Mass shooting and hostage taking at Orlando gay nightclub appears to be Islamic terrorism

[SirLinksALot]

SOURCE: HOTAIR.COM

URL: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/12/obama-calls-orlando-shooting-terrorism-then-pivots-to-gun-control/

by Taylor Millard


President Barack Obama is commenting about the horrible tragedy/terrorist attack in Orlando. Obama called the situation a terrorist attack, but didn’t try to get into the mind of the shooter, except to say he was “full of hate.”

   

We are still learning all the facts. This is an open investigation. We’ve reached no definitive judgment on the precise motivations of the killer. The FBI is appropriately investigating this as an act of terrorism. And I’ve directed that we must spare not effort to determine what, if any, inspiration or association this killer may have had with terrorist groups.

It’s not surprising Obama went with the line of “terrorism” without mentioning religion, because we don’t know what the motivation was just yet. Yes, it appears Omar Mateen may have had a connection to Islamic radicalism but we don’t 100% know this yet. Obama’s call for hesitance on trying to establish a motive isn’t a bad idea because it’s probably best to wait for the authorities to finish their investigation before leaping into blaming one group or another for what happened.

Yet the caution Obama seemed to show when it came to whether or not Mateen was a radical Islamist he completely threw out when it came to what was used to kill the club goers.

   

Today marks the most deadly shooting in American history. The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle. This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing, is a decision that’s wrong.

It’s also not surprising, and horribly misguided, to turn this into a discussion about gun control. We’re just barely 12 hours past an awful situation which has left people clamoring for answers while they try to process the grief they’re dealing with. This type of doublespeak by the President in urging for caution in blaming particular groups of people, yet immediately rushing to blaming the instrument used in the tragedy, is something he’s done time and time again. It is hypocritical for him to do this, and just shows how political he wants to make this tragedy (even if he might claim otherwise).

Maybe it’s human to immediately rush to blame in what caused terrorist attacks and mass shootings. The Left likes to rush towards blaming the gun in the Orlando shooting, just like they rushed towards blaming the gun in the awful shooting death of Christina Grimmie from The Voice. There are plenty on the Right who want to immediately rush to blaming religion or ideology for what happened, even though a motive hasn’t been reached yet. It’s understandable, but right now, maybe it’s best to try to support others, instead of rushing to point fingers.

[goatprairie]

Obama will blame the NRA probably

I was checking out DailyKook a few hours ago.  Naturally, they all blamed it on right wing gun nuts who refuse to revoke the 2nd amendment. Not one commenter mentioned radical Islam as a possible source of the carnage. But they might have some restriction concerning people mentioning Islam is a negative way. No problem blaming radical Christians though.
Even DummyUnderground had a number of posters and commenters blaming radical Islam. But DailyKook refuses to see the forest for the trees.

[WAC]

Fathers Home....

[WAC]

This photo of shooter looks like a mug shot...but couldn't find any explanation with it yet.....

[austingirl]

Right, Obama, let's not look at the Islamic terrorists own phone call pledging allegiance to ISIS-just go looking for that darned elusive motivation. Someone in Congress needs to look into why the FBI shut down the two FBI investigations into the perp.

[Victoria33]

It is already illegal in Florida for a gun to be carried in any establishment accommodating more than 50 people where alcohol is served.

Do you mean the killer "broke the law" by carrying his gun into a place where there are more than 50 people being served an alcoholic beverage?  It's obvious we need more gun laws.  Make every gun buyer sign a statement that he/she will not shoot a real person.  There, that fixed it!  Just as we can believe every promise Trump makes everyday (except for those promises he changes every day), we can be sure a person buying a gun and pledging not to shoot someone, means it.  Bovine scat.

This man was a security guard with firearm training.  This is going to keep happening in one form or another.  Passing more gun laws will not keep terrorists from getting guns and they really don't care how many persons are drinking in a bar - if they want they will take their guns into anywhere and start shooting. 

Good guys followed the law and did not have their guns in that place.  Bad guy ignored the law and took two guns inside and killed 50 people and wounded over 50.  Bad guy killed good guys who didn't bring their gun inside.

CVS pharmacy made a rule a while ago that no one can carry a weapon (concealed or not), in their stores.  I have not been in a CVS since then - I do not wish to be a free target for a person who ignores the rule and brings in a gun to kill people on an open range - kill them all as they can't have a gun in there.   

On another note but related:  My Catholic Church Father was an Army sniper.  Do you really want to guess he isn't armed under his Catholic robe - would you take that chance and try to shoot people in our church and live to tell about it?  Hint:  He practices his skill every hunting season.

[r9etb]

Just heard Rubio say that  now "it's Florida's turn".....

