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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/22/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-fundraising.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy

By JONATHAN MARTIN and ALEXANDER BURNSMAY 21, 2016

A powerful array of the Republican Party’s largest financial backers remain deeply resistant to Donald J. Trump’s presidential candidacy, forming a wall of opposition that could make it exceedingly difficult for him to meet his goal of raising $1 billion before the November election.

Interviews and emails with more than 50 of the Republican Party’s largest donors, or their representatives, revealed a measure of contempt and distrust toward their own party’s nominee that is unheard of in modern presidential politics.

More than a dozen of the party’s most reliable individual contributors and wealthy families indicated that they would not give to or raise money for Mr. Trump. This group has contributed a combined $90 million to conservative candidates and causes in the last three federal elections, mainly to “super PACs” dedicated to electing Republican candidates.

Up to this point, Mr. Trump has embraced the hostility of the Republican establishment, goading the party’s angry base with diatribes against wealthy donors who he claimed controlled politicians. And he has succeeded while defying conventions of presidential campaigning, relying on media attention and large rallies to fire up supporters, and funding his operation with a mix of his own money and small-dollar contributions.

But that formula will be tested as he presents himself to a far larger audience of voters. Mr. Trump has turned to the task of winning over elites he once attacked, with some initial success. And he has said he hopes to raise $1 billion, an enormous task given that he named a finance chairman and started scheduling fund-raisers only this month.

Among the party’s biggest financiers disavowing Mr. Trump are Paul E. Singer, a New York investor who has spent at least $28 million for national Republicans since the 2012 election, and Joe Ricketts, the TD Ameritrade founder who with his wife Marlene has spent nearly $30 million over the same period of time, as well as the hedge fund managers William Oberndorf and Seth Klarman, and the Florida hospital executive Mike Fernandez.

“If it is Trump vs. Clinton,” Mr. Oberndorf said, “I will be voting for Hillary.”

The rejection of Mr. Trump among some of the party’s biggest donors and fund-raisers reflects several strains of hostility to his campaign. Donors cited his fickleness on matters of policy and what they saw as an ad hoc populist platform focused on trade protectionism and immigration. Several mentioned Mr. Trump’s own fortune, suggesting that if he was as wealthy as he claimed, then he should not need their assistance.

Among the more than 50 donors contacted, only nine have said unambiguously that they will contribute to Mr. Trump. They include Sheldon G. Adelson, the casino billionaire; the energy executive T. Boone Pickens; Foster Friess, a wealthy mutual fund investor; and Richard H. Roberts, a pharmaceutical executive. Mr. Friess wrote in an email that Mr. Trump deserved credit for inspiring “truckers, farmers, welders, hospitality workers — the people who really make our country function.”

Many more donors declined to reveal their intentions or did not respond to requests for comment, a remarkable silence about the de facto nominee of their party..


Asked how Mr. Trump intended to win over major donors, Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, responded in one sentence. “There is tremendous support for Mr. Trump,” she said.

Mr. Trump has declared that he expects the Republican Party to unite around him, and in recent weeks has made inroads among party leaders who once vowed to oppose him. He delivered a winning performance before lawmakers on Capitol Hill in a whirlwind visit to Washington this month. And polls show the party’s rank and file are beginning to coalesce behind Mr. Trump, and that they want party leaders to do the same.

Some major donors have not explicitly closed the door on helping Mr. Trump, but have set a high bar for him to earn their support, demanding an almost complete makeover of his candidacy and a repudiation of his own inflammatory statements.

“Until we have a better reason to embrace and support the top of the ticket, and see an agenda that is truly an opportunity agenda, then we have lots of other options in which to invest and spend our time helping,” said Betsy DeVos, a Michigan Republican whose family has given nearly $9.5 million over the last three elections to party causes and candidates.

But others simply believe Mr. Trump is unfit to serve in the Oval Office. Michael K. Vlock, a Connecticut investor who has given nearly $5 million to Republicans at the federal level since 2014, said he considered Mr. Trump a dangerous person

“He’s an ignorant, amoral, dishonest and manipulative, misogynistic, philandering, hyper-litigious, isolationist, protectionist blowhard,” Mr. Vlock said.

Mr. Vlock said he might give to Hillary Clinton instead, describing her as “the devil we know.”

“I really believe our republic will survive Hillary,” he said.

At a dinner of the Manhattan Institute in New York earlier this month, Bruce Kovner, a New York-based investor who has given $3.1 million to national Republicans in recent years, argued to a collection of influential conservatives that Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton were both unacceptable choices.

“When I talk to my colleagues and friends in similar positions, they have the same degree of discomfort,” Mr. Kovner said in an interview.

Unless Mr. Trump can win over more benefactors, he is likely to become the first Republican presidential nominee in decades to be heavily outspent by his Democratic opponent, and may find it difficult to pay for both the voter-turnout operations and the paid advertising campaigns that are typically required in a general election. Both President Obama and Mitt Romney raised over $1 billion in 2012, and Mrs. Clinton is expected to exceed that figure easily.

