Why are "conservatives" so in intolerant?

[PaleoConPrep]

Pat Buchanan is anti-semitic.  Sam Francis was an outright racist.   And I can back those accusations up.

They don't dare to question all of the "civil rights" and freedoms that people should have. They have a good view of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.( The 1964 Civil Rights Act was one of the worst laws ever passed in U.S history.

Your further elaboration of one of the tenets of being a neo-con defines you as a racist, too, bub.  No wonder you like Sam Francis.

Did you read what I wrote about why I oppose this "civil rights" stuff you fool?

[sinkspur]

Oh Man! Sinkspur! The Zionists are after me again! LOL! An anti-Semite is someone who hates Jews because they're Jewish. I do not believe that America should support Israel in any way. How does that make me an Anti-Semite? Give me a break guys! Im not against Israels existence, but they MUST.
 take care of themselves. If they can't, it's their own fault. Russell Kirk agreed with me. I'll be applying to colleges in the fall. Here's my list
1. Patrick Henry College
2. Hillsdale College
3. New St. Andrews College
4. Grove City College
5. Hampden-Sydney College.

Buchanan is anti-semitic.  No less an authority than William F. Buckley declared he was back in 1992.  And Sam Francis didn't like Jews or blacks. 

[sinkspur]

Did you read what I wrote about why I oppose this "civil rights" stuff you fool?

You oppose civil rights because you think companies should be able to refuse to hire blacks, or Jews, or Catholics, or women and you hide behind "government power."

That's just friggin' nuts.

[TomSea]

Michael Savage got fed up with Buchanan and I believe called Pat anti-semitic, take that FWIW.

It's a mixed bag; I guess one can take some Buchanan statements out of context to make that point.

[DCPatriot]

See what I mean? There's the intolerance.

 

[PaleoConPrep]

You oppose civil rights because you think companies should be able to refuse to hire blacks, or Jews, or Catholics, or women and you hide behind "government power."

That's just friggin' nuts.

[Personal attack edited]
You're just like a Leftist. puting words in my mouth. Think about this bud. Let's say we repeal ALL "civil rights" laws, as I am proposing. In today's sensitive culture, if a company refused to hire blacks for no reason, it would be boycotted and would die. Blacks and Jews would still be hired, but there'd be no affirmative action. The Feds wouldn't have such power. Barry Goldwater would agree. By the way, Bill Buckley was a dumb NeoCon with a fake accent. He's no authority on anything. All he did was create a magazine.

[sinkspur]

[Personal attack edited]
You're just like a Leftist. puting words in my mouth. Think about this bud. Let's say we repeal ALL "civil rights" laws, as I am proposing. In today's sensitive culture, if a company refused to hire blacks for no reason, it would be boycotted and would die. Blacks and Jews would still be hired, but there'd be no affirmative action. The Feds wouldn't have such power. Barry Goldwater would agree. By the way, Bill Buckley was a dumb NeoCon with a fake accent. He's no authority on anything. All he did was create a magazine.

You're a kid. You have no idea what you're talking about. There are MANY companies who would refuse to hire "those people" if they could get away with it.

Good night. Every time you come back here you make a total fool of yourself.

[PaleoConPrep]

You're a kid. You have no idea what you're talking about. There are MANY companies who would refuse to hire "those people" if they could get away with it.

Good night. Every time you come back here you make a total fool of yourself.

No [edited] you make a fool of yourself. The same talking points every time. Good night [edited].

[sinkspur]

No [edited] you make a fool of yourself. The same talking points every time. Good night [edited].

Yep.  You're a Trumproid, all the way down to using the alt-right term "[edited]."  [Personal insult edited].

[INVAR]

You don't understand what I mean. Tolerance means tat even if you disagree with me, you  see me as a fellow conservative.

On about the same scale that a Southern Baptist views a Jehovah's Witness.

[TomSea]

People, remember, if one starts calling names, personal attacks, the mods step in. One can debate without that.

[Mod2]

Please stop with the personal insults.  As TomSea put it so well, debate can be had without personal insults and attacks.