The insanity of our politicians to frame this as if every state will have to have "their turn". ...rather than address the FACT Ilsa is at war with this nation.....just as it has been for centuries. What part of "We will kill you" don't they understand??????

Amazing stupidity!

Ah, I don't know.... it's tough to talk in public about things like this without resorting to platitudes, tougher if you're a politician who will have to actually deal with the fallout.  I can put up with the platitudes - it's far better than trying to make political points while the bodies are still warm.

[WAC]

The shooter's ex-wife was interviewed by the WashPost and she described him as being "violent" and "unstable" and he physically abused her repeated during their marriage...they have a 3yr. old child.

[flowers]

Just heard Rubio say that  now "it's Florida's turn".....

The insanity of our politicians to frame this as if every state will have to have "their turn". ...rather than address the FACT Ilsa is at war with this nation.....just as it has been for centuries. What part of "We will kill you" don't they understand??????

Amazing stupidity!

What did Rubio mean by "it's Florida's turn"

[WAC]

Charlie Spiering ‏@charliespiering 6s6 seconds ago

Obama vows to “follow the facts” of terrorist attack - but made no mention of connection to radical Islamic terrorism or ISIS

This is going to end up being focused as a hate crime as his father and the press and Obama all are saying so. Obama played both sides calling it terror hate.

[WAC]

[geronl]

http://ktla.com/2016/06/12/man-with-weapons-possible-explosives-arrested-in-santa-monica-said-he-was-going-to-l-a-gay-pride-parade-report/

Interesting that a second similar "isolated incident" was prevented in California

[geronl]

apparently the man went overseas

FBI knew he was ISIS sympathizer

a second attack in California was prevented

CNN decides this means he was self-radicalized and this was not connected to anything else

[XenaLee]

Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque - WFTV 9 Orlando Report

This from April this year. Makes me wonder if we are really safe, when our law enforcement and stuff like this is out in public, with no consequence.

It seems we are being not only led but also have our security in the hands of very naïve people


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

Government is failing us on literally every level now.  Economic, health, and the most important function they have.....providing national security.  This nation needs a complete 'reset'.  Cause this, what we have now or what it has devolved into, isn't working.

[austingirl]

http://ktla.com/2016/06/12/man-with-weapons-possible-explosives-arrested-in-santa-monica-said-he-was-going-to-l-a-gay-pride-parade-report/

Interesting that a second similar "isolated incident" was prevented in California

There has been no ID of the LA perp which is suspicious. PC.

[rangerrebew]

MUSLIM TERRORIST ATTACK at Orlando Gay club, at least 50 dead, more than 53 wounded [UPDATES ADDED]

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/06/12/muslim-terrorist-attack-at-orlando-gay-club-at-least-50-dead-more-than-53-wounded/

The suspected Islamic terrorist, a US citizen of Afghan heritage, who killed at least 50 people and wounded 53 after taking 30 party-goers hostage inside a gay club in Orlando has been identified. Law enforcement sources have identified the shooter, who was wielding an assault rifle and a handgun, and possible explosive device, as a Muslim named Omar Saddiqui Mateen, from Port St. Lucie in Florida. Police are investigating the mass shooting as an act of Islamic terrorism.
His full name is Omar Mir Seddique Mateen – He is a registered Democrat. (my emphasis)

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CNN The shooter is not from the Orlando area, Mina said. He has been identified as Omar Saddiqui Mateen, 29, of Fort Pierce, about 120 miles southeast of Orlando, two law enforcement officials tell CNN. Orlando authorities said they consider the violence an act of domestic terror. The FBI is involved. While investigators are exploring all angles, they “have suggestions the individual has leanings towards (Islamic terrorism), but right now we can’t say definitely,” said Ron Hopper, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s Orlando bureau.

At least 50 people were killed inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, Orlando Police Chief John Mina and other officials said Sunday morning, just hours after a shooter opened fire in what appears to be the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.  At least 53 more people were injured, he said. Police have shot and killed the gunman, Mina told reporters.

Oh, here we go, Orlando imam tries to feed us the usual Muslim crap sandwich. “Let’s not rush to judgement.” “Need more gun control.” “Nothing to do with Islam.”

resm8-vi

UPDATE: Muslim shooter allegedly pledged loyalty to ISIS in a 911 call while in the nighclub
Washington Post  A U.S. official said that Department of Homeland Security reports being circulated to government authorities are “referring to local law enforcement reports saying the shooter pledged loyalty to ISIS and was heard praying in another language in the nightclub.”
The official said it is “unclear” when this alleged pledge to the militant group, also known as the Islamic State and ISIL, was made. “It could have been as simple as a statement shouted at police during the three-hour standoff,” the official said.


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[Fishrrman]

austingirl wrote above:
"Fox reporting that the police waited 3 hours before rescuing hostages."

