Man arrested at Trump rally says he wanted to kill candidate

[Silver Pines]

I've said all I'm going to say on this topic @CatherineofAragon.   I know you'd like to argue with me .... but I'm really have a great day, and I'm going to keep it that way.

 

Your response is exactly what I expected.

Let it be noted that you're completely unable to back up your hyper-emotional accusations with even a shred of fact.  Of course you knew that, but emoting and playing the victim just felt so good, didn't it?

[skeeter]

Actually, @Sanguine it says a lot about what's been said by #NeverTrumps for a long while.  Maybe you've grown numb to it, maybe you agree with it, but I am not numb nor am I in agreement.

Go back and read what's been written about Trump and his supporters.  There is a viciousness that would frighten the less strong.

Perhaps you'll see the need and now have a reason to ask your #NeverTrump friends to tone it down, to make a point without moving out of the light.

Just a suggestion.  Do with it what you will.

One might think you are trying to use the actions of one addled freak to tamp down political points of view with which you disagree.

[Silver Pines]

Thats just that vicarious living we were talking about earlier. Between all the projection and vicarious living, I often wonder lately if there are actual, real people behind these names at all. They won't stand on principle and mock any who do. They project their own crew's behaviors on everyone but their own crew, they look up to and promote a candidate whose ever utterance is a negotiable suggestion and is at this time in court for defrauding people.

Talk about reality avoidance. Is there - A N Y T H I N G - 'REAL" -  about these people at all?

If there is, my good friend, finding the "real" in some of them (not all) is like trying to nail Jello to a tree.

[LMAO]

I do not hate Trump. I do not wish ill on him or his loved ones. I do not wish for his death. I've never called him Hitler, or the Anti Christ, or Mussolini.

If there is one shout out I can give to Trump is his willingness to poke his finger in the eyes of political correctness.

My opposition to him is strictly ideological.  I believe he will be another big government Republican with predictable results. His past statements and positions and even the slowly creeping out current ones prove that. In 1980, Reagan spoke often of limited government and liberty. I know. I was there. Trump rarely, if ever, does. I have never voted for a candidate nor supported one because I believed they would be the only ones to "save America". People who say that make me wonder if they are looking for a one man strongman.

The debt and deficits will increase under Trump. That's a fact. Here's one reason why.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/19/donald-trump-taxes-save-social-security/

Our federal debt is over 100% of GDP. Both SS and Medicare are facing insolvency due to many factors the main one being demographics with trillions in unfunded liability. Donald Trump once made the ridiculous statement that he would pay off the debt in eight years but has backed away from that. His supporters never questioned it.  In order to get this country back on sound economic and fiscal footing, deep, across the board cuts are necessary. It will be painful, but in the long term, it's going to have to happen. And that includes SS and Medicare.

I want my candidate to differentiate himself from the Democrat candidate. Not try to match him/her

Opposition to a candidate does not equate a death wish for that candidate. I hope they lock this guy up and throw away the key 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Your response is exactly what I expected.   Let it be noted that you're completely unable to back up your hyper-emotional accusations with even a shred of fact.  Of course you knew that, but emoting and playing the victim just felt so good, didn't it?

Let it be noted @CatherineofAragon that I am not required to try and back up what I say to your peculiar satisfaction.  And I shall not.

Let it also be noted that @CatherineofAragon doth protest too much.   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

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According to various news outlets, including the Telegraph and the New York Post, Guzman seemed to be taunting authorities and threatening Trump while on the run.

Obviously the UK is not sending us their best and brightest.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The fact that you say you believe this says a lot about you, not @CatherineofAragon.  And, it's the sort of thing you don't say unless you have some solid evidence that it is the case - something like your target saying "I wish he was dead", "I wish someone would just shoot him", etc.  Making this kind of stuff up out of thin air is beyond the pale.

Sweetie, ah @Sanguine.... I never said in any way that the #nevertrumps her wish he was dead or wished someone would shoot him.

Try to keep it honest---if it's in you.

[Norm Lenhart]

Let it be noted @CatherineofAragon that I am not required to try and back up what I say to your peculiar satisfaction.  And I shall not.

Let it also be noted that @CatherineofAragon doth protest too much.   

