Is It Getting To Be About the Time When the #NeverTrumpers Should Go Radio Silent?

[Sanguine]

Well, at the risk of having burning coals poured on my head, I don't believe Hillary hates America, just like I don't believe Obama hates America.

They just have a different notion of what it means to be American.  It's wrong, terribly wrong.

But this notion of labeling those we disagree with as "haters of America" is why conservatives earn the label of nutcases.

I don't quite agree with that.  The reason they label is as nutcases is because that's what they do.  By saying we are responsible somehow for what they call us is using the same logic that it's our fault that islamists hate us.

[RetBobbyMI]

The arguments that is either Hillary or Trump, a Dem or a GOP, just perpetuates the elitism of the two "major" parties. They cannot afford to let any 3rd, 4th or even 5th party invade their traditional stomping ground.  This is especially true for the GOP.  They will be eternally fractured to admit that another party can pick up the conservative right that they are alienating.  With threats that if you don't support them that you in turn are automatically supporting the left, is just a ploy to retain voters, even if they (the GOP) is a false promise.  They forget history of their foundation.  The GOP rose out of nothing in just one election cycle to claim the White House.  Such a movement can certainly happen again, much against the wishes of the GOP.

[sinkspur]

I don't quite agree with that.  The reason they label is as nutcases is because that's what they do.  By saying we are responsible somehow for what they call us is using the same logic that it's our fault that islamists hate us.

Until I see concrete evidence that someone "hates America," I just think it's disingenuous to accuse them of it.

[sneakypete]

It simply displays a lack of historical context, or the knowledge that the only difference between a communist and a fascist is the degree of nationalism.  Both are left-wing authoritarian forms of socialism.

Close. Communists morph into Fascists because unlike communists,fascists get to flaunt their power and wealth. They don't have to hide it and pretend they live in an apartment with 2 other families,just like everyone else.

It is also true that even thought both are police states,people who are willing to work hard in a fascist state have a much higher standard of living than people in communist states.

I guess you could say the successful ones in a fascist state are more like trustees than the prisoners in "lock down" in the communist state.

[sneakypete]

I don't quite agree with that.  The reason they label is as nutcases is because that's what they do.  By saying we are responsible somehow for what they call us is using the same logic that it's our fault that islamists hate us.

Exactly. The perfect example is the Dims are constantly pointing fingers at conservatives and calling us "racists",when the truth is it was the Dims that wrote and enforced all the racist laws. They didn't even pretend to reject racism until it became obvious that blacks were a substantial voting block they needed to own in order to remain in power.

[Stosh]

Close. Communists morph into Fascists because unlike communists,fascists get to flaunt their power and wealth. They don't have to hide it and pretend they live in an apartment with 2 other families,just like everyone else.

It is also true that even thought both are police states,people who are willing to work hard in a fascist state have a much higher standard of living than people in communist states.

I guess you could say the successful ones in a fascist state are more like trustees than the prisoners in "lock down" in the communist state.

Certainly clears up choice in this election between a communist and a fascist....at least Nevada gives me a choice of "None of the Above"

[Sanguine]

Until I see concrete evidence that someone "hates America," I just think it's disingenuous to accuse them of it.

Well, good grief, Sink, yes, 0bama and Clinton hate the America that we love.  That's why they want to "transform" it.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Until I see concrete evidence that someone "hates America," I just think it's disingenuous to accuse them of it.

This is the standard "conservative pablum" that pretty much standard fare on conservative talk radio and on internet forums like this one. Sometimes it's on the mark, but it's often unconvincing based on evidence. Your average Joe knows that just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they hate America, so they remain unconvinced. Is it any wonder we have only won the popular vote once in 20 years?

This is one reason I don't repeat these unconvincing arguments to relatives when discussing politics with relatives. It just falls flat, and makes you look like you're just mindlessly repeating what the right wing man on the radio said. "Obama hates America" blah blah blah. It falls as flat as Hillary saying that Republicans hate women.

I will say there is plenty of evidence what liberals don't like: white, straight, male, Christian, "cisgendered". Just listen to them for 5 minutes to figure that out.

[Bigun]

Well, good grief, Sink, yes, 0bama and Clinton hate the America that we love.  That's why they want to "transform" it.

I don't know how much more evidence one would need to conclude that Obama hates America! To me that is crystal clear! 

The Clintoons don't hate America they just don't love anything and thus have sold the family jewels for cash!  They are just a pair of soulless grifters who will do anything for money IMHO!

[Bill Cipher]

Yeah, it is.  Time for all of you to have your Trump-iphanies.  Put up or shut up.  You lost, plain and simple.  You need Trump; Trump doesn't need you.