I'm coming into the thread late, but...

Assuming that the Fox report is accurate - how can the police -- in a situation where a shooter (or multiple shooters) are inside a building massacring people -- wait hours before attempting to get inside and intervene?

What possible argument can be raised for doing so?

What if there had been two or more shooters, fully armed. Would it then have been 100-150 dead?

I'm not a member of law enforcement. But it seems to me that if you have a situation where one or more shooters are just killing individuals, firing freely, your number one priority is to "get in there" and STOP them from killing any more?

Jes' askin' ...

[Fishrrman]

AbaraXas wrote above:
"Omar was a licensed security guard with firearms license"

A quote that is appropriate:
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"Every 'moderate' Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a 'moderate' Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.
It is time to put an end to the charade of "moderate Islam." There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists - moderate, they are not."

-- Ali Sini
(Ali Sini is head of Faith Freedom International. FFI is a grassroots worldwide movement of ex-Muslims and all those who are concerned about the rise of the Islamic threat.)

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

The spin has started:



https://twitter.com/DavidKlion?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[ABX]

[livius]

What did Rubio mean by "it's Florida's turn"

Islamic terrorism seems to have hit most of or kore important states (New York, California, Texas) and now Florida has come to their attention - sort of like when a hurricane pattern shifts. I love in Florida, and I think this will be just the first. There's a lot of Muslims here, a lot of radical Islamist connection (don't forget the 9/11 terrorists spent time here) - and a lot of mass targets. I'm sure they'd like to hit the theme parks, but security is probably too high, so instead they picked a venue target in Orlando.

[flowers]

Islamic terrorism seems to have hit most of or kore important states (New York, California, Texas) and now Florida has come to their attention - sort of like when a hurricane pattern shifts. I love in Florida, and I think this will be just the first. There's a lot of Muslims here, a lot of radical Islamist connection (don't forget the 9/11 terrorists spent time here) - and a lot of mass targets. I'm sure they'd like to hit the theme parks, but security is probably too high, so instead they picked a venue target in Orlando.

Thanks.

[flowers]

FBI knew of the Shooter in 2013. Same year as The Boston Attack.

ATF also just said he legally purchased his weapons in this past week.

So FBI knew he was a problem, yet AFT let him buy weapons.

[austingirl]

FBI knew of the Shooter in 2013. Same year as The Boston Attack.

ATF also just said he legally purchased his weapons in this past week.

So FBI knew he was a problem, yet AFT let him buy weapons.

Why anyone would think the government will keep us safe is beyond me. The federal government is a bloated, inefficient and ineffective monster. The States need to take back many of its functions.

[Fishrrman]

Bilo wrote above (in response to Oceander):
"The underlying problem is islam. It teaches violence. It promotes doing violence. Our law enforcement receives little support from muslims and little information about what is going on inside mosques. While a majority of muslims are not going to go out and do violence there is no condemnation of it, or aggressive attempt to stop those that promote it or do it.
Ending immigration from muslim nations would be no different than not allowing large waves of immigrants from communist bloc countries into the USA during the cold war years."

Thanks for posting that, Bilo.

As I read the responses here, I'm gratified by how many forum members see islam for what it is -- in spite of attempts of a few here to defend it. It's obvious from reading above who those folks are.

But we must go beyond "seeing islam for what it is", and begin to consider what we as a civilization must do in order to defend ourselves from islam's onslaught.

You won't find many on this forum (or on other conservative forums) offering such suggestions. But I'm one of those unafraid to do so.
Aside:
Just today, I was branded "a nazi" in another thread for posting my thoughts on this subject.

Of course, the number one priority of The West is that muslims in dar al-harb must be returned to dar al-islam. To allow them to remain here, is the cultural equivalent of allowing known cancer cells (that might otherwise be excised) to remain in one's body. Perhaps those cells appear to be benign at the moment. But a moment later, they can metastasize into a clear and present danger to one's life.

Further, we need to recognize that one of our most cherished tenets of Western freedom makes us totally vulnerable to islam. That is to say, our notion that all are "equal", and that all religions deserve equal protection. This is a noble idea, but our refusal to modify it in the face of islam's putsch will give the enemy the very tools by which he (muhammed) will defeat us.

That's why I've proposed that this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

...must be changed to this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed."

Considering our egalitarian past, it hurts somewhat to entertain even the possibility that such a change to our most fundamental (is that the best word to use in a thread like this?) beliefs is necessary.

But it's becoming a matter of raw survival.

islam is a raging fire that threatens to consume the entire world.
Our only chance is to fight back with a fire of greater intensity.
If we are unwilling to do so, we risk losing our culture, our faiths... and our lives.

I want The West to survive.
How about you?