Not the first time you cut and ran. Not the first time you refused to prove your assertions. Most often as in this case, you dont even try.

The best part is that while you earn points with your crew, your performances impact far more lurkers who see that Trump supporters are a lot like their candidate. And so they find another candidate to support.

So by all means, keep doing what you do.

[Sanguine]

Sweetie, ah @Sanguine.... I never said in any way that the #nevertrumps her wish he was dead or wished someone would shoot him.

Try to keep it honest---if it's in you.

@Right_in_Virginia, your statement is patently untrue.  Have you already forgotten what you wrote?

And, for the record, don't call me a liar again. 

[Norm Lenhart]

If there is, my good friend, finding the "real" in some of them (not all) is like trying to nail Jello to a tree.

They remind me of so called 'Moderate Muslims". That crew doesn't speak out against their fanatics either. They just sit quietly and let the outspoken do their damage for them.

Truth is what it is. If someone ever sees a Trump supporter here or anywhere else rein in these fanatics, ping me because I want to be a witness to history.

[ExFreeper]

UPDATE

Authorities: UK man arrested at rally planned to kill Trump

AP - By MICHELLE RINDELS and ADAM KEALOHA CAUSEY


A British man arrested at a weekend Donald Trump rally in Las Vegas tried to grab a police officer's gun so he could kill the presidential candidate after planning an assassination for about a year, according to authorities.

U.S. Secret Service agents said Michael Steven Sandford approached a Las Vegas police officer at the campaign stop to say he wanted Trump's autograph, but that he then tried to take the weapon.

A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Sandford, 20, with an act of violence on restricted grounds. He was denied bail during a court appearance later in the day. His court-appointed attorney said he was living out of his car and in the country illegally after overstaying a visa.

Sandford has not entered a plea.

The arrest happened relatively quietly at a campaign stop seen as peaceful compared to the mayhem at the presumptive Republican nominee's recent events in San Jose, California, and Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Gregg Donovan was among about 1,500 gathered Saturday to see Trump at the Treasure Island casino on the Las Vegas Strip. For the event, he donned the top hat and red jacket that made him recognizable in his former job as swanky Beverly Hills' official greeter for more than a decade.

Donovan said he didn't know about the charge against Sandford until he saw news reports. But he recognized him because the two had stood in line together for nine hours waiting to get into the Trump event. Sandford even held Donovan's spot in line for a bathroom break.

"I was No. 5, and he was No. 4," Donovan said.

They spoke, Donovan said, though Sandford didn't say much and seemed "strange." Donovan didn't elaborate on what made Sandford seem odd.

After waiting, they passed through metal detectors manned by Secret Service, police and casino security officials.

Federal Magistrate Judge George Foley said in court Monday that Sandford was a potential danger to the community and a flight risk. Sandford wore leg irons and appeared to tremble during the hearing.

Heather Fraley, his assigned public defender, said Sandford appeared to be competent. She said he hadn't been diagnosed with a mental illness but that he has autism and previously attempted suicide. He doesn't have a job.

Sandford's mother told court researchers that he was treated for obsessive compulsive disorder and anorexia when he was younger, and that he once ran away from a hospital in England, according to the public defender.

Fraley argued that Sandford should go to a halfway house because he didn't have a criminal history, but the judge said he should stay in detention ahead of a July 5 court date.

Agents said Sandford told them he had been in the U.S. for about a year and a half, lived in Hoboken, New Jersey, and drove to the San Bernardino, California, area before coming to Las Vegas on June 16.

Sandford told officers he was convinced he would die in the assassination attempt. He said he also reserved a ticket for a Trump rally in Phoenix, scheduled for later Saturday, as a backup plan.

The criminal complaint said Sandford was arrested after grabbing the handle of an officer's gun while trying to remove it from a holster.

Sandford told authorities that he went to the Battlefield Vegas shooting range the day before the rally and fired 20 rounds from a 9mm Glock pistol to learn how to use it. Police detectives who visited the range spoke with an employee who confirmed that he provided Sandford shooting lessons, according to the complaint signed by Secret Service Special Agent Joseph Hall.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_ATTEMPTED_ATTACK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-21-07-37-27

[thackney]

Sweetie, ah @Sanguine.... I never said in any way that the #nevertrumps her wish he was dead or wished someone would shoot him.