Charles G. and David H. Koch, the country’s two most prolific conservative donors, are not expected to back Mr. Trump, and their advisers have been scathing in private assessments of Mr. Trump’s candidacy and his policy agenda. The Kochs, who command a vast network of conservative donors, have scheduled a conference of their allies in Colorado in late July, where much of their 2016 spending may be determined.

Even among the handful of big donors Mr. Trump has won over, doubts persist about both his abilities as a candidate and the political apparatus supporting him. Mr. Adelson, the most important donor who has endorsed Mr. Trump, has indicated that he will cut big checks to aid his campaign only if there is a credible advocacy group set up for that purpose.

But Mr. Trump still has no sanctioned “super PAC” able to raise unlimited sums to support his campaign. A gathering next month at Mr. Pickens’s Texas ranch that was to be sponsored by one of the pro-Trump groups, Great America PAC, has been called off because Mr. Pickens was not sure he was hosting Mr. Trump’s preferred super PAC.

At a Republican Governors Association donor retreat in New Mexico last week, there was an active debate on the sidelines about whether to support Mr. Trump. Mr. Friess argued that the Supreme Court made it imperative to rally around Mr. Trump.

But Mr. Friess acknowledged in an email that enthusiasm for Mr. Trump was limited among his fellow major donors. If some agreed there was “no sensible choice other than to rally around Trump,” Mr. Friess said, many contributors viewed that prospect with “the same enthusiasm as a root canal.”

Walter Buckley, the founder of a Pennsylvania financial management company, said he decided to support Mr. Trump after Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey endorsed him. Predicting that Mr. Trump would shake up Washington, Mr. Buckley, said, “This political system needs a shaking like it’s probably not had in 100 years.”

But Mr. Buckley, who said he would be willing to contribute to the Trump campaign or to a super PAC supporting him, said he remained upset about Mr. Trump’s mockery of Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, for having been captured in Vietnam. “I don’t think anything that anybody’s ever said on the political front has bothered me more than that,” Mr. Buckley said.
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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 10:48:13 pm »
“He’s an ignorant, amoral, dishonest and manipulative, misogynistic, philandering, hyper-litigious, isolationist, protectionist blowhard,” Mr. Vlock said.

Looks like Trump's gonna have to get out the tin cup at his rallies and collect nickles and dimes from his raving supporters.  Will they put their money in the till for a billionaire?
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2016, 11:02:02 pm »
“He’s an ignorant, amoral, dishonest and manipulative, misogynistic, philandering, hyper-litigious, isolationist, protectionist blowhard,” Mr. Vlock said.

Looks like Trump's gonna have to get out the tin cup at his rallies and collect nickles and dimes from his raving supporters.  Will they put their money in the till for a billionaire?

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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 11:06:19 pm »
“He’s an ignorant, amoral, dishonest and manipulative, misogynistic, philandering, hyper-litigious, isolationist, protectionist blowhard,” Mr. Vlock said.

Looks like Trump's gonna have to get out the tin cup at his rallies and collect nickles and dimes from his raving supporters.  Will they put their money in the till for a billionaire?

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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2016, 12:08:45 am »
They need to concentrate on the House and Senate races.

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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2016, 12:10:53 am »
No biggie see Trump is worth 10 Billion and is self funding.  :whistle:

WHy would he accept dirty donor money like the lying ted? /sarc
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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2016, 12:13:51 am »
No biggie see Trump is worth 10 Billion and is self funding.  :whistle:

WHy would he accept dirty donor money like the lying ted? /sarc

Right.. if Scam Wow does not self fund.. he is the Liar.... The Fraud
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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2016, 12:23:43 am »
Right.. if Scam Wow does not self fund.. he is the Liar.... The Fraud
There is a liar involved. Its #neverTrump and their propaganda sources. See Americans KNOW that a Primary Campaign is not a General Election and never was. So when the Trump haters try to sell this it falls flat. Why? Because there are two separate  campaigns and Trump NEVER promised to self fund the GENERAL election. When one of you can show proof he said that with the term "general" in your proof then you can claim walk back. But as of now its just another made up deception by the Liberal/#neverTrump clan. Just like the rest of their alleged walk-backs that fail when looked at honestly.
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2016, 12:29:22 am »
There is a liar involved. Its #neverTrump and their propaganda sources. See Americans KNOW that a Primary Campaign is not a General Election and never was. So when the Trump haters try to sell this it falls flat. Why? Because there are two separate  campaigns and Trump NEVER promised to self fund the GENERAL election. When one of you can show proof he said that with the term "general" in your proof then you can claim walk back. But as of now its just another made up deception by the Liberal/#neverTrump clan. Just like the rest of their alleged walk-backs that fail when looked at honestly.

Trump did lie about self-funding, but you and your buds don't care.  We know that.

The bigger story is that Trump is going to go begging for money.  Lots of these big guys are not going to pour money down his rat hole. So, he won't have money to spend on ground game or ads.  He figures he doesn't need it, I guess.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2016, 12:37:58 am »
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2016, 12:42:17 am »
Right.. if Scam Wow does not self fund.. he is the Liar.... The Fraud

I thought the same until I did a little bit of research on the issue. It's true that Trump said he'd spend $1 billion to win the presidency, which would logically include the general election because Romney and Obama each spent approximately $1 billion. It is likewise true that Trump said early on - in September 2015, I think - that for the general election he'd depend on the RNC to help him.

