This is the most absurd, outrageous thing you've ever posted on this site.  And the competition from you is legion.

Trump had to be shamed into donating the million dollars he promised in his January Trumpathon. 

The military was successful in seven different engagements.  Your attempts to justify Trump's denigration of those is shameful.

Gonna put you on ignore for a while until you come to your goddamned senses!

It really is getting silly isn't it. Now supposedly, actual wars weren't wars if we won them, they were just battles (ignore that they were legally wars). Orwellian changing of the meaning of words to try to prove Trump correct. Bless his heart.

[Gov Bean Counter]

This is the most absurd, outrageous thing you've ever posted on this site.  And the competition from you is legion.

Trump had to be shamed into donating the million dollars he promised in his January Trumpathon. 

The military was successful in seven different engagements.  Your attempts to justify Trump's denigration of those is shameful.

Gonna put you on ignore for a while until you come to your goddamned senses!

I have them all on ignore. My BP is much better now.

[mystery-ak]

Here is my 2cents...

I am sick and tired of hearing how the military lost this war or that war...

The military has never lost a war..the politicians have lost them....stay out of the conflict and let the military do it's job they have trained for.....talk to any soldier and they will tell you the same.

[Mechanicos]

Here is my 2cents...

I am sick and tired of hearing how the military lost this war or that war...

The military has never lost a war..the politicians have lost them....stay out of the conflict and let the military do it's job they have trained for.....talk to any soldier and they will tell you the same.

True, we won when they let us win. Stupid ROE, Stupid directives. The military guys were great, leadership sucked back home.

[Suppressed]

Same with Panama we do not have it, same with all the others.

Yup...we don't have Germany, Italy, and Japan, so we obviously lost WWII.  We don't have the UK, so that Revolutionary War was a loss.  Etc.

[geronl]

We don't fight wars of conquest

[txradioguy]

As a veteran, there is no offense whatsoever in what he said. If we can't look at our policy in a rational and impartial way, we cannot learn from our mistakes. That's lesson 101 for every soldier. Further, Mr. Trump repeatedly honors the courage and work of soldiers/veterans which is why the vast majority of them are supporting him in this election. This is about war strategy and what has and has not worked against our enemies. We have won many tactical victories, but strategically our war policy has been terribly ineffective...in some cases counterproductive. That is an arguable point of view, no doubt, but it casts no aspersions whatsoever on anything the military has done in achieving the missions it is given. So the headline is not only wrong, its a deliberate lie.

Then as a veteran you should be offended because on the field of battle we beat the NVA and the VC.  We LOST the propaganda war based on a lie told by Walter Cronkite after the failure of the Tet Offensive.

As a veteran you should be offended at your Idol's lack of historical military knowledge to know that we haven't lost every war since Vietnam.  You should be pissed off because of his blatant falsehood.

But because you worship Orange Jesus you dutifully agree with everything he says.  And what Trump is saying is no different than what any Liberal anti-war Liberal says about us.

And what Liberals do...and what Trump dis was to take a dump on what the military has done in the last 40 years.

How exactly does Trump honor me...or you...by hiring a blatant stolen valor moron as part of his campaign staff?

Does he honor us by lying and claiming soldiers stole reconstruction money?

OH WAIT!!! I know...you think he honors us by wanting to turn us into a mercenary force willing to fight for the highest bidder.  That MUST be it. 

As a Senior NCO your lack of backbone and willingness to swallow anything this fool feeds you...when you know from a military standpoint he's wrong...shows a serious lack of moral courage.

[DB]

As a Senior NCO your lack of backbone and willingness to swallow anything this fool feeds you...when you know from a military standpoint he's wrong...shows a serious lack of moral courage.

They've hitched their wagon and they're going all the way. There's no way out for them. It will only get worse. As Trump's numbers continue to slide he'll only get more outrageous.

[txradioguy]

They've hitched their wagon and they're going all the way. There's no way out for them. It will only get worse. As Trump's numbers continue to slide he'll only get more outrageous.

It's his MO.  He did it to Cruz and he'll do it to Hillary.  Only this time his wild statements and false accusation will find no traction.

He's now dealing with a political party that has 71% of it's voters saying they'll vote for the woman even if she's indicted for a crime.

Orange Jesus won't have the luxury of 16 other people in the race to dilute the vote.

And a few more statements like what Donny just said...or another accusation that questions the integrity of the American Soldier...this mythical majority support for Trump will dry up too.