After witnessing the pure venomous hatred so many in the  #NeverTrump  group have displayed over and over and over again for Donald Trump, it does not require emotion to think this group would celebrate the death of Donald Trump.  It requires logic.

Perhaps a link back to your own words would help.

The claims that those not wanting D. Trump president want him dead is silly.

[Silver Pines]

Let it be noted @CatherineofAragon that I am not required to try and back up what I say to your peculiar satisfaction.  And I shall not.

Let it also be noted that @CatherineofAragon doth protest too much.   

Thought you'd said all you were going to say?

No, you're not required to back up your overwrought accusations...you're perfectly free to throw them around and look as foolish and as deliberately dishonest as you want.

[Norm Lenhart]

Perhaps a link back to your own words would help.

The claims that those not wanting D. Trump president want him dead is silly.

What else can they do to distract from their willing choice to back a fraud? They have to say things as unsupported and outrageous as that fraud. They figure since they were stupid enough to go along with lies that others are likewise lacking in morality and intelligence.

You may have noticed that when caught, they deny their words when shown to them, making excuses about how we 'misinterpret' things, then leave the thread, only to repeat the process time and again.

Rinse, repeat. Just like their candidate. They are not responsible. It's everyone's fault but theirs.

[Silver Pines]

They remind me of so called 'Moderate Muslims". That crew doesn't speak out against their fanatics either. They just sit quietly and let the outspoken do their damage for them.

Truth is what it is. If someone ever sees a Trump supporter here or anywhere else rein in these fanatics, ping me because I want to be a witness to history.

Points well taken.

Also, if a Cruz supporter had behaved in this manner, I know without a doubt that we would have called him out on it.

[Norm Lenhart]

Points well taken.

Also, if a Cruz supporter had behaved in this manner, I know without a doubt that we would have called him out on it.

We've done it. I know I called a couple Freepers on some insane crap said on Cruz' behalf. I'd bet many of us have.

Oddly, those so called out later became Pro Trump...imagine that. Fanaticism seems to flow in one direction.

[libertybele]

It seems that the Trump supporters continue to prove that they are just as bombastic as he is with their false accusations and innuendos.   

[XenaLee]

What else can they do to distract from their willing choice to back a fraud? They have to say things as unsupported and outrageous as that fraud. They figure since they were stupid enough to go along with lies that others are likewise lacking in morality and intelligence.

You may have noticed that when caught, they deny their words when shown to them, making excuses about how we 'misinterpret' things, then leave the thread, only to repeat the process time and again.

Rinse, repeat. Just like their candidate. They are not responsible. It's everyone's fault but theirs.

Has anyone here, besides me, seen and noticed the similarity between what you just pointed out re: the Trump supporters' standard routine......and the standard routine and shtick of your average and typical lib-leftie?  I've observed that same action from lefties on the internet for almost two decades now.  Odd, eh?

[Mod2]

It seems this thread is going to be locked if it doesn't get back on topic.

[Norm Lenhart]

Has anyone here, besides me, seen and noticed the similarity between what you just pointed out re: the Trump supporters' standard routine......and the standard routine and shtick of your average and typical lib-leftie?  I've observed that same action from lefties on the internet for almost two decades now.  Odd, eh?

I have said the same thing about every 'lesser evil' supporter and group thereof going back many years. The Trump crew is just this year's model. And you are 100% correct. It is textbook liberal tactics for disrupting almost any conversation, position, etc. Because it is the very same people.

[R4 TrumPence]

No one on this site wants Any harm to come to Donald Trump.
Just as no one would wish harm to anyone!
@happytobeme think before you post. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you posted that without thinking it would incite the other side,
BUT IF YOU DID that is just not right.
we are not the DU, where they want all Republicans to meet an untimely death!!!!

FOR EVERYONE:
Please think before you hit post! Ask yourself, is this going to cause a food fight and get the mods involved and a thread locked?

[HonestJohn]

Japan doesn't like foreign devils and doesn't believe non-Japanese should get citizenship. A country that thinks pre-teens are good sex objects is not a rational country.

Don't forget the tentacles, either.

Mmmm.... tentacles.  (sorry, not going to post pics... not gunna do it... no way)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tentacle_erotica