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Of course not....not as an agency by itself.

It's the Director...who follows Administration policy.  The DOJ...FBI and the DHS are politicized.

So James Comey is OK with letting terrorists go free.
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Perhaps nothing.

What I think is people who want lax security are in part responsible for these times. 

So, Trump's policies could well have stopped these.

Tunisia's government has shut down Mosques, Mosques teaching radicalism. Good luck calling their government racist.

So you want more intrusive government.  We know Trump does, so you must agree with him.

Again, what policies of Trump would have stopped the Orlando massacre?  Or is that just some vague hope of yours?

Trump has no policies that would stop an American citizen from shooting up a nightclub, or a church, or anywhere else.   You may as well face that.

We have a Constitution and we don't ban religious practice in this country.  That's why we're America and Tunisia is, well, Tunisia.
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ISIS 'kill list' targets Palm Beach, Treasure Coast residents: Ex-FBI agent
By Kathleen Walter Wednesday, June 8th 2016
http://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/isis-kill-list-targets-palm-beach-treasure-coast-residents-ex-fbi-agent
 
FILE - ISIS 'Kill List' Targets Palm Beach, Treasure Coast Residents according to an ex-FBI agent Wednesday, June 8, 2016. (MGN Online)
 

WEST PALM BEACH (CBS12) — A pro-Isis group has released a hit list with the names of more than 8,000 peoplemostly Americans.

More than 600-people live in Florida, and one security expert believes that many of those targeted live in Palm Beach County and on the Treasure Coast.
 

The "United Cyber Caliphate" that hacked U.S. Central Command, 54,000 Twitter accounts and threatened President Barack Obama is the same pro-Isis group that's reportedly created a "kill list" with the names, addresses and emails of thousands of civilian Americans.

Reports of the list came to light online when Vocativ reported the list was shared via the encrypted app, Telegram, and called on supporters to kill.

Former FBI agent-turned lawyer Stuart Kaplan says the threat is especially alarming, because the people on this list are civilians who don't have the security necessary to protect themselves.

"It's going to create some hysteria," he said.

Kaplan believes civilians from our community are on the list.

"I would suspect a head of a hospital or, perhaps, a local community leader. Those are the individuals that may appear on the list--or just a local banker or local school teacher--someone who, for some reason, was in the public eye."

Kaplan is concerned the list will inspire "lone wolf" style attacks.

"If in fact a sympathizer gets ahold of this list and is readily able to identify you as being his neighbor and, then, decides (because they're a sympathizer) to go out and do something horrific to you, there is no way to calculate the potential or to prevent that."

The list has not yet been made public.

We reached out to the FBI, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office and Martin County Sheriff's Office to see how credible they view the threat and what action they might be taking.

We are awaiting their response.

According to the Martin County Sheriffs office,the FBI is aware of this and the agency will work closely with the Joint-Terrorism Task Force to keep citizens safe.
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Talk about poor initial judgment on her part. Thankfully she escaped mostly unharmed from it.

A woman should never rush into a marriage that quickly with a man that secretive. I am a firm believer in the notion that you have to build a relationship over at least several months, usually years, before you get to that point. But weeks? With that kind of personality that screams of having secrets to hide? That should have set off huge red flags in her head, but alas it didn't.

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That's a stereotype. I work with three Muslims who are observing Ramadan and who will no doubt be horrified by this.  And they know they'll be looked at sideways for a while even though they would never agree with something like this.

Maybe the guy was just anti-gay.   That sentiment is not limited to Muslims.

The populations have grown in many of the countries listed, but the end results of the percentages is still accurate.
Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 1.8%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 5.2%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrassas. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
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The list has not yet been made public.

I wonder if those on the list have been informed so they can protect themselves.
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That just re-enforces a non-conservative.

One cannot be a conservative if one is not socially conservative.  Period.

I have zero problem with gay marriage but I am strong 2nd amend, want strong borders, sick of PC culture, small gov't on and on.

Limbaugh's 4 marriages  and Newt's adultery and multiple marriages has hurt the sanctity of marriage more than two women who have been living together for 30 years and want to get married but I don't see conservatives railing against Limbaugh and Newt

You see...the real issue is the elites throwing you  the gay marriage bone to keep your mind of the fact they have destroyed the American dream through globalism but some are just too plain dumb to see it.


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Witnesses said he fired relentlessly - 20 rounds, 40, then 50 and more. Pictured  the damaged rear wall of the nightclub .





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When Obama said..."Americans" have to ask themselves if this the type of country they want to have"....I was livid!!!!!

What a B*stard!! ...As if Americans were collectively to blame for this Islamic creep who massacured all these people in cold blood!....

He tried oh so hard to divert attention away from the killer for what happened on order to "correct" what he sees is wrong with us!

I cannot way til this man is gone from our House never to return! ....It cannot be too soon!

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"If the Left has some fantasy going that they can 'reform Islam', they need to let go of that immediately, before they get themselves killed, and many of us along with them."

There is a contingent of members in this forum who believe in exactly the same thing.  ;)

Reforming Islam is possible, but unfortunately both for the rest of us and for the Muslims themselves, only if Islam as a military movement is handed a defeat on the order of that handed the Imperial Japanese in WW II and the pre-Menno Anabaptists (who much to the horror of both Latins and other protestants purposed to establish their notion of the Kingdom of God on Earth by force of arms) during the Thirty Years War.  Both Imperial Shinto (which also inspired young men to serve as guidance systems for bombs) and Anabaptism turned pacificist after crushing and quite horrific military defeats -- the well-known atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki following on the slow grinding down of the Imperial Japanese fleet and army, and the less-well-known Seige of Muenster.