[RetBobbyMI]

Yeah, it is.  Time for all of you to have your Trump-iphanies.  Put up or shut up.  You lost, plain and simple.  You need Trump; Trump doesn't need you.

No one really NEEDS Trump. I certainly don't.  He will only take disaster and turn it into another disaster.  You think he won't follow Chuckie Schumer's lead in the Senate?  Two NY Liberals will unite the UniParty.

[Bill Cipher]

No one really NEEDS Trump. I certainly don't.  He will only take disaster and turn it into another disaster.  You think he won't follow Chuckie Schumer's lead in the Senate?  Two NY Liberals will unite the UniParty.

You need Trump to save you.  To save you from the oncoming blitzkrieg of liberalism.  You hide behind #NeverTrump like the French hid behind the Maginot Line, for all the good it did them.  Trump will make Schumer crawl on his belly in the dust like the serpent he is.  And every other worm in Congress who won't toe the line. 

I guess you just don't want America to be great again. 

[r9etb]

You need Trump to save you.  To save you from the oncoming blitzkrieg of liberalism.  You hide behind #NeverTrump like the French hid behind the Maginot Line, for all the good it did them.  Trump will make Schumer crawl on his belly in the dust like the serpent he is.  And every other worm in Congress who won't toe the line. 

I guess you just don't want America to be great again.

You know what you sound like, right?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

You need Trump to save you.  To save you from the oncoming blitzkrieg of liberalism.  You hide behind #NeverTrump like the French hid behind the Maginot Line, for all the good it did them.  Trump will make Schumer crawl on his belly in the dust like the serpent he is.  And every other worm in Congress who won't toe the line. 

I guess you just don't want America to be great again.

I'm picking up the sarcasm.  ^-^

[RetBobbyMI]

You need Trump to save you.  To save you from the oncoming blitzkrieg of liberalism.  You hide behind #NeverTrump like the French hid behind the Maginot Line, for all the good it did them.  Trump will make Schumer crawl on his belly in the dust like the serpent he is.  And every other worm in Congress who won't toe the line. 

I guess you just don't want America to be great again.

I thought Trump said he wouldn't use Twitter when he's President?  is is that just another false promise?  Twitter is the only way he know to spread his filth.

[Bill Cipher]

I thought Trump said he wouldn't use Twitter when he's President?  is is that just another false promise?  Twitter is the only way he know to spread his filth.

Trump has guts and balls, and his own personal bully pulpit.  He doesn't need Twitter.  He leverages it when it suits his purpose. 

[RetBobbyMI]

Trump has guts and balls, and his own personal bully pulpit.  He doesn't need Twitter.  He leverages it when it suits his purpose.

I think his "guts and balls" got reversed when he was born, hence the Orange tint!

[sneakypete]

Certainly clears up choice in this election between a communist and a fascist....at least Nevada gives me a choice of "None of the Above"

I am eaten alive with envy. That should be a requirement in all the states,with the provision that in ANY election,local,state,or federal,that when the None of the Above box gets the most checks,every party that ran a candidate in that election has to finance another election out of their treasury with no taxpayer money or deductions,with a different candidate.

You can bet your ass that wouldn't have to happen but once before we started getting better candidates.

[sneakypete]

Well, good grief, Sink, yes, 0bama and Clinton hate the America that we love.  That's why they want to "transform" it.

BINGO!

[sneakypete]

Yeah, it is.  Time for all of you to have your Trump-iphanies.  Put up or shut up.  You lost, plain and simple.  You need Trump; Trump doesn't need you.

#Trumpiphany

Trump rules over lower lifeforms

But he just doesn't "rule over lower lifeforms" in a fascist way,does he,Mein Herr?

The hypocrisy on display here by the Trumpettes! is astounding.

[sneakypete]

You know what you sound like, right?

My money is betting he doesn't have the first clue.

Insane people never know they are crazy.

[Relic]

Well, good grief, Sink, yes, 0bama and Clinton hate the America that we love.  That's why they want to "transform" it.

I respectfully, reverently, would like to disagree in the most non threatening way possible.

Of course Hillary loves America, her husband was president, she wants to be president, and she's been an honorable public servant for years.

The same can't be said of Trump.

[roamer_1]

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#TrumpyFanny

[sinkspur]

Trump has guts and balls, and his own personal bully pulpit.  He doesn't need Twitter.  He leverages it when it suits his purpose.

And his followers are all brain-surgeon-types, like Ben Carson:

[sneakypete]

And his followers are all brain-surgeon-types, like Ben Carson:

Frankly,I admire her honestly. She is just saying what so many others think and are too timid to say.