Is that a defense of Trump? No. I pride myself on being objective. Those are the facts, sadly.

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2016, 12:45:58 am »
There is a liar involved. Its #neverTrump and their propaganda sources. See Americans KNOW that a Primary Campaign is not a General Election and never was. So when the Trump haters try to sell this it falls flat. Why? Because there are two separate  campaigns and Trump NEVER promised to self fund the GENERAL election. When one of you can show proof he said that with the term "general" in your proof then you can claim walk back. But as of now its just another made up deception by the Liberal/#neverTrump clan. Just like the rest of their alleged walk-backs that fail when looked at honestly.

Stop the spin. The question is not primary vs. general. Trump clearly said he'd self-fund. The question is when did he reverse his position? That would be, approximately, in 09/2015 when he said he'd depend upon on the RNC for the general.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2016, 12:48:01 am »
I thought the same until I did a little bit of research on the issue. It's true that Trump said he'd spend $1 billion to win the presidency, which would logically include the general election because Romney and Obama each spent approximately $1 billion. It is likewise true that Trump said early on - in September 2015, I think - that for the general election he'd depend on the RNC to help him.

Is that a defense of Trump? No. I pride myself on being objective. Those are the facts, sadly.

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Could you provide a link to that September story?
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2016, 12:50:12 am »
Trump did lie about self-funding, but you and your buds don't care.  We know that.

The bigger story is that Trump is going to go begging for money.  Lots of these big guys are not going to pour money down his rat hole. So, he won't have money to spend on ground game or ads.  He figures he doesn't need it, I guess.
Only liar here is #neverTrump claiming a Primary Election is the same as a General Election. Just like all your other "walk-back" lies they require deception.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2016, 12:53:02 am »
I thought the same until I did a little bit of research on the issue. It's true that Trump said he'd spend $1 billion to win the presidency, which would logically include the general election because Romney and Obama each spent approximately $1 billion. It is likewise true that Trump said early on - in September 2015, I think - that for the general election he'd depend on the RNC to help him.

Is that a defense of Trump? No. I pride myself on being objective. Those are the facts, sadly.





Well that was a load of smegma.

Scam Wow has loudly boasted that he was not "Owned" by anyone because he was "self funded'.

Now trump is just another owned politician if he takes a single dime... trump is a lying POS in that case. Like any other politician..particularly the democrat type...  liars/trump/hillary.



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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2016, 12:53:18 am »
Stop the spin. The question is not primary vs. general. Trump clearly said he'd self-fund. The question is when did he reverse his position? That would be, approximately, in 09/2015 when he said he'd depend upon on the RNC for the general.

The issue is the Trump haters claiming Trump promised to self-fund the General Election and then reversed himself. Stop pounding the Table and produce evidence He Promised to self-fund the General Election with the term General in it. Also stop trying to sell a Primary Election is the same as a General Election.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2016, 01:02:47 am »
Could you provide a link to that September story?

Yes, sir.

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Mr. Trump said in an interview that he was prepared to spend $100 million or more to become the Republican nominee and that most of it would go to galvanizing voter support in states with early nominating contests. While he boasted last month that he would spend $1 billion if need be, he said that a realistic amount would be far less and that he would count on the national Republican Party for financial help if he became the nominee.

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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2016, 01:27:19 am »
Yes, sir.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-nomination.html
Uh Oh, there goes the only legit sounding proof #neverTrump had Trump lied about Self-funding.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2016, 01:41:28 am »
Uh Oh, there goes the only legit sounding proof #neverTrump had Trump lied about Self-funding.

You will be correct if Trump continues to shun Super PAC and large-scale donor funding. He has said, clearly, that he will seek, accept, and depend upon RNC funding in the general. He has also said that he is creating a "world-class finance operation." If that operation includes Super PACs, Trump is a liar. Thus far, he has sent cease-and-desist letters to Super PACs who have tried to raise funds on his behalf.

I will note that Lewandowski, in his initial negotiations with Cheri Jacobus, mentioned the Trump Make America Great Again Super PAC. Let's see what he does going forward.
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Re: Key G.O.P. Donors Still Deeply Resist Donald Trump’s Candidacy
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2016, 01:44:19 am »
Yes, sir.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-nomination.html

Thank you for posting that.  I am no Trump fan, but am tired of reading the nonsense about Trump saying he would self fund. It was clear to me that he was talking about the primary.  It was also clear to me that he wasn't really self-funding, he was fronting the money with the idea that money raised during the general would go to repaying him, either fully or partially. 

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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2016, 01:47:52 am »
Thank you for posting that.  I am no Trump fan, but am tired of reading the nonsense about Trump saying he would self fund. It was clear to me that he was talking about the primary.  It was also clear to me that he wasn't really self-funding, he was fronting the money with the idea that money raised during the general would go to repaying him, either fully or partially.

You're welcome. Thus far, he claims that his loans to his campaign are no-interest loans and do not have to be repaid. We'll see if the loans are forgiven.
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