As for the left or anyone on this board reforming Islam, not bloody likely -- the left doesn't have the stones to do what needs to be done, and those of us posting to this board don't have control of either the military or the bully pulpit even if we'd have the will and strategic clarity to attempt the job.
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I read in the comments that he voted for Obama both times.

The LA suspect is supposedly 20 years old- not old enough to have voted either time.
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Orlando Terrorist: The Most Gun Control-Compliant Shooter in History?

by Logan Churchwell12 Jun 201663

TAMPA, FLORIDA — President Barack Obama’s immediate leveraging of the atrocious Islamic terror attack in Orlando toward new gun control reforms may be predictable — yet the circumstances involving the professional background of Omar S. Mateen could prove a breaking point for his fellow anti-gun activists. As the debate eventually moves toward the Second Amendment, activists must answer how the most prevalent mass shooter in American history cleared background checks, medical examination, registration and dozens of hours of mandated training.

“We have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well,” President Obama noted in a White House press conference today. The Administration’s typical pivot toward promoting background checks, health evaluations and related registration procedures will likely not see as much air time in the days ahead – for good reason.

Florida resident Omar S. Mateen was registered by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services as a private security officer with an additional Class G Firearm License. Compared to a standard civilian concealed carry permit issued by the same Department, Mateen was required to undergo the full battery of common gun control measures floated after mass shootings.

Before acquiring a Class G permit, Mateen completed the requirements for the prerequisite Class D protocol. The Basic Security Officer Training process requires the completion of a 40 hour course over four consecutive days by a school or instructor licensed by the State of Florida. Mateen had to clear a criminal background check to satisfy the requirements and be legally able to work in the United States. He was required to renew his Class D Security license annually. Breitbart Texas’ review of Mateen’s Class D record found that license number D2723758 was set to expire on September 14, 2017.

Mateen’s Class G firearm license was far more detailed. The gunman completed an additional 28 hours of guided instruction focusing on legal statutes governing the permit and responsibilities therein (12 hours); operational safety and firearm mechanics (8 hours); and a firearms qualification exam in a shooting range for eight hours. He passed a 96-round shooting proficiency battery. Thereafter, Mateen’s criminal background was reviewed again pursuant to the application and submitted to a separate medical evaluation that certified he had no conditions that “would preclude [Mateen] from performing duties in an armed capacity.”

Class G licensees must register proofs of identity, citizenship/legal residency and fingerprints with application documents as well. Like Class D holders, Class G requires annual proficiency testing as well. Omar Mateen’s Class G license (G2704169) would have expired on September 13, 2017.

When executing his duties under the Class G license, Mateen could carry up to two semiautomatic pistols or revolvers ranging from .38 to .45 ACP calibers.

The .223 caliber assault rifle and 9mm pistol used in the mass shooting were confirmed to be legally purchased by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in a tweet published Sunday afternoon.

The Wall Street Journal reported that beyond the Florida licensing requirements, both previous FBI probes into Mateen’s conduct and potential terrorist connections could not be verified a threat worthy of further action.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/12/orlando-terrorist-gun-control-compliant-shooter-history/
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You are right on that age thing of this guy from Indiana, assuming his FB timeline is correct. I thought of that too.

May have been old enough and probably was in 2012 though,.
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We have a Constitution and we don't ban religious practice in this country.  That's why we're America and Tunisia is, well, Tunisia.

But their "religion" demands they either kill or subjugate you. Hello?

Dear Lord, man. Pull your head out. Are you telling us you're unable to distinguish between invasion and worshiping God?

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But their "religion" demands they either kill or subjugate you. Hello?

Dear Lord, man. Pull your head out. Are you telling us you're unable to distinguish between invasion and worshiping God?

Good point.

I like your avatar, I was looking at that painting the other day on the web, I think it's called "Free Speech".

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Good point.

I like your avatar, I was looking at that painting the other day on the web, I think it's called "Free Speech".
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Good point.

I like your avatar, I was looking at that painting the other day on the web, I think it's called "Free Speech".

 I like it because it depicts Joe Six-Pack, Joe the Plumber, an average American country bumpkin.  He may not be the most eloquent speaker or the quickest of wit....  But IF you give him some accurate information and a little time to think, he WILL make the correct decision.   

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Reports that Orlando shooter has been to Mecca and was very active at his mosque- as well as calling into 911 with message of solidarity with ISIS. Yet Obama is looking for a motive.
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So you want more intrusive government.  We know Trump does, so you must agree with him.

Again, what policies of Trump would have stopped the Orlando massacre?  Or is that just some vague hope of yours?

Trump has no policies that would stop an American citizen from shooting up a nightclub, or a church, or anywhere else.   You may as well face that.

We have a Constitution and we don't ban religious practice in this country.  That's why we're America and Tunisia is, well, Tunisia.
When  your religion endorses killing unbelievers and apostates and all the other crap Islam calls for  maybe it should be banned

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/florida-muslim-speaker-says-killing-gays-is-act-of-compassion
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When  your religion endorses killing unbelievers and apostates and all the other crap Islam calls for  maybe it should be banned

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/04/florida-muslim-speaker-says-killing-gays-is-act-of-compassion

Well, get busy organizing your amendment to overturn the First Amendment protection of freedom of religion.  I don't see rampant killing of unbelievers by American Muslims, but whatever.
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Well, get busy organizing your amendment to overturn the First Amendment protection of freedom of religion.  I don't see rampant killing of unbelievers by American Muslims, but whatever.

Many people say Islam is a Theocracy, meaning, including government as seen in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, a system of law such as Sharia.

I'd go along with that.

And I'd also go with a Constructionist view of the Constitution, what the framers meant.

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...I don't see rampant killing of unbelievers by American Muslims, but whatever.
That is an awful blind statement.  :osama: :2gunz:
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