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The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« on: June 19, 2016, 01:29:54 pm »
SOURCE: NATIONAL REVIEW

URL: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436788/hillarys-weak-electoral-math

by: by Josh Gelernter



Among Republicans who support Trump, there’s a lot of concern that Gary Johnson will win enough Republican votes to swing close states to the Democrats. But there’s a way Trump can use Johnson to take states away from Hillary. In fact, with the right approach, Trump can deny Hillary any chance of wining the Electoral College.

And remember: If no candidate has a majority in the Electoral College, the election goes to the House of Representatives, where each state delegation has one vote. Of those delegations, 32 are majority-Republican, 15 are majority-Democratic, and three are tied.

At the moment, general-election polling has Johnson hovering around 10 percent. That’s 5 percentage points too little to make it into the presidential debate, but it’s enough, in theory, to swing a swing state one way or the other.

Because the Libertarian platform is much closer to the Republican platform than to the Democratic, the conventional wisdom is that Johnson will pull many more votes from Trump than from Clinton. And that will probably prove to be the case. But if Trump’s campaign is willing to try something radical — and the evidence suggests it is — it can use Johnson to keep Hillary out of the White House.

And to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House, what strategies shouldn’t we consider?

At the moment, there is limited general-election polling that includes Johnson; a Trump–Clinton–Johnson race has been polled in only a handful of states. And, this long before the election, what polling there is is suspect. Nonetheless, it’s worth noting that there are three solid Democratic states in which polling shows support for Johnson exceeding Clinton’s lead over Trump.

Which means that if Trump’s supporters were to vote Johnson, Hillary could be denied those states’ reliably Democratic electoral votes.

In New Mexico, where Johnson was governor for eight years, he’s currently polling at 14 percent, while Clinton leads Trump by 8. In Michigan, Johnson is at 12, while Clinton leads Trump by 4. In Connecticut, Johnson is at 6, with Clinton leading Trump by 5.

If these numbers are right (and if they don’t change too much before November), Trump could take New Mexico, Michigan, and Connecticut from Hillary by asking his supporters to vote strategically, for Johnson. Those three states combined have 28 electoral votes. Denying Hillary those 28 votes would mean she could (among swing states) win Colorado, Nevada, Virginia, Florida, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire and still fail to win a majority in the Electoral College. In which case the House would elect either Johnson or (much more likely) Trump.

While there’s no Trump–Clinton–Johnson polling yet in Maine, Minnesota, Oregon, or Washington, Johnson’s support might well exceed Hillary’s lead over Trump in those states as well — Romney did better in each of those states than in Connecticut, and each has a libertarian streak to it. They have a total of 33 electoral votes; combined with the votes of Michigan, Connecticut, and New Mexico, that’s 61 total. If Trump were able to tip all those states to Johnson, Hillary could win every single swing state but North Carolina, and still fail to win an Electoral College majority. Which, again, would send the vote to the House (and, again, Hillary would certainly lose).

So why wouldn’t Hillary, by the same token, try to use Johnson to tip Georgia, Arizona, or Utah away from Trump? She could, of course — but unlike Trump (or Johnson), who would be backed up by a Republican House, she can win only if she achieves an outright electoral majority. So there wouldn’t be any point. All she’d succeed in doing would be running down her vote total.

Such a general-election strategy would be highly unorthodox. There would be some playing with fire involved. But that’s something Trump has proved very willing to do.

And remember: Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich tried the same thing (more or less) in the primaries. It worked in Ohio. Someone call the Trump campaign.

— Josh Gelernter writes weekly for NRO and is a regular contributor to The Weekly Standard.

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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2016, 01:41:01 pm »
Interesting but I think highly highly unlikely. Thinking isn't Donny's style is it?

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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 06:57:32 pm »
Eric the paid anti-Trump presstitute wants to trick Trump supporters into voting for 3rd party. Not happening.
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Trump is for America First.
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 07:12:43 pm »
Eric the paid anti-Trump presstitute wants to trick Trump supporters into voting for 3rd party. Not happening.
You have the wrong guy. Do you even read bylines?

Besides, Trump's ego is too big, and his mind too small, to even grasp the concept of "strategic voting."
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 10:33:31 pm »
You have the wrong guy. Do you even read bylines?

Besides, Trump's ego is too big, and his mind too small, to even grasp the concept of "strategic voting."
Yeah RedState.
Trump is for America First.
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 11:21:21 pm »
If the 32 House state delegations remain in GOP hands, how strong a conservative are those GOP'ers.  If they are very conservative, they could in all theory vote for the 3rd place guy, if it happens to be Darrell Castle.  If they aren't then they prove that the GOP is just another left wing organization.
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 11:35:10 pm »

Johnson was Governor, yet only polls at 14%  ??

His platform that is according to the author, closer to the GOP:

--Abortion on demand
--Open borders
--Legalize many drugs
--Cut military spending by 43%
--Same sex marriage

The author is not putting up much of a credible case for anything at all. I have followed the LP for years, and they get more off-beat as time passes.
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2016, 12:20:34 am »
Yeah RedState.
Nothing in that article says "RedState."

However, there is this:
— Josh Gelernter writes weekly for NRO and is a regular contributor to The Weekly Standard.

At least get your cut-and-paste right.
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2016, 01:34:27 am »
Johnson was Governor, yet only polls at 14%  ??

His platform that is according to the author, closer to the GOP:

--Abortion on demand
--Open borders
--Legalize many drugs
--Cut military spending by 43%
--Same sex marriage

The author is not putting up much of a credible case for anything at all. I have followed the LP for years, and they get more off-beat as time passes.

Johnson's stand on abortion is not "abortion on demand."  I've told you this before. 
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2016, 02:10:44 am »
Johnson's stand on abortion is not "abortion on demand."  I've told you this before.

    Don't require insurers to provide birth control. (May 2012)
    No federal funding for stem cell research. (Jan 2012)
    Women's right to choose until fetal viability. (Jun 2011)
    Right to choose up until viability of the fetus. (May 2011)
    Leave the decision up to the woman. (Jan 2001)


http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Yeah thats on demand.
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Re: The Electoral Math against Hillary Clinton
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2016, 02:29:38 pm »
    Don't require insurers to provide birth control. (May 2012)
    No federal funding for stem cell research. (Jan 2012)
    Women's right to choose until fetal viability. (Jun 2011)
    Right to choose up until viability of the fetus. (May 2011)
    Leave the decision up to the woman. (Jan 2001)


http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Yeah thats on demand.
It's also the exact same position that the Supreme Court has already stated is the law of the land. No elected official can change that, like it or not.
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