[RetBobbyMI]

Tolerance in the name of what some in the GOP call "conservatism" is what got us into this mess.  The GOP has been and is still way too tolerant of the liberal left and lets the likes of Obama, Ried and Pilosi run roughshod over this country and turning it into a mess.  Trump, in spite of all his stuck talk, will not change the GOP.  It is a lost cause with or without Trump.  It is past time for this conservative to keep his principles and find a new home like the Constitution Party.

[mirraflake]

Oh Man! Sinkspur! The Zionists are after me again! LOL! An anti-Semite is someone who hates Jews because they're Jewish. I do not believe that America should support Israel in any way. How does that make me an Anti-Semite? Give me a break guys! Im not against Israels existence, but they MUST.
 take care of themselves. If they can't, it's their own fault. Russell Kirk agreed with me. I'll be applying to colleges in the fall. Here's my list
1. Patrick Henry College
2. Hillsdale College
3. New St. Andrews College
4. Grove City College
5. Hampden-Sydney College.

Under your reasoning we should not have supported Britain in 2939i and 1940. Am I correct?

[PaleoConPrep]

Under your reasoning we should not have supported Britain in 2939i and 1940. Am I correct?

2939? And no, we should not have supported Britian.

[PaleoConPrep]

Tolerance in the name of what some in the GOP call "conservatism" is what got us into this mess.  The GOP has been and is still way too tolerant of the liberal left and lets the likes of Obama, Ried and Pilosi run roughshod over this country and turning it into a mess.  Trump, in spite of all his stuck talk, will not change the GOP.  It is a lost cause with or without Trump.  It is past time for this conservative to keep his principles and find a new home like the Constitution Party.

The Constitution Party has pretty much the same positions I do.

[mystery-ak]

When someone makes a personal insult or an attack on another member..please don't quote him/her....because we have to clean up those posts as well.

[roamer_1]

I'm not angry with anyone, and I'm not asking anyone to compromise. I just don't like the way NeoCons think their "conservatism" is the only Conservatism. I'm tired of fake Evangelicals like Ted Cruz pandering to the dumb NeoCon masses. If you want a real conservative Christian, check out Chuck Baldwin. The Constitution Party is Conservatism at its best. Forget the Reoublicrat Party.

The only forms of Conservatism that ARE conservative are Goldwater And Reagan. To my knowledge PaleoConservatism is the NeoCon name for Goldwater.

Cruz was appealing to Reaganite Christians - The Christian Right, which is not to be confused with the liberal Christians that embrace NeoConservatism. You do us a disfavor by concatenating the two.

[roamer_1]

I'll tell you what a NeoCon is, and then I'll tell you how I differ from them.

Holy Wall-of-Text, Batman!

[skeeter]

I'll tell you what a NeoCon is, and then I'll tell you how I differ from them.
A NeoCon is someone who believes in, or supports the following things. (snip)
That's it! If you guys are willing to accept me with my views, I'll hive you the same respect.

A "neocon" - a new conservative - is a democrat (social liberal) who switched parties because they became disenchanted with their party's weak foreign policy. At least this was the original meaning of the term.

I believe this started wholesale during the latter part of Reagan's administration, due in part to the appeal of its muscular foreign policy and also because of the neocon's desire to co-opt its popularity,  and continued under Bush I (all that "Big Tent" BS).

Together with the old Rockefeller wing of the GOP they ended up kind of derailing the Reagan revolution as these folks never really bought into the notion of American exceptionalism, the primacy of the Constitution with its focus on individual sovereignty, and never changed their outlook on the social issues. Instead they saw the US simply as a blunt force instrument by which they could fix problems & inequities they saw abroad.

What you've spelled out are a series of policy beliefs, some held by those calling themselves social conservatives, some by moderates, some by neocons and by liberal republicans. Some by individuals in all groups.

I believe you have misidentified the target group you claim to be in disagreement with.

[mirraflake]

  And no, we should not have supported Britian.

Read up on military and history scholars say on the matter. If we did not help Britain, Germany would have steamrolled or blockaded Britain to surrender. Germany would have controlled all of Western Europe in a short time, probably most of North Africa as well.

