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Historic Orthodox meet marred by Russian no show
« on: June 19, 2016, 12:31:23 pm »
Historic Orthodox meet marred by Russian no show
By AFP     51 mins ago in World

Orthodox churches from around the world met in Greece Sunday for the first such gathering in a millennium, but the absence of several branches of the communion threatened to mar the event.

The religious leaders celebrated Orthodox Pentecost in the town of Heraklion on Crete where a "divine liturgy" was given as part of the gathering that will last until June 27.

Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew called the so-called Holy and Great Council on issues including wedlock, fasting, and united representation in dioceses in countries such as the United States and Australia.

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Offline The_Reader_David

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Re: Historic Orthodox meet marred by Russian no show
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2016, 01:25:53 pm »
The article is a bit illiterate on the matter, as is most reporting in Western media.  Why is the normative name of the primary service of Orthodox worship in scare (or scorn) quotes and not capitalized as is normal? 

The article also makes it sound like the decision of the Patriarchate of Moscow to not attend influenced Georgia and Bulgaria, actually it was the other way around.  Bulgaria and Antioch were the first to announce they would not attend -- and there were more reasons for Antioch not attending than the appointment of a bishop for Qatar (part of Antioch's historical ecclesiastical territory) by the Patriarch of Jerusalem and the refusal of the Ecumenical Patriarch to include the matter on the agenda of the council, reasons paralleling Georgia and the Slavic churches objections.  Georgia was next, and Serbia, which the article omits mention of also announced that they would not attend, the monks on Mount Athos wrote scathing critiques of the documents which, according to the rules of the council simply had to be voted up or down, with one vote per local church (a procedure quite contrary to the normal Orthodox conciliar procedure of one vote per bishop, with unanimity expected), all before Russia took the decision not to attend early last week.

The main problems with the council as proposed were that it didn't address really pressing issues (the Jerusalemites in Qatar and the state of the Orthodox Church in places like the US where in violation of the ancient canons there are multiple bishops with overlapping territories), came to modernist "solutions" to the problems it did address -- hence the critique from Mount Athos and the walk-out by all the more traditional local churches -- and would have the main effect of making it look like the Ecumenical Patriarch was an Orthodox Pope, since the council rules make it impossible to decide anything contrary to what the E.P. had put on the agenda (when a contrary decision was exactly what should have happened on a number of points).

And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Re: Historic Orthodox meet marred by Russian no show
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 01:48:42 pm »
The article is a bit illiterate on the matter, as is most reporting in Western media.  Why is the normative name of the primary service of Orthodox worship in scare (or scorn) quotes and not capitalized as is normal?   

Very good to see you posting here and bringing actual factual information to the dog's dinner of a "news story."

Did you find it as interesting as I did that, when he visited Athos, that Putin was given a seat of honor, while the Greek PM was relegated to standing with the faithful?

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Re: Historic Orthodox meet marred by Russian no show
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2016, 02:04:01 pm »
I was mistaken about the Church of Serbia.  I had read a statement from the Holy Synod of Serbia highly critical of the council's procedures and some of the draft documents, and a report they would not attend, but evidently either the report was in error, or they changed their mind at the last minute and decided sitting in opposition at the council would be better than boycotting.
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.