What ISIS Really Wants

[Leto]

Very good article about ISIS, this article is a few months old. I though ti relevant today
because of the spinning of the latest attack as "not representative of Islam" meme of the lefties.


Very worthwhile read.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

What is the islamic state?

Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.


The group seized Mosul, Iraq, last June, and already rules an area larger than the United Kingdom. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been its leader since May 2010, but until last summer, his most recent known appearance on film was a grainy mug shot from a stay in U.S. captivity at Camp Bucca during the occupation of Iraq. Then, on July 5 of last year, he stepped into the pulpit of the Great Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul, to deliver a Ramadan sermon as the first caliph in generations—upgrading his resolution from grainy to high-definition, and his position from hunted guerrilla to commander of all Muslims. The inflow of jihadists that followed, from around the world, was unprecedented in its pace and volume, and is continuing.

Our ignorance of the Islamic State is in some ways understandable: It is a hermit kingdom; few have gone there and returned. Baghdadi has spoken on camera only once. But his address, and the Islamic State’s countless other propaganda videos and encyclicals, are online, and the caliphate’s supporters have toiled mightily to make their project knowable. We can gather that their state rejects peace as a matter of principle; that it hungers for genocide; that its religious views make it constitutionally incapable of certain types of change, even if that change might ensure its survival; and that it considers itself a harbinger of—and headline player in—the imminent end of the world.


The Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (isis), follows a distinctive variety of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy, and can help the West know its enemy and predict its behavior. Its rise to power is less like the triumph of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (a group whose leaders the Islamic State considers apostates) than like the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.

We have misunderstood the nature of the Islamic State in at least two ways. First, we tend to see jihadism as monolithic, and to apply the logic of al-Qaeda to an organization that has decisively eclipsed it. The Islamic State supporters I spoke with still refer to Osama bin Laden as “Sheikh Osama,” a title of honor. But jihadism has evolved since al-Qaeda’s heyday, from about 1998 to 2003, and many jihadists disdain the group’s priorities and current leadership.






I posted this article on a board where the topic is football but they have a political section. The libs are raving about gun control.


You might enjoy seeing what I deal with. I am patsfan13 there.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/mass-casualities-in-florida-bar.1130822/

[ABX]

To really understand ISIS, one has to study their roots- the Islamic Ba'ath Party of Syria.

They want nothing less than a single, unified, Arab Islamic state. We see their religious extremism, but we often don't understand their political motivations. The rabid gangs you see burning buildings and massacring people are a just a tool for a bigger purpose.

[SZonian]

So fakebook, google and other internet "providers" are willingly helping Euro governments censor "anti-islam" material, but this kind of garbage is still flowing through the internet unfettered?

Running out of "boxes"...

[Dartman]

And at his press conference yesterday, Obama still insisted on calling them "ISIL". There's a reason ...

[geronl]

What they want... what they really really want....

Spice Girls!

[WAC]

To really understand ISIS, one has to study their roots- the Islamic Ba'ath Party of Syria.

They want nothing less than a single, unified, Arab Islamic state. We see their religious extremism, but we often don't understand their political motivations. The rabid gangs you see burning buildings and massacring people are a just a tool for a bigger purpose.

Many of the former Bath party Military Generals under Saddam head up Isis Units ......and likely other areas of conflict..... But as with the 'Bath Party' you cannot understand the Islam State without also understanding the 'Muslim Brotherhood political agenda .......and both motivate and control their fighters based on "Apocalyptic Islamic eschatology"..........if our generals would read up on that then they would also understand why Syria and the Caliphat are so significant.....they often have the most violent firefights in cities and locations based on the demographics and names of cities  in that Islamic Eschatology.......

Islam is a serious threat, but it’s not the most dangerous threat the West faces. 'Apocalyptic Islam is far more dangerous......
'Radical Islam 'seeks to attack us.....' Apocalyptic Islam' seeks to 'annihilate us'.......

Apocalyptic Islam ......(such as the top leaders of Iran, and the leaders of the Islamic State) do not merely seek to drive infidels out of their region. They are 'driven' by ancient Islamic prophecies. .......They believe the End of Days is at hand, that their messiah (known as the Mahdi) will come at any moment to establish an Islamic kingdom or caliphate that will rule over the entire globe,.... and that the way to hasten the coming of the Mahdi is to annihilate the infidels who refuse to submit to their brand of Islam.

Radical Islam..... (al Qaeda, Hamas, the Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood, etc) uses violence for the purpose of persuading Jews, Christians and other so-called "infidels" to withdraw from -- and leave entirely -- the holy lands and holy places they consider their own, namely the Middle East and North Africa.



The bottom line is most of their 'fighters' would not be fighting if it weren't for Islamic teachings....and the Military and Imams clearly know this......without Islamic teachings they would have no power to move these people.......

Our current Military leaders should take a page out of the Generals and Leaders who have fought the Muslims in the past.....they have to be defeated and contained.......there is no other way because their entire mindset, from infancy to adult is a brainwashed culture and society overall.....and that defeat needs to be done in the East.

[WAC]

And at his press conference yesterday, Obama still insisted on calling them "ISIL". There's a reason ...

Obama has too many global leanings,  a Muslim background and world view attained throughout his upbringing both at home and in his education ,  to see anything other than thru those lenses.... Which is why he is NOT committed fully to America's interests. ..nor can he be. ..he never has been anyone other than an individual who believes America is the problem in the world and he's going to change that and transform this nation to something else.

His immigration polices have always been to increasingly bring 3rd world people to this country to change the "face" of it .....and in doing so change the political climate to suit the global agenda for this nation.......he's not only for the Global Agenda...he has always been an instrument they use to force our people to adapt to that agenda......and this by silencing our resistance to that. Which is also the Demorats Agenda...as well as Many in the Republican party.,

It's been said, and I do believe it for 'the evidence', that there has been a 'silent coup' going on in our government for sometime. The ONLY way this nation can be conquered is thru it's political system ...........change those and you can let the world in from every nation in sufficient numbers to oppose true Americans...and therefore the nation will not be strong enough to oppose.

[The_Reader_David]

And at his press conference yesterday, Obama still insisted on calling them "ISIL". There's a reason ...

Yes, there is.  ISIL is the acronym for the accurate English translation of the group's Arabic name, in which the last word is Sham.  Al Sham does not mean Syria, it means the Levant.  Heck in Arabic the Sh is not even the same letter as S.  Rendering it as S and claiming it stands for Syria understates the threat posed by the group because it understates their ambition.  Personally I prefer staying in Arabic when making the acronym and calling them the Daesh, which really pisses off Al Baghdadi's crew since it sounds like several rude words in Arabic.

[Dartman]

Al Sham does not mean Syria, it means the Levant. 

The Levant is a geographic area which includes Israel. Obama has to include that, spread the blame around, you know.
This wolf does not even bother to wear sheep's clothing.