Worldwide police state, maybe the Nazies would had the time to develop the a-bomb first.

Sane countries help other like minded democracies when they are attacked.

[mirraflake]

I'll tell you what a NeoCon is, and then I'll tell you how I differ from them.

6. You'll never hear NeoCons talk about birth rates or gender roles( As a strong believer in traditional gender roles, I believe that if a man makes enough money to feed, clothe, and shelter, the family, the place of the woman is in the home taking care of the family, and keeping house.This is WITHOUT EXCEPTION. Men and women have different roles. The man must work, while the woman's  duty is motherhood and housekeeping. I also can't believe that NeoCons never talk about American birth rates.  Contraception killed America. Every family should have as many kids as possible. ( if that means 10 kids, then so be it. They should CERTAINLY have at least 5) Today, most couples get married at an older age than they used to, and usually have at most 3 kids. I here idiots say things like "4 is such a big family" This is shuch BS. And don't tell me "I can't afford it" My Latin teacher is a traditional Catholic, who makes around 75k a year(he's been teaching for a while now) He has 8 kids, and wants more!( he would've had 9, but one of his kids was stillborn) When I asked him how he could afford to pay for so many kids, he sternly admonished me and said " People spend money on al sorts of junk.  Huge TVs, nice cars,  and other crap they don't need. If people stopped being so materialistic, everyone could have a big family" That statement has stuck with me ever since, and from that day I promised myself that I will be like this man. No matter what my economic situation, I will have a large family. NeoCons talk a lot about "family values" but they'll never say what I just said)

Honest question. Does this also pertain to black, Hispanic and Mulim families or just white Christian families?

@PaleoConPrep
@sinkspur

[TomSea]

A "neocon" - a new conservative - is a democrat (social liberal) who switched parties because they became disenchanted with their party's weak foreign policy. At least this was the original meaning of the term.

I believe this started wholesale during the latter part of Reagan's administration, due in part to the appeal of its muscular foreign policy and also because of the neocon's desire to co-opt its popularity,  and continued under Bush I (all that "Big Tent" BS).

Together with the old Rockefeller wing of the GOP they ended up kind of derailing the Reagan revolution as these folks never really bought into the notion of American exceptionalism, the primacy of the Constitution with its focus on individual sovereignty, and never changed their outlook on the social issues. Instead they saw the US simply as a blunt force instrument by which they could fix problems & inequities they saw abroad.

What you've spelled out are a series of policy beliefs, some held by those calling themselves social conservatives, some by moderates, some by neocons and by liberal republicans. Some by individuals in all groups.

I believe you have misidentified the target group you claim to be in disagreement with.

This is largely what I've heard and read.

[RetBobbyMI]

A "neocon" - a new conservative - is a democrat (social liberal) who switched parties because they became disenchanted with their party's weak foreign policy. At least this was the original meaning of the term.

I believe this started wholesale during the latter part of Reagan's administration, due in part to the appeal of its muscular foreign policy and also because of the neocon's desire to co-opt its popularity,  and continued under Bush I (all that "Big Tent" BS).

Together with the old Rockefeller wing of the GOP they ended up kind of derailing the Reagan revolution as these folks never really bought into the notion of American exceptionalism, the primacy of the Constitution with its focus on individual sovereignty, and never changed their outlook on the social issues. Instead they saw the US simply as a blunt force instrument by which they could fix problems & inequities they saw abroad.

What you've spelled out are a series of policy beliefs, some held by those calling themselves social conservatives, some by moderates, some by neocons and by liberal republicans. Some by individuals in all groups.

I believe you have misidentified the target group you claim to be in disagreement with.

Based on THIS definition, I am convinced that is what happened to the GOP.  The Neo-Conservatives drug the party to where it is today, with the likes of Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, Trump and the rest of their GOPe lot.  I'm glad to say I am no longer part of that, since THEY abandoned principles of TRUE constitutional conservatism.

[PaleoConPrep]

Honest question. Does this also pertain to black, Hispanic and Mulim families or just white Christian families?

@PaleoConPrep
@sinkspur

This pertains to everyone, but ESPECIALLY White Christians.